fallout mike
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Calgunfan, u r really sounding like an anti even though u say u r not.
Guy open carries an AK, stopped breifly by cops.
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Cal-gun Fan
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If I do, I apologize. I am not anti-gun, or anti gun rights. I love guns, they're a big hobby of mine even early on. I hate the idea of them being taken away from me or anyone else without proper cause. The issue I have is that people assume it is a god-given right to walk down the street with an AK-47, because whatever people may say, that is just irresponsible and paints reasonable gun owners in a bad light. As for the inherent/god-given rights issue, I suppose that I have my beliefs about the subject that at times I may get carried away with and that make me seem anti. So I guess you just have to take my word that I am not.
Cal-gun Fan
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I messaged him and asked and he said
"I was wrongfully denied. They denied me saying I was a felon. But that is clearly not the case."
He did also say that he had purchased firearms after being denied a CPL without issue too. It sounds like he has reason to be annoyed over the denial, I know I would be!
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I have to admit, I read the first two pages of postings and skipped to this page to post so this might not be in the same grain but it does make you think.
I was headed to the gunshop one day last year to have some measurements done and some other stuff which necessitated me taking my rifle. So, as luck would have it, I'm driving along the road and the truck just shut off... click, just like that... (later found a defective condensor under the distributor cap that shorted out and killed the ignition) so instead of leaving my rifle in the truck for someone to steal, I hit the sidewalk and packing my rifle, walked the three blocks to the shop and finished my business there. So... in the same situation as the OP, I was packin too and I never got a second look (That I could tell) from anyone along the way. I did see a CHP and a local LEO pass me but they never stopped to check me out or anything. Guess I didn't look suspecious enough. So... There's a situation that was similiar and I think i handled it well and responsible and the gun was out in the open and not in a case so they knew very well what it was.
Would it happen like that again, maybe, maybe not... and I live in California... certainly not as gun positive as some states are.
I was headed to the gunshop one day last year to have some measurements done and some other stuff which necessitated me taking my rifle. So, as luck would have it, I'm driving along the road and the truck just shut off... click, just like that... (later found a defective condensor under the distributor cap that shorted out and killed the ignition) so instead of leaving my rifle in the truck for someone to steal, I hit the sidewalk and packing my rifle, walked the three blocks to the shop and finished my business there. So... in the same situation as the OP, I was packin too and I never got a second look (That I could tell) from anyone along the way. I did see a CHP and a local LEO pass me but they never stopped to check me out or anything. Guess I didn't look suspecious enough. So... There's a situation that was similiar and I think i handled it well and responsible and the gun was out in the open and not in a case so they knew very well what it was.
Would it happen like that again, maybe, maybe not... and I live in California... certainly not as gun positive as some states are.
General Geoff
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Every man, woman and child on the planet has the right to keep and bear arms. It just happens that most governments infringe heavily on said right.
And before anyone gets all uppity on me for including all children of any age, remember that until the age of legal majority, parents have the responsibility of doling out rights to their progeny as they see fit. Therefore, while every three year old has a right to keep and bear arms, they are generally not yet capable of the responsibility required to exercise that right. So their parents retain the power to restrict free exercise thereof, until the child is legally responsible for him or herself.
I think this guy is commical at best and worst he really hurts the cause he attempts to champion. Wait until there is a mass shooting in his state then a few of his type guys go flaunting it. Give all the ammunition to the antis to get the votes to repeal that open carry. As for me, as 2A friendly as I am, I see some guy open carrying a rifle, Im going to be on high alert and give the guy a once over, and look behind my shoulder after passing him. Just natural reaction. I don't see any reason anyone wants to carry a rifle in a city environment. If I meet him out in the woods, I will still give him the once over and be alert, but as you might imagine, I'll be way more at ease. If you see a guy in heavy coat in the summer, it triggers a reaction and some vexing questions in your mind doesn't it?
Now imagine this same guy walking down main street like this with a Bin Laden beard...
Try lying to us you will be calm and unmoved ha ha.
Now imagine this same guy walking down main street like this with a Bin Laden beard...
Try lying to us you will be calm and unmoved ha ha.
toivo
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Houghton is in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, which is definitely northwoods outdoorsman territory. (I was born just across the Portage in Hancock and spent the first eight years of my life just down the road from there, but that was a long time ago.) Houghton is a small town. It's also a college town, home of Michigan Tech, which actually has a rifle team:
http://mtucrt.students.mtu.edu/index.php
The gist is that a guy walking down the street with a rifle is not nearly as big a deal there as it might be in a comparable town in California or Massachusetts, say.
