To 9mmepiphany and anyone else requesting smaller dots at closer range:
Here they are, this was done at 10 yards. 24 dots, 5 shots each. 60 rounds with the M&P, and 60 rounds with the H&K, Indoor range, supported from a rifle rest, Federal HST 180gr P40HST1 ammo.
Average Accuracy M&P 40 pro 5", 10 yards = 2.14"
Average Accuracy H&K USP 40c (3.5"), 10 yards = 1.44"
This is pretty consistent with what I'm seeing at 25 yards.
H&K top, M&P bottom on this one; Group 11 low shot was 1st shot of an M&P magazine, however groups 7 & 9 were also fresh mags that didn't have a flier on the first round.
M&P top, H&K bottom ont his one: Group 1,3,5,6 low shots were all 1st shots of an M&P magazine!
In Addition....I had a range officer shoot the M&P with two seperate 5 round mags. He shot a 5 round group at 3 yards his first shot was 1.5" lower than the others; the other 4 shots were one ragged hole. He then shot 5 round group at 10 yards on the head of a human outline target, going for head shots. The first shot hit the left eye, the next shot went over the head, off the paper, the 3rd shot barely skimmed the top of the paper, the 4th shot was at the top of the forehead and he walked the last shot back close to the first one (I'm guessing he was adjusting his POA as his shots started flying too high).
So yeah...even with another guy shooting my M&P, the first shot of the magazines were roughly 10 MOA lower than the rest.
Without these 1st round of magazine fliers, the M&P would be equal to the H&K if not better.
Thoughts?