Guns and alchohol consumption - Poll

[jackmead]

I don't drink, but I've seen a few anti-gun people that know get a little wasted at bars and drive home.

 

[Guitargod1985]

I will not drink until after i'm done shooting and/or cleaning my guns. Remember, people, that the first thing alcohol impairs is judgment - not vison, not balance, but judgment.

That said, I do enjoy a few drinks from time to time. Actually, I'm having a beer right now. But I must agree that alcohol does not mix well with guns (or potato salad). I know some people that I used to work with who go to the range after smoking weed. I highly disapprove of this. Even if you can manage to be as level-headed as you are when you are sober, what happens if an accident occurs and Johnny Law wants to run a blood test for impairment?

 

[Ultrachimp]

don't drink & drive - sorta like don't drink & shoot. both make sense. it's just good gun safety.

 

[Deavis]

I see no poll.

I see loaded questions though, oh wait, I get it. I agree, moral crusading on a subject that die hard innate rights people can actually be hypocritical about. What a joy... yet again.

 

[JerryM]

HI Selena,

I don't really disagree with that post. If one can have a drink and not get drunk or suffer lessened awareness and capabilities, I have no objection.

But guns and alcohol have never "gone together" and still do not. I should not go off topic, but I have always figured if one needs alcohol to feel good then there is something wrong with him, and he should not drink.

Since you did quote Proverbs, I will state that the Bible does not prohibit drinking as long as one is not impaired. But today with all the problems that result from drinking I prefer to abstain, and believe that is the best example.

But to those who think they can drink and carry or handle a gun, they are just an accident waiting to happen. Can't you do without alcohol for a few hours or a day? The one with the poorest judgment as to his degree of impairment is the one drinking.

Regards,
Jerry

 

[Beowolf1911]

I do a Drink and Plink at my back yard range on a pretty regular bassis, no one gets hurt saftey is still there, just not so much accuracy. we get 4 or 5 guys and a case of something good. Relax kick back and have some fun with the .22's one time we tried clay birds bit that is hard with a good buzz going. As long as everyone respects my 3 range rules it is a good time. the rules are 1 be safe, 2 don't shoot anyone, and 3 don't shoot anything glass.

 

[jad0110]

That doesnt look like a poll, it looks like an exercise in self-righteousness.

If I were to humor it, I can't find any answers that fit. Sorry. I'm voting "None of the above"

Yeah, that's what I thought.

I rarely partake of alcohol these days as I CCW 24/7/365 (except at work, I am a Federal employee) and CCW in North Carolina is strictly verboten if you have ANY alcohol in your system.

And I DON'T mix the two.

 

[corncob]

Quote:
I see no poll.
I see loaded questions though, oh wait, I get it. I agree, moral crusading on a subject that die hard innate rights people can actually be hypocritical about. What a joy... yet again.

The first clue was the separation of "alcohol" and "drugs" in the answer choices. I don't trust a teetotaller. The irrational fear of "impairment" is a symptom of something wrong with our culture. Not to mention it helps sell a lot of blood pressure medication, Ritalin, and Prozac. None of us is getting out of this alive--don't take it so serious, people.

"Accidentally" shooting your shooting buddy (or killing someone with your minivan on the highway) is the same (morally AND practically) whether you've had a beer or not. I suspect most of my fellow men walk around all day with impaired judgement--something not having a beer won't help. And remember that it isn't what goes into a man's mouth that makes him unclean..., quoting my all-time personal favorite winebibber.

Cheers to you Second Amendment activists, you lovers of freedom over security!!

 

[jaysouth]

There are skeet and trap clubs that have bars. I have never shot skeet or trap at a club where alcohol was prohibited, and never seen one where shooters didn't drink a beer between rounds.

Wonder why there has never any drunken shootouts at these clubs or obscene number of gun accidents.?

Can anyone cite an alcohol related incident at one of these clubs? Some of you need to lighten up.

 

[bear71]

"And I DON'T mix the two."

You might want to select the first option, your capitalization provides emphasis! We may not have known how passionate you are about it withouth the capitalization.

 

[DontBurnMyFlag]

I never have and never will. If I go to a bar or eating establishment and Im carrying a weapon, I will not touch alcohol. If god forbid, a shooting incident occurs in a bar, I guarantee I would be given an alcohol breath-test. Any drop of alcohol in my system would act negatively in the legal proceedings sure to come.

 

[GeezerwithGuns]

I never even have a beer until the guns are all cleaned and put away.

 

[CAVHOOAH]

Amazing how many NEVER had or have a drink any time around firearms. Im calling BS on half these "never touch it" posts...HA !

 

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

I try to operate as much of my life on logic as possible. Drinking alcohol serves no purpose, and I don't find it enjoyable. So I don't drink at all, much less with guns.

I don't trust a teetotaller. The irrational fear of "impairment" is a symptom of something wrong with our culture.

I don't trust a drinker. The need for mild brain damage causing chemicals in order to have fun is a symptom of something wrong with people.

See how that works? Your opinions are not fact. Not boozing it up to have a good time is not an irrational fear. And the facts of how many problems come from impairment show that it is not an illusion. You don't trust someone because they don't need a chemical shield to protect them from real life? wow.