I have mixed feelings about this guy. Yes, he's within his rights, but provoking confrontations like this probably does more harm than good. I actually have more of a problem with this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKZvUuYfd34
Go ahead and break all the safety rules you want when you're home alone. Just don't post videos of it on YouTube to be emulated by idiots all across the country.
http://mtucrt.students.mtu.edu/index.php
The gist is that a guy walking down the street with a rifle is not nearly as big a deal there as it might be in a comparable town in California or Massachusetts, say.
I have mixed feelings about this guy. Yes, he's within his rights, but provoking confrontations like this probably does more harm than good. I actually have more of a problem with this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKZvUuYfd34
Go ahead and break all the safety rules you want when you're home alone. Just don't post videos of it on YouTube to be emulated by idiots all across the country.
I have friends im trying to win over to our side, so I ask, how is this helping our cause?
I think we should save open carry for when we need it - like after a disaster, either man made or otherwise.
And come on, at least carry something that the good guys use...
I think we should save open carry for when we need it - like after a disaster, either man made or otherwise.
And come on, at least carry something that the good guys use...
SharpsDressedMan
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"Anyways... I don't know, but not all places in the US are shall issue. In my state some CLEOs just won't issue CCLs to a mere citizen" .......... This may be the whole point. If a local government WON'T issue, then let them suffer a legitimate citizen packing an AK in plain view. If they do not want the alarm of man with an AK, then maybe they WILL issue a CCW license.
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Great we have posters here who believe acting like an idiot or ass hat is grounds for arrest or ride in the back. Not much different from getting the same treatment for being Cathloic or black in the South about 50 years ago. Since the Constitution has reared its ugly head in this discussion lets just say I like to pursue happiness by being the village idiot or ass hat. I may find your pursuit of happiness makes you an idiot or ass hat.
Again just because your strap on a gun and pin on the badge doesnt mean you automatically get respect. Act like a jerk or do the macho flex your muscles moron cop routine and you get the attitude you deserve. Respect is mutal not exclusive to a fool with a gun or badge.
When I used to live in Fairfax County back several years ago and was still in the USN I let my girlfirend's teenage daughter drive my BMW M3. It is a one and only in color on the BMW individual program with a cloth interior. Only one like it on the planet. So she is driving and flashing red lights appear in the mirror. She pulls over. She wasn't speeding yet and didnt violate any laws. Officer was white. She is African American. I just slouched down in the passenger seat. He asked for license and registration. I said why. He said he had a report the car was stolen. I said I dont <deleted> think so since I am the owner. I asked if she ahd broken any laws. Cop said no he just had a report car was stolen. I said show me a copy of the report showing car stolen and your get the registration and license. He asked me to exit the car I said no. You need to get your supervisor and we will remain in the car until he or she shows up. He said get out of the car. I said get the fing SWAT team punk. My girlfriend's daughter is freaking out saying we are going to jail etc. I explained I can do this because I am older and white and its not a good idea for you to mouth off to the cops ever. Sorry thats the way life is. Supervisor shows up I calmly explain the situation to her. I give her my registration and creds. She looked at them and said thank you have a nice day. We filed a formal complaint against the officer and he is no longer with FCPD. Lawsuit was settled out of court. Helped with her college tuition.
Some times you have to act like an idiot or a jerk or maybe an ass hat. Last time I checked it was still a free country until the idiots on the right like Beck et al or the morons on the left like Pelosi et al get there way. So the dude with the AK can act like an <deleted> if he wants and so can I. Life is way to short to grow up and act like an adult.
If this one fool open carrying an AK47 can have a substantial effect on rights to keep and bear arms at local and Federal level we are in deep trouble as Nation.
One suggestion for those who are interested in Constitution and rights as human beings you need to read James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Payne, Voltaire, Patrick Henry, Sam Adams, and the greatest of them all George Mason. Read their writings not what others have taken out of context ie Beck about our rights as human beings. Note the use of the creator etc.
Va Herder
Again just because your strap on a gun and pin on the badge doesnt mean you automatically get respect. Act like a jerk or do the macho flex your muscles moron cop routine and you get the attitude you deserve. Respect is mutal not exclusive to a fool with a gun or badge.
