Guy waves gun around at work

[txgho1911]

It gets real hard to breath when you have been embalmed and buried.

 

[thexrayboy]

maybe wait a few weeks, till everyones settled and start to see if your coworkers and boss change thier attitude about guns. remeber, an anti is only an anti until they get mugged/raped. maybe your boss will see that no little phrase in the employe handbook could stop a jelous lover from killing a lot of people. but one or two armed employees could

This idea may, I repeat may, work in a small business owned by a single person or family. When presented with the evidence that formal employee policy prohibiting weapons is meaningless for those who are willng to commit capitol crimes they may reconsider. In a true corporate environment with a
CEO, board of directors, human resources dept. etc. this approach will have zero chance and will only serve to make you stand out in their minds as a "gun nut" deserving of further scrutiny or even direct action.

Many a company has been the scene of workplace shootings, all in violation of written "no weapons" policies. None of these business have shown any inclination to reconsider their victim disarmament policy.

Remember, in the corporate environment employees are not people. They are tools to use to create revenue. Policies governing the conduct of those tools is designed soley to protect the bottom line of the company and mitigate the chances of legal actions. PERIOD. The average employee is no more important to a CEO or board member than the chair they are sitting on or the PC they are typing on. Its all about loss prevention and protection from lawsuits.

 

[Wheeler44]

It's stories like this that make me glad I telecommute.

 

[gezzer]

most likey they said it was someone with a pistol permit.

Or a cop, especially one of RANK.

 

[Guitargod1985]

if you are ok with losing your job in using your firearm to defend yourself or others, more power to you!

Yes, I am more than okay with that. If I have to choose between a job and my life, it's a no-brainer.

 

[Jerry Morris]

Yes, I am more than okay with that. If I have to choose between a job and my life, it's a no-brainer.

I think we can all agree, if it is your life, a job, or a jail term would be preferable.

I still think, if this kind of thing is common, a more CCW friendly job is the thing to look for. The odds are high, you may lose the job and some jail may occur and your life is never threatened. This would be very likely at my place of employment.

But, you are an adult. It is up to you to make the decisions.

Jerry

 

[1911Tuner]

I wouldn't have drawn unless he pointed it at me or had already shot someone in my presence

And you'd have likely lost that fight...

 

[joab]

The odds are high, you may lose the job and some jail may occur and your life is never threatened.

This is Florida, jail time is generally not a danger
Instead of telling people that they should seek other employment perhaps you should rethink your state of residence

 

[highfive]

I can say I have seen this kind of behavior before... the thing is I'm in the military and this happened when I was in Iraq so you know everybody over there at least has one gun...at least. So one day after a hard day work.....ok ok we got attacked, we repelled and nobody was hurt.....after all this one of the guys began acting all crazy (key word here acting) He even fire a few rounds so we hit him hard and we stop the guy. So after this he got sent back to the states....

After we came back we found out he got kicked out of the army because he wasn't crazy he just want it to get out of Iraq...for me he was only a coward....

Crazy behavior in a crazy place........I hate that place....just my 2

 

[Jerry Morris]

This is Florida, jail time is generally not a danger
Instead of telling people that they should seek other employment perhaps you should rethink your state of residence

This is an interesting concept. I should leave my state, when I can more easily change jobs and remedy the situation? I should sell my home, which is paid for, then move to another place and start over? It may come to pass, but not over some little thing like this issue. This is where I was born. This is where my roots are. 56 years kind of made it grow on me.

If you are inviting me to Florida, no thanks. I have been there, didn't like it.

Jerry

 

[h0ss]

I just recently (two weeks ago) started employment with a company that had a fatal shooting about 15 years ago. Even though it was 15 years ago, its a small town and it shook the place up, and they have had several "incidents" since then, not necessarily with a firearm, but a kid with a knife who stabbed someone a couple streets over jumped the fence, got in the building somehow and tried to hide, as well as other false alarms.

The place i work for is a high profile company, i wont say who it is, but everyone has heard of it. Naturally the company has a strict no weapons policy, as well as stating they can at any random time search your locker, vehicle while it is on their property, and any bag, backpack or whatever you have just short of searching your person. They stepped up security, all entrances locked, you need a card key to swipe in AND out of the building, security cameras at every entrance, and they even had our local police who trained with the LA SWAT team to come to the facility and come up with an armed intruder plan where we go into lockdown and the police come in with a small team and clear every room in the building, which they had to do once for a false alarm just over a month ago.

So, even though i would love to CCW, there is no chance i would risk bringing a CCW into the building or even leaving one in my car, because i've been trying to get into the job for awhile now and it is a very good company to work for, and they DO treat us like human beings, regardless of what you may think regarding their strict no weapons policy. I think they are just doing what most people instinctivly do, ban what they are afraid of, which is expected considering they have gone through a tragic incident before.

