Here we go again. Hooters bans CHL .

[Bill Hook]

Too bad that a GRAMMAR CHECKER is also a good idea. Unfortunately, most really botch the syntax.


As to Hooters, the food is tertiary (even quaternary) as most customers are there to get their fill of T&A, then booze. I've had some wings a from there a couple times, which was enough for me.

 

[V-fib]

Mpayne that’s: ignorant

 

[t-stox]

oh my GAWD! try bringing a pistol into a bar in NY and its a class b felony.(im from L.I.) You do it in texas and they say sorry you gotta go home?! I hope you F-ing cowboys appreciate your freedom! Or me and whiney Schumer will take it away! as to Hooters-- maybe it's a non-ocean place (texas) thing but, why pay through the wazoo for crappy food and beer to look at T&A when you can go to the beach and see the same T&A for free?

 

[fivepaknh]

Well I’m not going to get on my high horse and trash the theme of this restaurant. I happen to like beer, buffalo wings and pretty, well endowed women. Though when they stomp on my second amendment rights that’s a different story. These restaurants might be individually owned, but they carry the name Hooters, and the corporate office could apply pressure to this one location for shedding them in a bad light.

 

[Orthonym]

Maybe sober people should be allowed, or even required, to carry firearms in places where everyone else is drinking.

 

[MissileCop]

Maybe Mr. Gessner should be politely reminded of Luby's Cafeteria.

After all, all of their patrons were unarmed, and look what happened to them.

Hmmmm....(evil thoughts running rampant ) maybe I should send him a t-shirt that says "A gun free zone is a victim rich environment"

 

[Thumper]

maybe it's a non-ocean place (texas)

You have a very interesting take on geography. Remember, maps can be your friend.

Anyway, how about we spend less time discussing the merits of Hooters and more time writing emails. By this time in the "Appleby's" thread, we already had them begging our forgiveness.

Send your emails to this guy, please.

Mpayne...I agree.

 

[foghornl]

I can count on less than 2 fingers the times I have been inside the local Hooters.

However, I have driven through the lot a few times on Thursday evenings (Biker Nite) Don't ride anymore, but lotza flashy moto's

 

[MacPelto]

Each Hooters is an independently owned franchise.

In this case it looks like Texas Wings has a franchise on several locations.

So let't not blame the entire chain for the moronic actions of a few.

This is true. However, getting the corporate bigwigs involved is the single best way to put pressure on the local franchise. Local franchises answer to the corporation, and letting the corp. know that ALL of their locations will start losing money will definitely get a response. If you remember the Applebee's thing, you may remember sending emails to the corporate HQ as well as the local restaraunt. With this in mind -

http://www.hootershotline.com/contact.asp

[email protected]

You don't have to live in TX to put pressure on this franchise holder! Concievably, your email will have more weight if you DON'T live here, since Hooters HQ will see it as widespread, not as a local deviance. It's worth a 2 minute email, no?

 

[HankB]

Hmmm . . . so Hooter's did it for safety purposes? Presumably on the advice of counsel?

Perhaps a letter thanking John B. Gessner, General Counsel,
Texas Wings, Inc. for accepting personal, individual, liability for the safety of patrons his recommended policy has disarmed would be in order?

Along with an inquiry as to the amount of personal liability insurance he carries?

 

[bogie]

If Hooters is a strip joint, then it's the tamest strip joint I've _ever_ seen.

They do have decent burgers, and they keep their beer cold. I'll grouch at 'em.

 

[Daniel T]

but, why pay through the wazoo for crappy food and beer to look at T&A when you can go to the beach and see the same T&A for free?

Because I don't like sand in my wings and beer?

Question: Is Hooter's displaying a "No Guns" sign or a 30.06 sign? There is an important difference.

Regardless, I'll be making my displeasure known.

 

[cordex]

Done.
Don't go there myself, but added my voice.

Mr. Gessner,
An associate living in Texas has informed me that Hooters restaurants owned by Texas Wings in his area have put up signs prohibiting law-abiding customers from carrying concealed weapons for self protection while dining in your restaurants. If this is a so-called "30-06" sign which prohibits carrying handguns into a business that makes 51% or more of their profits from alcoholic beverages, I can understand that you are simply following state law. If, on the other hand, this is simply an arbitrary decision to prohibit certain people from visiting your location, I would like to ensure you are aware of my objection.

I have some questions for you on this subject.
1. Is this policy intended to have any effect on franchises outside of Texas or not owned by Texas Wings?
2. Does Hooters (or Texas Wings) take legal responsibility for the safety of its disarmed customers while they are dining there? What provisions are taken to ensure this safety?
3. Is it the belief of your company that someone who has passed State and Federal background checks, and follow the laws that govern them are a threat to other customers or employees?

I'm saddened that you no longer wish to do business with myself or a large group of law-abiding and responsible citizens, but I will respect your decision to refuse my patronage for whatever reason. I'm also offended that you would imply that because I choose to take responsibility for my own safety I am a threat to your employees or customers. Until and unless these signs are removed, I'll find somewhere else to spend my money. Moreover, unless I can determine that I am welcome at a specific location, I will avoid Hooters restaurants in general.

