Here we go again. Hooters bans CHL .

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I'm a Gen X guy and how can you not like

Cold Expensive Beer, Hot Wings, Burgers, fried shrimp, and at my local hooters young friendly girls mostly in college.
 
In Washington State, Hooters is OK for CPL since it is primarily a food establishment that also sells beer. No hard liquor sold in Hooters up here.

Washington law states that you can't carry into;

RCW 9.41.300 (1) (d) That portion of an establishment classified by the state liquor control board as off-limits to persons under twenty-one years of age.

Since Hooters is a "Family" establishment my 15 year old son and 17 year old daughter can go anywhere they please inside Hooters in pursuit of Wings, Burgers and Baseball.

There are none of those silly "Gun Free Zone" signs up here but then I don't think they can. I don't know the politics of the local owners/operators up here but perhaps y'all could sayin your letters to the HQ that there has been no problems in any of the Hooters in Seattle, Washington where decents folks with CPL are free to dine at will.

As for me I am writing to HQ and asking them what the difference is between a law abiding citizen in Washington State as opposed to a law abiding citizen in Texas. (No wise cracks y'all :neener: )
 
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We should all inform Hooters that if any of us or our loved ones are injured or killed while dining in their restaurants because we are unable to defend ourselves that they will have a huge lawsuit on their hands for intentionally making us vulnerable to the criminal element.
 
Texas Wings is the corporation that owns all the Hooter's franchises in Texas. No corporate stores here. There is another large franchise in Louisville, Ky., RMD, who own the stores in Oh, In., Ky, and Tn.

I was at Hooter's for lunch Tuesday in Austin, will be again on Thursday, and there was no 30.06 sign. I was at two different stores in San Antonio a week and a half ago and there were no signs. The Texas Hooter's DO have a no guns sign up that would apply to unlicensed possession, but nothing against licensed carry. A 30.06 sign in the Lewisville store would be unusual. I have a friend here whose last day at the Austin Riverside store is 11/7 and she is starting at the Addison store, which, like Lewisville, is in the Dallas area and I will have her check. I have never seen a 30.06 sign in any Hooter's.

I was at the Indianapolis Speedway store on Friday and Saturday and there were no signs.
 
Hooters Arlington (Collins), Grapevine and Irving have the "no unlicensed" sign up, which I presume means "licensed welcomed".

Haven't seen a 30.06 in the mid-cities but haven't made a point of searching it out.
 
I know the guys who ARE RMD and they're very nice guys. I used to do work for/with them

I have carried into several of their restaurants (they also own some restaurants other than Hooters) and I have never heard any anti-gun statements from them.

In fact my genuine, well made, wooden Hooters tall stool is one of the things that I brought from KY to WA when I moved. (It was a gift)
 
I carried in the Hooters in Louisville, KY (Preston HWY location) and did not notice any signs. - it was about a month ago.

FWIW
Logistar
 
No offense intended but many people feel that Hooters is just a white trash establishment that people shouldn't be going to anyway. It is the WWF of restaurant chains.


When I did my 2nd amendment radio show a couple of years back, there was a Hooters down the street from the station that we frequented after the 6pm end of show.

It gave me an opportunity to explain what I did and ended up giving several of the girls classes on shooting and cwp.
Because of their good looks and the way they dressed, some were being followed and others had abusive boyfriends.

Most were earning money to buy a house or working for college money.

Food was always good and most of the resturant patrons were dressed in suits.

This is not a morality issue which some expressed. Its a CCW issue.

Like a wise preacher once said, you don't save souls preaching to the choir.
 
I recieved an generic e-mail in regards to the letter i sent them.

Dear Mr./Ms./Dr. [Last Name]:

We at the Hooters Hotline received your comments today regarding the
poor quality of service you experienced at our restaurant in (City),
(State), on (Date). We genuinely apologize for the dissatisfaction your
Hooters visit caused and appreciate your taking the time to write us.
Feedback such as yours helps us identify ways to improve in our continuous
quest to deliver the ultimate Hooters guest experience.

In order to address your issue(s) thoroughly, we have forwarded your
comments to Hooters of America's headquarters for direct follow-up with
you. Our desire is to make Hooters once again your choice for terrific
food, beverages, and fun.

Thank you, (Mr./Ms.) [Last Name], for sharing your comments. We
apologize again and look forward to serving you in the future.