When I used to live in Fairfax County back several years ago and was still in the USN I let my girlfirend's teenage daughter drive my BMW M3. It is a one and only in color on the BMW individual program with a cloth interior. Only one like it on the planet. So she is driving and flashing red lights appear in the mirror. She pulls over. She wasn't speeding yet and didnt violate any laws. Officer was white. She is African American. I just slouched down in the passenger seat. He asked for license and registration. I said why. He said he had a report the car was stolen. I said I dont <deleted> think so since I am the owner. I asked if she ahd broken any laws. Cop said no he just had a report car was stolen. I said show me a copy of the report showing car stolen and your get the registration and license. He asked me to exit the car I said no. You need to get your supervisor and we will remain in the car until he or she shows up. He said get out of the car. I said get the fing SWAT team punk. My girlfriend's daughter is freaking out saying we are going to jail etc. I explained I can do this because I am older and white and its not a good idea for you to mouth off to the cops ever. Sorry thats the way life is. Supervisor shows up I calmly explain the situation to her. I give her my registration and creds. She looked at them and said thank you have a nice day. We filed a formal complaint against the officer and he is no longer with FCPD. Lawsuit was settled out of court. Helped with her college tuition.
Some times you have to act like an idiot or a jerk or maybe an ass hat. Last time I checked it was still a free country until the idiots on the right like Beck et al or the morons on the left like Pelosi et al get there way. So the dude with the AK can act like an <deleted> if he wants and so can I. Life is way to short to grow up and act like an adult.
If this one fool open carrying an AK47 can have a substantial effect on rights to keep and bear arms at local and Federal level we are in deep trouble as Nation.
One suggestion for those who are interested in Constitution and rights as human beings you need to read James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Payne, Voltaire, Patrick Henry, Sam Adams, and the greatest of them all George Mason. Read their writings not what others have taken out of context ie Beck about our rights as human beings. Note the use of the creator etc.
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FourteenMiles
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...from now on I read vaherders posts in Clint Eastwoods voice.
SharpsDressedMan
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I see there are law enforcement officers that would like to maintian the perogative to "investigate" unusual activity, like carrying around a semi-auto rifle. The problems that arise, as mentioned by both sides above, is that loonies, and other dangerous people, are sometimes toting a gun for the wrong reasons. Cops would LIKE to have enough authority to do their jobs, protect the public, etc, without too much restriction. Some cops go over the limits of their authority, constitutionally, and never get called on it by prosecutors and judges that would rather give the benefit of the doubt to the government rather than the individual, to further protect the welfare of the masses. Police generally can more easily exceed their legal limits than the citizen who has had his rights "trimmed" in a case like this one can legally challenge the confrontation. It would be nice if all persons who test the limits of the law were perfect, could speak eloquently, and had law degrees, too. It would be great if police took each case individually on its own merits, treated all interested persons with respect for the individual's rights, and never arrested for anything they would do themselves, but the overwhelming pressure of immediate danger (real or perceived), expediting completion of a contact, and in most cases, having the final say as to "that's enough, you're going to jail" when respect and civility has gone down the drain with a contact-now-become-a-suspect, and, well, you get the picture. You could almost toss a coin, throw in a different cop, let the conversation get a little steamier, and have a totally different outcome than the video. And that is life. Sometimes you get total professionalism; sometimes just bad luck, and sometimes an otherwise innocent man with a challenge to the limits of the constitution goes to jail. All in a day's work.
au01st
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Driving the wrong car for that voice, lol. I enjoyed your post.
Justin
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Regarding the original topic, Labrat over at Atomic Nerds pretty well sums up how I feel about stunt carriers.
Warning, some language is NSFW.
Warning, some language is NSFW.
Like it or not, even jerks have constitutional rights.
And sometimes the person challenging the legal system is Rosa Parks, sometimes it is Ernesto Miranda (thief, kidnapper and rapist).
If I were being jacked around by a system that allowed me to buy guns and open carry them but denied me a CCW based on a questionable reason, I might too open carry a scary looking gun around until someone decided it was easier to issue the CCW.
And sometimes the person challenging the legal system is Rosa Parks, sometimes it is Ernesto Miranda (thief, kidnapper and rapist).
If I were being jacked around by a system that allowed me to buy guns and open carry them but denied me a CCW based on a questionable reason, I might too open carry a scary looking gun around until someone decided it was easier to issue the CCW.
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Rosa Parks had class. This guy is more like Chris Rock not giving up his seat on a bus... not exactly the face you want on your cause. At the very least he could have tried to have a more reasonable conversation with the cops. Just because you can act like an arse doesn't mean you should.
Just to put things in perspective, Rosa Parks was NOT viewed as having class by many at the time. She was viewed as barely human and lucky to be able to ride on the bus at all.
SharpsDressedMan
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One more thing to mention. The cops get paid to take abusive language. Part of the job. If they can't leave their emotions out of it, and still act professional, then they should find other employment. I say this as a retired cop.
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No I am not but you are trying to make out what she did as something other than what it was considered at the time and then use it as a comparison to open carry of an AK47.
As for whether or not it will make a difference in the next 100 years? Look me up in 2111....Do you think Rosa Parks thought she was making a difference? She was tired of taking people's crap, plain and simple.
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