 

[Officers'Wife]

Hi Jerry,

But to those who think they can drink and carry or handle a gun, they are just an accident waiting to happen. Can't you do without alcohol for a few hours or a day? The one with the poorest judgment as to his degree of impairment is the one drinking.

I agree to that wholeheartly, my disagreement was the blanket statement. Nothing is all good or all bad, it's the person with the finger on the trigger that decides the outcome. Operating any machine, be it firearm, auto or chain saw while drugged - even if the person is 'macho' enough to 'handle it' is an accident looking for a place to happen. But, once the machines are put away for the night, I'll serve the drinks myself. And I make a blackberry wine that has Catholic priests send me Passover cards.

Selena

 

[Biker]

Although I normally carry every moment I'm awake, I put the guns away the moment I start on the acid and heroin - they don't mix well with guns.

Biker...*Burp*

 

[bear71]

"I try to operate as much of my life on logic as possible. Drinking alcohol serves no purpose, and I don't find it enjoyable. So I don't drink at all, much less with guns.


Quote:
I don't trust a teetotaller. The irrational fear of "impairment" is a symptom of something wrong with our culture.

I don't trust a drinker. The need for mild brain damage causing chemicals in order to have fun is a symptom of something wrong with people.

See how that works? Your opinions are not fact. Not boozing it up to have a good time is not an irrational fear. And the facts of how many problems come from impairment show that it is not an illusion."

You have some major issues. Outside of your small circle, the rest of the world drinks. Jesus turned water into wine. How can you not trust Jesus?

 

[zxcvbob]

In my opinion it boils down to this. Should it be considered dangerous or irresponsible behavior for a 300 pound man to handle and discharge a firearm after he's had a 12 ounce can of 3:2 beer (that's the weak stuff in case you don't have it out west).

You should have just said that in the beginning. There's not a single selection in your push poll that matches this. The thread is popular because everybody likes a good train wreck.

In my case, my personal limit is 1 can (bottle) of 5% beer if I'm going to be shooting in the next hour, and 2 cans if I'm going to be driving -- and I don't do either very often at all. I have had a beer a half hour before a bullseye shooting competition once and it didn't affect my score at all. It might be interesting to try target shooting after 2 drinks and see if it makes a difference, but I'd have to violate my rule to do that. (plus I don't want to possibly blow my score)

I'm a big guy and just over 6' 6" tall. I have a high tolerance for alcohol; I am probably minimally "impaired" after 4 or 5 strong beers (just starting to feel it), but I seldom drink that much even when I'm sitting at home watching TV all evening.

 

[bear71]

"Amazing how many NEVER had or have a drink any time around firearms. Im calling BS on half these "never touch it" posts...HA !"

Yep, I'm wondering how many of these people drink the blood of Christ (fermented grapes) at communion on Sunday morning and then commence shooting up hundreds of rounds at the local.

Taking communion is drinking alcohol.

 

[bear71]

Good post, bob. The poll wasn't very scientific and I'm not conducting a study, just wanted to provide as many options as possible to cover most, if not all, situations I could think of.

 

[TheLastBoyScout]

Alcohol OR firearms.

If I'm carrying in public, I'm not drinking.

If I'm at home, my pistol goes upstairs on the dresser before I open the first beer.

By the same token, I see no problem with drinking AFTER a match, provided all weapons are secured and there's a DD.

 

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

"I try to operate as much of my life on logic as possible. Drinking alcohol serves no purpose, and I don't find it enjoyable. So I don't drink at all, much less with guns.

I don't trust a teetotaller. The irrational fear of "impairment" is a symptom of something wrong with our culture.

I don't trust a drinker. The need for mild brain damage causing chemicals in order to have fun is a symptom of something wrong with people.

See how that works? Your opinions are not fact. Not boozing it up to have a good time is not an irrational fear. And the facts of how many problems come from impairment show that it is not an illusion."

You have some major issues. Outside of your small circle, the rest of the world drinks. Jesus turned water into wine. How can you not trust Jesus?

Consider reading all of the post next time. I was pointing out that him not trusting someone who doesn't drink is just an opinionated, and not based in fact as me saying the same thing about him. He claims that not drinking MUST be based off "irrational fear". He is about as wrong as a human being can be wrong about anything. And you only calling me out for unsubstantiated claims (that were just made to show flaws in an argument, no less) and not the guy who made the first erroneous remark is highly questionable itself.

 

[bear71]

Sorry, I had a difficult time discerning what you were saying and interpreted in erroneously.

 

[JerryM]

HI Selena,

It is of interest, however, that the same passage says that wine is not for kings. Some people have too much responsibility to risk a reduction in mental abilities for decision making. Most ignore it however in my observation.

We are not kings, but have a great responsibility when carrying. Too much to drinik and carry.
I suspect you don't disagree.

I am going to let this go so all,
MERRY CHRISTMAS.

Regards,
Jerry

 

[Eric F]

There are skeet and trap clubs that have bars. I have never shot skeet or trap at a club where alcohol was prohibited, and never seen one where shooters didn't drink a beer between rounds.

Wonder why there has never any drunken shootouts at these clubs or obscene number of gun accidents.?

Thats because you have crossed into a higher more educated class of redneck