Guy open carries an AK, stopped breifly by cops.

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Appears to be a Houghton MI, is all I can find. I have no idea what their CCW laws are or why he could be denied. But if it is a may issue state it could be that he's trying to wear them down. Get to a point where who ever makes the call decides it's easier to give him a CCW than waste PD resources on these BS stops. Just a thought.
 
OK I think we've exhausted the LE "us vs them" side of this and it's turning personal as these usually do.

DPris is quite right, open carry debates get very heated and it's tempting to get nasty.

We don't want to do that, doesn't help the pro 2A cause at all that's for sure. Let's try to stay on track please.
 
This guy is about two steps removed from wearing a tinfoil hat while he carries his AK around. I hope he never makes the lead story on the news.
 
If he wants to open carry an AK for whatever reason, so be it. But he didn't need to try and BS the second officer.

Officer 2 "I know why you're open carrying."
"No you don't."

Yes he did. It was pretty obvious. He was because he could, AND to make a point. The officer knew exactly that. So why did he even bother trying to BS him.....to make a point. Ironically, that was just proving the officer correct. Had he just said it how it was, it wouldn't have changed anything, but it would have been more respectful, and maybe he wouldn't be bothered by the police as much.

End rant.
 
DPris said:
I've given you some things to think about on the issue, it's not as simple a matter as "It's legal, leave me alone!"
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You seem to be getting upset about this, legally speaking in this case "It's legal, leave me alone!" is exactly as simple as this matter is.

The only thing you have given me to think about is the fact that you apparently studied the law extensively and yet didn't know your own stop and identify statute although you apparently used it for nearly 20 years.

Has anyone messaged "AK47master" to see if they could find out why his CCL was denied in the first place?
 
Thumbs Up, he was with in the law, the first cop tried and failed to bully him,the second cop did what he needed to, the cop might think he knows why the guy is carrying but in reality he nor any of us know.
 
Actually, he is breaking the law (in Michigan) if you want to get technical. Well, I should say if he drives with it in a car to get to and from where he's open-carrying. The only legal way you can have any gun in your car in Michigan (in the trunk separated from ammo) is for transportation to and from a gun range or other shooting facility. Unless, of course, you have a CPL. If he happens to live in that town and walks everywhere, then I am wrong.
 
He was excercising not only what is a god given right, but what was also LEGAL in that state, cops were in the wrong, and I cant blame any freedom loving law abider not puting up w/ BS regardless.
 
This is just stupid.

I fully support concealed or open carry of handguns, but a rifle?

I wouldn't look twice at someone open carrying a Glock, but if someone came waltzing into a grocery stor with a rifle, I would be on alert.

It seems to me that this guy isn't so much making a statement as he is being an Attention.....um.....'Lady of the Evening'.
 
Why? How is a rifle any more dangerous than a pistol in a grocery store? Its silly to be unconcerned about a handgun, but to be 'on alert' because its a rifle, no logic in it :rolleyes:
 
I'm going to agree with DPris here. Let me state my qualifcations--

I don't have a legal degree.
I don't have LE experience.
I don't have routine run-ins with the law.
I don't feel it necessary to walk my AK for exercise.
I have trouble getting firearm purchase past my wife.
I'm occasionally forced to watch judge Judy with my wife. I hate her.

With that legal mastery firmly slipping through my grasp, I do have common sense. Not to disparage LEOs, but some us are forgetting this clip that is often thrown around on this forum. Specifically, it comes down to the fact that if law enforcement wants to find you doing something wrong, they will. You will make a mistake. You will be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Again, not to disparage the police, but i'm sure any half competent officer can manufacture a reason to detain an asshat parading around with an AK... Without breaking the law at its letter.

Yes, you have a right to walk your AK around.
Yes, police are going to ask you about it.
Yes, you probably deserve to get arrested if you're an idiot.
 
Why? How is a rifle any more dangerous than a pistol in a grocery store? Its silly to be unconcerned about a handgun, but to be 'on alert' because its a rifle, no logic in it
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I think there is quite a bit of logic in it.

A long gun simply isn't practical for self defense, so there must be some other reason why he is carrying it.

Maybe he is on his way to shoot up a high school. Or maybe, like the guy this thread is based on, he's trying to be a confrontational jack***.

In the parking lot of a range is one thing, but if someone walks into Shoney's holding a Mini-14, the first thing I'm going to do is locate an exit. Just in case.

Carrying a handgun makes perfect sense. A loaded deer rifle? Something isn't right here.
 
If the law denied this man then there probably was a good reason for doing so. I believe that it is people like this that will cause us to lose our gun rights. Those cops were just doing there jobs. Your darn right I would ask someone just what the heck they were doing walking around in my neighborhood with an AK-47. Is this guy nuts???
 
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He was excercising not only what is a god given right, but what was also LEGAL in that state, cops were in the wrong, and I cant blame any freedom loving law abider not puting up w/ BS regardless.
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Guns are NOT a "God-Given Right". Why does everybody think that?
Its not a human right that you can walk down the street with an AK 47, protesting that you couldn't pass a background check. Its not in the bible either, unless they have re-written it.

And you guys wonder why there are anti's...
 
If he can legally own a firearm, then there shouldn't be too much reason why he couldn't get the permit. That being said, regardless of the law people should use common sense about how they display themselves with their firearms. We all know that a good percentage of the population are anti-gun. We all know that there have been plenty of incidents of people walking into a building with a high capacity rifle with bad intentions. Of course the police are going to respond, as they should. Of course they will question him, as they should. And in my opinion, they should also keep watching him. Because with a stupid video like that put up on youtube for the world to see, he could directly lead to someone else to do the same....only maybe that person DOES have bad intentions and can now LEGALLY position himself to cause more harm just because he has rights. This is not smart, by any stretch of the imagination.
 
Guns are NOT a "God-Given Right". Why does everybody think that?
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Probably because someone once said something about being endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights which were later confirmed in a document many still think relevant. Silly, huh?
 
Well, see that is where we get complicated isn't it?

The rights in the constitution were not thought of by god. They were thought up by human beings. That is a fact.

ALSO, here is something a little contradictory. We have this right, however most countries do not. So, how then can it really be called a god-given right?

I don't mean to turn this towards a religious debate at all, I am simply speaking from a standpoint of rights.
 
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I agree he's "pushing the envelope" and may get harassed and arrested. However, didn't Rosa Park refuse to give up her seat on the bus? Wasn't that a BIG DEAL, that pissed off a lot of onlookers and got her arrested? Doing things like that MAKES change happen. Trying not to scare people and being reasonable DOES NOT.
 
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