I am also forwarding a copy of this email to Hooters Corporate.
Thank you,
Ben Swenson

(Recycle!)

 

[Deepdiver]

Pesonally, I dont much care what kind of sign folks hang outside their place. I carried for 30 years before there was any CCW, and I will continue to be the one that sets my agenda, and the one that makes the call on what I feel is prudent or not.

..Mannlicher, you have echo'd my sentiments exactly!! Well said!

besides, I have only been to a hooters once, and the food sucked, and the service stunk. I wouldn't go back even if they hung a "Welcome CCW's" sign on the front door.

 

[TonyB]

That's why it's called CONCEALED!!!
or just skip Hooters all together...like me.

 

[hops]

I wonder if their concern in regard to CCW and Alcoholic beverages also applies to Drivers License holders with car keys and the consumption of same beverages at their establishments?

Hmmm. Maybe I'all ask them...

 

[Vic303]

Let's all include a TSRA "no gun=no $" card in our letters--btw, mailed letters usually have a greater impact than emails.

 

[bogie]

Hey, if they hear the _right_ message from enough folks - Remember to keep pressure on their corporate folks too - not just the fellow in Texas...

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I've always liked Hooters - good food, cold beer, hot wings, not to mention my abiding affection for owls - in general a fun place.

But I won't be back.

At least until your restaurants remove the "no concealed weapons" signs. All this sign does is bar lawful permit holders, who are literally certified by law enforcement as being responsible adults with no criminal records, from entry. The sign will do nothing to bar criminals who, being criminals, won't pay attention to it anyway. Can you attest that all of your employees, from CEO on down to that fellow who wrestles around with those big bowls of wings, can prove that they're not criminals?

I'm in St. Louis, and we're currently in a legal battle to join the other 44 states, including Florida and Texas, who allow civilian concealed carry. These other states haven't had problems with civilian concealed carry, and I'm confident that Missouri will be no different. I don't mind if a Hooters is in the position of having 51% of its income from alcohol - that's the law, and should I decide to eat there, I won't have a problem with leaving a lawfully carried firearm in my automobile (after all, that's the 51/49 rule), but the moment that you decide _on your own_ that my business is not welcome, hey - I can find good food elsewhere. Granted, I may have to make a few compromises regarding wings, breasts (grin), etc., but that's the way it is. My personal safety, and the safety of my friends and family, is more important. When you put up one of those signs, you are announcing to the world that your restaurant, and the patrons, are easy targets for criminals. Are you prepared to increase security, both in restaurants and in parking lots?

While not a "regular," I am likely very representative of your target demographic. I'm the bachelor from hell, and regularly eat at local restaurants, Hooters prominently among them, often with friends who live nearby, anything from wings on, and until I hear differently, we'll likely be driving past Hooters to others who welcome our business.

Chuck Bogardus

 

[Silver Bullet]

Maybe they could distinguish the restaurants that accept guns by changing the name to SHOOTERS.

 

[bogie]

Bumpage, folks - Let's keep this active, and flood their mailboxes...

 

[sm]

cordex, hope you don't mind , but I mirrored your letter and used it.
Neve been in Hooter's...I have been in joints on Harry Hines Blvd tho's many years ago oops
Though I dont' drink, I don't have a problem eating in place that serves alcohol, I have friends that drink, hey If I'm driving I usually get my tea/coffee free.
In AR we finally changed our CCW to allow carry in restuarants that serve drinks.

Then again there was a time a pc of paper wasn't even needed, here, TX, most places...concealed is concealed. In Houston on business with some LEO asked if I was carrying, I didn't answer, we walked into the bar, got a cheeseburger talked about case. His theory was, concealed was concealed ,just a couple of guys having a meal, shooting pool in jeans...waiting for another LEO so...

If I'm a BG I now know I can rob a guy and or ( family) because he can't carry, if with his buds he has other things on his mind, or the wife is gonna raise cain when he gets home...great, condition white, unarmed...perfect place for a BG to be waiting. Maybe Hooters will pick up the tab when he sues...

 

[cordex]

re1973,
That's fine. It was a slightly adapted version of the letter I posted to the Steak 'n Shake thread.

You did change the name, didn't you? *grin*

 

[auschip]

Other then the first letter, has anyone received an answer? I requested a list of all the Hooters (is the plural of Hooters Hooti?), they manage so I could make sure and respect their wishes and not dine in those areas.

Jsalcedo, how long did it take for them to get back to you the first time?

 

[sm]

cordex;
nah, figured I might need a alias someday

Yes I changed it a bit and used my name, thank you for allowing me to do so without permisson.

ps, you "might" be getting the fall catatog from LLBean tho'...

 

[JJohnston015]

This Hooters talk reminds me of a joke

The Three Great Truths of Religion:

1. Jews do not recognize Jesus as the Son of God

2. Protestants do not recognize the Pope as the leader of the Christian church

3. Baptists do not recognize each other at the liquor store or at Hooters


Just a joke...