I do however, wish i could AT LEAST have my CCW in my car for when i go to and from work. Or sometimes i have to walk home and since i cant keep my gun at work, i cant bring it to begin with. BTW they ban ALL types of weapons at my job. They dont specify, they just say all weapons in the handbook, so they can deem what they see fit as a weapon. They are located in the middle of town though, and i have thought of maybe parking my car on the public street just off of their private property (parking lots) for 8 hours. That is the only way i know of to legally get around it at the moment. Wow i typed a lot. Sorry!

 

[Shifty]

rationally speaking, there isnt a whole lot of reason to orphan my kids or destroy our quality of life over some one elses problems.

so common sense would dictate if i'm proximal to the incident, gun gets ready, stays hidden. if i'm further removed, say a floor down or so, i leave.

would i feel bad if somebody gets shot, yea, probably.... but if you can feel bad that means you are still alive. and ultimately its the fault of the nutjob pulling the trigger, not me for not intervening.

but honestly, i'd probably gauge the situation from afar and intervene if i thought it was going to escalate. gun stays holstered till i shoot. no stupid hollywood drawing on the guy and trying to BS him.


tough call, maybe if i knew the persons involved i would be saying otherwise, who knows.

 

[Invalid]

www.smartcarry.com for deep concealment.

So next time he should buy one of these to better hide his gun? Before he goes in and terrorizes his workplace? Or should we buy one of those, so we can sneak weapons into a gun-free zone under the noses of officials, risking our job and ignoring the law?

 

[ShooterMcGavin]

maybe wait a few weeks, till everyones settled and start to see if your coworkers and boss change thier attitude about guns.

I really don't think that is likely. Imagine going to your boss, after a serious firearms scare which threatened the lives of many employees. Imagine saying to him/her "I would like your permission to carry a concealed handgun at work". To the boss, the handgun is exactly the problem (not the person holding it).

 

[SSN Vet]

my favorite spin on Forrest Gump's quote seams appropriate here.........

Concealed is as Concealed does!

 

[alucard0822]

So next time he should buy one of these to better hide his gun? Before he goes in and terrorizes his workplace?

i'm not exactly sure what you are getting at. If the purpose is to intimidate and terrorize, why would you need concealment outside of a pocket or something just to get in the door, it just makes more work to pull the gun and wave it around. I belive guntalk was suggesting a method to better conceal a DEFENSIVE weapon where legal, but possibly aggainst company policy. Most of us were fairly vocal how VA tech's policy of disarmament of law abiding, liscenced CCrs contributed to the scope of the tragedy, as opposed to the much less well known Appalacian School of Law shooting, where only two were killed, and the perp was stopped and aprehended by two armed students. Workplace shootings are not that common, but do happen, and if you seek to practice self preservation, I think that holster would be a good choice.

 

[joab]

If you are inviting me to Florida, no thanks. I have been there, didn't like it.

No, we have enough people down here who want us to do things like they do up there

Just pointing out an inconsistency in what some people consider a good argument

Those that are not willing to change your life to accommodate your unfettered access to personal protection but expect others to.

 

[Jerry Morris]

Those that are not willing to change your life to accommodate your unfettered access to personal protection but expect others to.

Now, you are reaching for words I never said, son.

Jerry

Added: Is English your first (primary) language?

 

[joab]

Not reaching, and I'm not your damn son

Perhaps you did not mean to imply that Guitargod should change his employment if he feels the need to carry when you said

I still think, if this kind of thing is common, a more CCW friendly job is the thing to look for. The odds are high, you may lose the job and some jail may occur and your life is never threatened. This would be very likely at my place of employment.

But, you are an adult. It is up to you to make the decisions.

It is possible I misinterpreted

 

[Guitargod1985]

Regarding employment, I will indeed be changing jobs in December / January after I'm done with this semester of school. I'll be relocating to Saint Petersberg to attend college there, so there isn't much point in staying at a job 2+ hours away. And I do plan on finding an emplyer without a "no weapons" policy.

 

[Invalid]

i'm not exactly sure what you are getting at. If the purpose is to intimidate and terrorize, why would you need concealment outside of a pocket or something just to get in the door, it just makes more work to pull the gun and wave it around. I belive guntalk was suggesting a method to better conceal a DEFENSIVE weapon where legal, but possibly aggainst company policy. Most of us were fairly vocal how VA tech's policy of disarmament of law abiding, liscenced CCrs contributed to the scope of the tragedy, as opposed to the much less well known Appalacian School of Law shooting, where only two were killed, and the perp was stopped and aprehended by two armed students. Workplace shootings are not that common, but do happen, and if you seek to practice self preservation, I think that holster would be a good choice.

