Guns and alchohol consumption - Poll

[jaysouth]

According to some of you alcohol nazis, I can sue my doctor any day for malpractice.

The internist tells me to have ten drinks per week. First choice is red wine, second is beer.

Any of you know something my doctor doesn't?

 

[weisse52]

My, my, my

This was / is a train wreck.

I do not drink and shoot. I have shot and than drank. In my judgement the two do not mix.

I hear the comments about not trusting those that do and not trusting those that do not.

I both cases they have an axe to grind and want to make judgements about the other based upon that belief.

I do not want to be around a drunk / impaired person with a gun, without a gun, in a car, or on foot. We make our decisons and take our chances. It is just too bad when our poor choices result in injury and death to those who did not participate in the process.

BUT, I am sure someone will disagree with this as well...

 

[Guitargod1985]

Taking communion is drinking alcohol.

Well, try telling that to a believer of transubstantiation.

 

[DesertRat]

Ah.... I think prolly 95% of us never shoot and drink at the same time. I enjoy a beer or glass of wine from time-to-time, but never in conjunction with the shooting or handling of firearms.

 

[bear71]

"transubstantiation"

Good $25 word there, GG. I hope you get a Gibson for Christmas!

 

[Ed Ames]

I hear the comments about not trusting those that do and not trusting those that do not.

Actually that's... I was going to say inaccurate but it's actually just wrong.

My own comment is (and was) that I don't trust those who don't trust themselves. Doesn't matter why or about what. I don't trust those who don't trust themselves to own a firearm, I don't trust those who don't trust themselves behind the wheel of a car, I don't trust those who don't trust themselves to drink. I don't think it's all that mysterious a position... who knows you best? You do. If you don't trust yourself, that says worlds about your trustworthiness. If even you can't trust yourself only a fool would trust you.

Participants in this thread break roughly into those who don't trust anyone including themselves (the antis), and those who do trust some people including themselves (the openminded), plus quite a few who see it as a chance to make a joke.

The root of most anti-*anything* arguments is a lack of self trust. If you don't trust yourself with ________ it is very difficult to trust anyone else. The problem is usually simple ignorance... if you've never seen how you behave holding a gun it might be reasonable to mistrust how you'd behave holding a gun. Sometimes, however, it is a psychosis and there isn't much chance of helping those people.

 

[bear71]

Desert Rat -

The title of the thread is "Guns and alcohol consumption".

If you don't condone drinking and shooting vote for the first option. It couldn't be more clear.

 

[Guitargod1985]

Good $25 word there, GG. I hope you get a Gibson for Christmas!

Yeah, I was raised in a Catholic houshold so that whole lexicon has been instilled in me.

I hope I get a Gibson, too. Doubtful, but I want an SG or a Les Paul.

That would be more suitaable for an AA forum.

LOL, you crack me up.

 

[bear71]

Ed Ames for Prez! Another great post. Thanks.

 

[doubleg]

I have been drunk and shot, handled firearms. But being drunk did not effect my ability to be responsible in using them. IMO there are two type of gun handlers, ones who respect guns and their destructive abilities at all times and people who shouldn't have them.

 

[44and45]

Well, demon rum...and other harmful alcohol drinks are the cause of our not getting CCW permits here in Wisconsin.

So think the politicians wisdom that control it ever getting passed. We'll all get liquored up at our local taverns, it'll be like Dodge City or Tombstone again.

We are one of three states that don't support our right to carry...because of our cheese head Wisconsin government.

Jim

I've got a picture on my bedroom wall depicting Jesus Christ turning water into wine, hope its a good Chablis, or red table wine.

 

[bear71]

Look, 44, as a Minnesotan I'm glad you guys can't carry, it'd be like the wild west all over again!!!!!!!

Not...just kidding of course. Saddens me that our friends to the east are denied a simple and reasonable right. Good luck in the future with that.

 

[zxcvbob]

Can you imagine what it would be like after a Packers game?

BTW, Governor Doyle is the main problem, the legislature just doesn't have the balls to override his vetoes (but what do you expect from a legislature)

 

[Vitamin G]

Lump me in with the "Below the Legal Limit" crowd. If you can drive a car after 1 beer, you can protect yourself.

How many of the NEVER MIX people, feel the same way about a glass of wine at a nice italian restaurant with your lady, and then driving her home? Are you going to take a taxi to take your wife out to dinner because you might indulge?
Why is having the ability to protect yourself different than the ability to transport yourself?

 

[Geno]

I don't care that someone has a drink, but not while in possession of a firearm.