Should you like more information about us, please visit us on the Web
at www.hootersofamerica.com.

Sincerely,

Rasheedah
Hooters Hotline...We give a Hoot!

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I went to the Austin Riverside store today, a Texas Wings store, no 30.06 sign. I will try to hit Lewisville on Sunday night, I find it odd that only one store in the entire Texas Wings organization would be posted. None of the corporate stores nor the 7 RMD stores I have been to have ever been posted either.
 
Got a response - they're on the "do not eat at" list as of now...

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In that case, I will no longer be patronizing your restaurants. That is my choice.

You obviously do not respect, or value, us very much. Since I value my safety, I avoid businesses which advertise that their patrons are disarmed - these businesses, and anyone seen entering or exiting, are easy targets for robberies, attacks, etc., by the very people who choose not to pay attention to the signs - criminals.

I suspect that it is actually the criminals, the people who cannot pass the background checks required to receive a concealed weapons permit, who you are concerned about. If it'd make you feel better, why not just put up a sign that says that _illegally_ concealed weapons are not permitted? It'll have the same bottom line effect, but it won't alienate those of us who are NOT criminals.

If you actually think that a sign makes a difference in safety, next time you're on an interstate, drive the speed limit, and count the number of cars that pass you.

Looking back at the past year's receipts, I eat out way too much - probably over $100/week. Given your current policies, that $100 will no longer be spent at Hooter's.

-----Original Message-----
From: Hooters Support <[email protected]>
Sent: Nov 3, 2003 3:44 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Signage

Dear Mr. Bogardus:

We at the Hooters Hotline received your comments today regarding our concealed weapons policy. Thank you for taking the time to send us your comments. Guest feedback is always welcome at Hooters.

In areas where concealed weapons are allowed, we do post a sign that says firearms and other weapons are not permitted on the premises. Thankfully, it is a choice we have the freedom to make. We respect those customers who decide not to patronize our business because of this decision.

We do hope that this information is helpful. However, if you would like more information about us, please visit us on the Web at www.hootersofamerica.com.

Thanks so much for writing, Mr. Bogardus. We appreciate your interest and look forward to seeing you in one of our neighborhood restaurants soon.

Sincerely,

Stephen
Hooters Hotline...We give a Hoot!

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-----Original Message-----


From: [email protected]
Sent: 10/29/2003 2:30:35 PM
To: "Good Answer" <[email protected]>
Subject: Signage



Alexis Aleshire
Marketing
Hooters of America
1815 The Exchange
Atlanta, GA 30339


-----Original Message-----
From: bogie [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 12:27 PM
To: [email protected]
Cc: Alexis Aleshire
Subject: Signage


I've always liked Hooters - good food, cold beer, hot wings, not to mention my abiding affection for owls - in general a fun place.

But I won't be back.

At least until your restaurants remove the "no concealed weapons" signs. All this sign does is bar lawful permit holders, who are literally certified by law enforcement as being responsible adults with no criminal records, from entry. The sign will do nothing to bar criminals who, being criminals, won't pay attention to it anyway. Can you attest that all of your employees, from CEO on down to that fellow who wrestles around with those big bowls of wings, can prove that they're not criminals?

I'm in St. Louis, and we're currently in a legal battle to join the other 44 states, including Florida and Texas, who allow civilian concealed carry. These other states haven't had problems with civilian concealed carry, and I'm confident that Missouri will be no different. I don't mind if a Hooters is in the position of having 51% of its income from alcohol - that's the law, and should I decide to eat there, I won't have a problem with leaving a lawfully carried firearm in my automobile (after all, that's the 51/49 rule), but the moment that you decide _on your own_ that my business is not welcome, hey - I can find good food elsewhere. Granted, I may have to make a few compromises regarding wings, breasts (grin), etc., but that's the way it is. My personal safety, and the safety of my friends and family, is more important. When you put up one of those signs, you are announcing to the world that your restaurant, and the patrons, are easy targets for criminals. Are you prepared to increase security, both in restaurants and in parking lots?

While not a "regular," I am likely very representative of your target demographic. I'm the bachelor from hell, and regularly eat at local restaurants, Hooters prominently among them, often with friends who live nearby, anything from wings on, and until I hear differently, we'll likely be driving past Hooters to others who welcome our business.