We're discussing two different things here- it's no point of contention on my part that he should be able to carry, and I completely agree that it ought to be allowed. However, they instead prohibit CC, thus making it an infraction to have one on the property. So, by smuggling a gun in with a space-age man-thong holster () he's breaking the law. The rules apply to everyone, and no-guns policy should mean a staunch no-guns policy for the entire workplace populace, no exceptions.

Believe me, I'm aware of the lives a licensed concealed weapon can help save, but I can't advocate anyone bringing a firearm into a public area where it is explicitly banned, regardless of how you don't want to use it for the same reasons some psychotic sociopath does- nobody can be sure of that but you.

Then again, maybe he's talking about some manthong-holster tangent in the conversation and I'm just not on that particular topic.

 

[Guitargod1985]

Actually, in Florida I'm not LEGALLY prohibited from carrying at work. They can only legally prohibit it if they are a prohibited place as defined by state / federal law. So because I do not work at a post office, school, whatever, I'm actually not breaking any law.

If it were illegal, I wouldn't carry it, just as I leave my carry gun at the house when I go to class two days a week.

 

[Invalid]

Actually, in Florida I'm not LEGALLY prohibited from carrying at work. They can only legally prohibit it if they are a prohibited place as defined by state / federal law. So because I do not work at a post office, school, whatever, I'm actually not breaking any law.

If it were illegal, I wouldn't carry it, just as I leave my carry gun at the house when I go to class two days a week.

See, that's more logical. Sorry for any confusion

 

[Jerry Morris]

Not reaching, and I'm not your damn son

Temper, temper! The language is not THR. And you are reaching, reread what you posted and you might understand why I thought I was taking advantage of someone less than comfortable with the English language.

Perhaps you did not mean to imply that Guitargod should change his employment if he feels the need to carry when you said

Now, why would you have a problem with this? Did you read and understand all of it? It was a conditional statement. Even so, why do you have a problem with someone leaving a CCW unfriendly place???? And why do you not see and take of that note that last line in that post?

Let me tell you about myself. I am a plant closer. That is a development in the recent era. I have lots of company, many have been where I have been. Everyplace I have ever worked is no longer in business. I know a lot about jobs. I have taken lots of jobs. I know beyond doubt, if you keep your resume and public record clean, there is always a new job around the corner. Once your record is tarnished, you get set back.

Employers check you out today. They look at your legal records, even you credit records. Have you never seen this? Have you never signed under that paragraph that say you accept the "ROOLZ"?

Today I get paid a relatively lot of money, for very little work. I used to bust my tail working. Then when I was done busting my tail working, I'd go to another job delivering pizza in dark places. I know jobs! Now, I make good money on straight time and go home to be with my wife, whom I love very much. She hated to see me load that pistol and stick it in its holster, over a job delivering pizza.

Maybe you are still too young to know, tilting at windmills, when you are young, is fun, but it gets old too fast. I am a counter balance to some Young Thumpers here. I am trying to smooth things out for those who wish to listen. Avoid all the knots and bruises, because in a few years you will feel them again. A job, is a job.

This current thread is about merely another form of knot, or bruise. But one that can hurt for a long time. I have seen it too many times. I avoided my nasty lumps of this type and am trying to help others do the same.

If the incident described was common at my place of work,,,,, I WOULD LEAVE! Best job I ever had! BUT, I WOULD LEAVE! Worst case, I could wind up killing someone, or getting killed. Not so bad, I could get canned
and have to explain what I have been doing for ten years to prospective employers, if they have not already found out I got canned, a little worse, I could earn a criminal record.

Why is leaving such a distasteful thing to you?????? This is incomprehensible to me! It is only a job. Holy Cow, you wanted me to leave MY HOME! My Home holds all I possess and all of that is truly mine, not some bank.

If this does not clear the air for you, the task is beyond all hope.

Jerry

 

[alucard0822]

I belive guntalk was suggesting a method to better conceal a DEFENSIVE weapon where legal, but possibly aggainst company policy.

I thought this would have cleared it up, but thanks guitargod for the assist. I am not advocating breaking any laws, there ias a difference between company policy and law. For some, the risks involved with termination due to being "made" outweigh the benefits of carry, and the risks from criminal action. That is an entirely personal decision everyone would have to make, but I thought the holster guntech showed would be a solution for those willing to carry, but trading deployment speed for deep concealment due to EMPLOYMENT problems, some possibly for legal issues. More or less people who go postal tend not to be too concerned with concealment, more so about intimidation, and access to weapons/ammo.