Doc2005

 

[44and45]

What do you mean after a Packers game, if we's were allowed to carry doubt the visiting teams would show up after we got liquored up at the tailgate party goers in the parking lot.

Hey, you Minnesotans, we never had no drunken hombres try and rob two banks at the same time...like at Northfield MN, shades of liquored up James and Dalton's gangs. But you lads were pretty good shots as some of them gang bangers stayed behind in pine boxes.

Now such gang bangers as the James & Dalton's only prove that citizens with firearms can protect a community against lawbreakers. (Gov. Doyle take note)

Jim

 

[Eric F]

Oh many a heated battle have been fought here on THR about alcohol and.......pick some thing. What have we learned absolutly nothing but there are some inteligent folks and well some not so much. And a cart load of hardheads with strong oponions but I did like this one

transubstantiation"

Good $25 word there, GG. I hope you get a Gibson for Christmas!

oh by the way where you find 4 Catholics you will likely find a 5th

 

[busy_squirrel]

FTR: I chose option 7

In fact, I know it's unpopular to say, but I'd say that those who treat guns and alcohol as mutually exclusive are basing their actions, at least partly, on fear.

If I avoided alcohol just because I had possesion of a gun (or a car, or a baseball bat, or gallon of bleach, or a length of rope, plastic bag, or anything else that can be used to end a life) then I'd never have any alcohol.

Impairment is a matter of degrees. I'm sure some of you have shot before when you were less than fully alert (maybe you were tired or hungover or on meds or whatever). It's silly to assume that the instant ANY alcohol is in my system that I instantly become a homicidal maniac or that my gun suddenly has magical powers and begins to "go off all by itself".

It's simple. Know your limit. If you're too drunk to be around guns safely, then you're too drunk anyways.

 

[weisse52]

Quote:
I hear the comments about not trusting those that do and not trusting those that do not.

Actually that's... I was going to say inaccurate but it's actually just wrong.

Just wonder how this comment is just wrong?

The only thing I am anti is a person who is not in control of him/herself. Be that drinking, drugs, or just their personal life. My comments relate to anyone who wants to make a judgement on my life based upon some belief they hold as the only way.

 

[Vitamin G]

also, is there a difference to most people between "Drinking and shooting", and "Drinking and continuing to carry"?

To me, one is okay, the other is not.

 

[Ed Ames]

It was wrong because you weren't hearing comments about not trusting those who do or not trusting those who do not. Action (or inaction) wasn't part of the standard of trust...

 

[weisse52]

It was wrong because you weren't hearing comments about not trusting those who do or not trusting those who do not. Action (or inaction) wasn't part of the standard of trust...
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Well,

We will have to agree to disagree on this.

My comments are meant in the broad sense of not accepting "blanket" dismissals of beliefs based upon the actions (or comments) of others

 

[Beowolf1911]

I think a lot of you guys need to relax a bit, everyone has a different limit. some people can have a few drinks and stay exactly the same person, albeit less coordinated, then they are sober. I could tuck my 1911 in my pants spend the evening pounding down my favorite single malt and then go put the gun away, no fuss no muss. Had I the need to use that gun to defend myself I would be useless, so I don't carry when I go out to a bar. But that in no way makes me more dangerous if I drink and carry. On the other hand I know quite a number of angry drunks that shouldn't be in the same room as a gun if they had a few. Different strokes different folks. It is more important to know how you are after a few then worry about other people and what they do.

 

[Jorg Nysgerrig]

It couldn't be more clear.

Actually, it could be. Your poll is terribly written and obviously a source of confusion. In your first option, which most picked, you aren't clear as to what the disgusting habit is. You don't differentiate between getting drinking two six packs and going to shoot clays out of the back of a moving pickup or a guy enjoying a glass of wine while carrying which obviously matters to people. The poll seems to be written to pander to those who don't imbibe and to damn those who do. Even your phrasing colors the poll with your carefully select use of "disgusting". You Throughout this thread, it has become obvious that you are less interested in the topic and more interested in keeping your thread going due to some bizarre sense of pride in having such a long, ongoing thread.

You can claim that it is as clear as day until you turn blue, but in the end, the fact that so many posters don't agree indicates that clear to you obivously isn't clear to them.

 

[Officers'Wife]

Hi Doubleg,

I have been drunk and shot, handled firearms. But being drunk did not effect my ability to be responsible in using them.

I used to have a boyfriend that swore six beers didn't effect his driving either. After him, I don't believe any statements to that effect.

Selena