Chuck Bogardus
 
Bogie, wow, he blew you off as a customer without any concern whatsoever.

Jeff OTMG, are you still going to claim that they don't have an anti policy?
 
Yup. Got the same message as Bogie.

As with Steak 'n Shake, I replied that they hadn't answered some of my questions and listed 'em. We'll see how they respond to that.
Thankfully, it is a choice we have the freedom to make. We respect those customers who decide not to patronize our business because of this decision.
Very, very accurate.
Count me as one of the latter.
 
Guys, this is all the more reason to e-mail these folks, and let 'em know that they're screwing up.

I don't care if you'll never set foot in one. I don't care if you can't legally enter any place in your state that serves so much as a drop of beer while CCWing. I don't care if you don't like their food, their attitude, their "costumes," or even their owls...

I also don't care if you're a duck hunter, a once-a-year deer hunter, or if you just want to have your grandpop's 85 year old .32 revolver in your nightstand for protection.

I don't care if you just shoot paper, or just hunt, or wouldn't lower yourself to shooting anything less than a $10K skeet gun at your sporting clays.

This isn't about my state, your state, or any particular state. It isn't about any particular restaurant. It's about rights, and about a group of people being singled out, and treated as criminals.

You're next.
 
You are apparently in contact with Hooter's of North America. This thread is about the policy of Texas Wings. In Texas it is legal to carry a rifle, shotgun, SBS, SBR, AOW, or machine gun, loaded or empty, open or concealed, in Texas. It is NOT legal to do so in a place that sells alcohol, whether it be for on premises consumption or not. Sign or not, it isn't legal.

If you have a CHL for a handgun you may carry into those places unless they derive 51% or more from sales of alcohol for on premises consumption or have a valid 30.06 sign posted. jsalcedo started this thread and has not returned for nearly a week and he never said that they had a 30.06 sign posted.

I have been to corporate stores in Oklahoma as well and they have no gun prohibited signs posted. I will go check again this coming weekend.

In Texas putting up a 30.06 sign is the kiss of death to your business. My son worked for Blockbuster and his store saw a noticable drop in revenue when the signs went up. He knew what the problem was. When the signs came down, revenues returned. In Texas the same thing happened at Target and JC Penny.
 
Well, I remember a few years back the Pastor at our church in Lewisville throwing a hissy fit over Hooters coming to town. Being forty-something and never having been to one, I went by for lunch one day just to see what the big deal fuss was over ... Pretty nice "scenery" I guess, but I was not necessarily impressed with the food. 'Guess I musta needed more than just that one beer. ;)

Anyhoo, I went home and told The Wife I'd seen enough to believe that Brother Ben would probably have a heart attack on the spot if he ever went a little further down the road and saw some real "exploitation of young women". But, I determined some years ago that a man does not really need to frequent places like that ... However, since I only live about 10 miles from the Hooters in question, I might just need to swing by there for lunch one day this week - to examine some signs of course. :D
 
In the e'mail from Stephen to bogie;
In areas where concealed weapons are allowed, we do post a sign that says firearms and other weapons are not permitted on the premises.

Is it me or is that a coflicting statement.

In the areas where they are allowed we post a sign saying it's not allowed.





I know what he was trying to say, but he didn't say it well.:neener:
 
jsalcedo started this thread and has not returned for nearly a week

Sorry guys busy week, The Texas state rifle association has posted the info on their site about the policies of these particular stores.

I figured since we did such a good job with Applebees Texas wings could use a dose of our medicine.

Thanks all and keep those Emails rolling.
 
Ok, here is the scoop...

I went to the Hooter's in Lewisville this evening. There are two official signs that talk about unlicensed carry being a felony.... bla, bla. bla.

Below those two signs is an orange sign with large black lettering stating that handguns are not permitted. It is not a 30.06 sign. No "Pursuant to section 30.06..." language at all.

So............................ Without legal signage, looks like CHL holders can carry there as we are licensed to carry.

BTW, I left my CW in the car locked up just in case the signage was proper. And, no, I didn't go back and get it before entering. But, next time, I won't have to worry about it. I'll walk right in!

Scott
 
txgolfer45,
Okay, so you could walk in with your piece, but ... why support someone who doesn't want you to defend yourself?
 
I had a craving for some wings... We have a WingStop near my house, but the scenery isn't as nice.

Scott
 
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