Handgun for Armored Car Job
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Joey,
I worked as an amored car gaurd around twelve years ago. Back then I carried a Beretta 92FS 9mm in a Safariland Top Gun Level I. I tightened the tension screw for gun grabs. In hindsight, I should have had at least a Level II holster.
Anyway, if I were to go back today, I would probably go with a semiauto that was chambered in .40 or .45 and was simple to operate. Something like a Glock 21 or 22, Springfield XD Series, Heckler & Koch P2000 series, and Sig Sauer DAK series. Can't go wrong with one of these. Good luck and be safe.
I worked as an amored car gaurd around twelve years ago. Back then I carried a Beretta 92FS 9mm in a Safariland Top Gun Level I. I tightened the tension screw for gun grabs. In hindsight, I should have had at least a Level II holster.
Anyway, if I were to go back today, I would probably go with a semiauto that was chambered in .40 or .45 and was simple to operate. Something like a Glock 21 or 22, Springfield XD Series, Heckler & Koch P2000 series, and Sig Sauer DAK series. Can't go wrong with one of these. Good luck and be safe.
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I'll assume that's just hyperbole, and you merely said it to prove some kind of point. Because otherwise the notion of us thinking of ourselves as moral men possessing the character and judgement necessary to be entrusted walking about society armed is incompatable and irreconcilable with this mindset.
I'd feel horrible if I killed an innocent person as a result of my negligence. It would personally be a struggle to look at myself in the mirror for a long, long time.
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Bullfrogen….I don’t know. Some people are really that narcissistic. Generally the same type of people who are atheists and agnostics. I know if I thought this was the only life I had going, and no higher authority to answer to my value system would be different. Not that I am saying Albanian is any of that, but let’s just say it doesn’t look like the comments of someone answering to a higher authority.
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I would have no problem living with myself after killing a BG. I would have a SEVERE problem living with myself if I nailed 20 bystanders while trying to kill said BG.
Besides the moral implications ( I know I would feel bad If I took out a single innocent bystander) is that if you spray n pray- when you are out of ammo, YOU ARE OUT! Then you are a soft target. If you had simply taken the time to use the sights (they are there for a REASON), you would not have that problem. I would rather be dead than kill and innocent bystander.
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Whats a PS 9000?
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MadMercS55
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Not sure what the PS 9000 is, but the PS 90 is FN's civilian version of the P90, 5.7x28mm subgun.
"I'd feel horrible if I killed an innocent person as a result of my negligence. It would personally be a struggle to look at myself in the mirror for a long, long time."
I'd feel bad as well. I didn't say that I would be happy about it. I probably got a little out of hand there but I did have a point. My point was, I plan on defending myself first and foremost and looking out for everyone else second in a gunfight. If I ever got into a gunfight, I just don't think I would have the ability to make sure everyone in the area was safe before I began to shoot.
If I am being shot at, most likely, I won't have time to secure the area of bystanders and lookyloos. I am just being honest. If someone died by my hand in a gunfight that someone else started, I would feel really bad but I still would prefer to be alive. I would get over the guilt but I would never get over being dead!
I am not saying that I want others to die or that I would spray crowds of people with bullets to cover my escape, I am just saying that I would not have the time or the skill to make 100% certain that everyone of my bullets hit the target or went into a safe area. I would prefer it if it happened that way but while under fire, it woudn't be priority number one for me.
I guess I am just a bad person.
I'd feel bad as well. I didn't say that I would be happy about it. I probably got a little out of hand there but I did have a point. My point was, I plan on defending myself first and foremost and looking out for everyone else second in a gunfight. If I ever got into a gunfight, I just don't think I would have the ability to make sure everyone in the area was safe before I began to shoot.
If I am being shot at, most likely, I won't have time to secure the area of bystanders and lookyloos. I am just being honest. If someone died by my hand in a gunfight that someone else started, I would feel really bad but I still would prefer to be alive. I would get over the guilt but I would never get over being dead!
I am not saying that I want others to die or that I would spray crowds of people with bullets to cover my escape, I am just saying that I would not have the time or the skill to make 100% certain that everyone of my bullets hit the target or went into a safe area. I would prefer it if it happened that way but while under fire, it woudn't be priority number one for me.
I guess I am just a bad person.
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Thats what I figured. It has that sight too. He must of added the 000 for some reasion. That would make a good armored car gun. High power in a small package.
Yes you do have that responsibility. Your a good example of why the need to tighten standards for security guards and armored car guards. You would never have made it passed the psych test as a cop. Your posts show a blatent disregard for human life and it shows your ignorance of what it takes to win gun fights.
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355sigfan....ditto.
BullfrogKen
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I guess this is a different approach to the women and children first attitude of the way gentlemen conduct and moral men should conduct themselves.
I'd rather slide off the deck of the Titanic into the icy sea and eternal rest than take a seat in a lifeboat that denied one to a woman or child.
I'd also rather, in your either or/ choice, be shot in a robbery attempt than return fire if it meant my rounds would impact into a crowd of 20 women and children. Roughly 80% of people shot with handgun survive their wounds, anyway. I'll take my chances. I'm not sure I could survive taking the lives of women and children.
Volunteer firefighters assume much more risk running into a fire to save complete strangers.
If you refuse to learn the skills and acquire the judgment necessary to be entrusted to walk amongst society armed, to display callous disregard of others besides yourself, to do your best to not endanger people by your actions . . . then you have no business walking about men so armed.
I find this attitude morally bankrupt and repugnant, and reflects poorly on the good men who think otherwise.
I'd rather slide off the deck of the Titanic into the icy sea and eternal rest than take a seat in a lifeboat that denied one to a woman or child.
I'd also rather, in your either or/ choice, be shot in a robbery attempt than return fire if it meant my rounds would impact into a crowd of 20 women and children. Roughly 80% of people shot with handgun survive their wounds, anyway. I'll take my chances. I'm not sure I could survive taking the lives of women and children.
Volunteer firefighters assume much more risk running into a fire to save complete strangers.
If you refuse to learn the skills and acquire the judgment necessary to be entrusted to walk amongst society armed, to display callous disregard of others besides yourself, to do your best to not endanger people by your actions . . . then you have no business walking about men so armed.
I find this attitude morally bankrupt and repugnant, and reflects poorly on the good men who think otherwise.
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either get this thread back on track or close it!
Hey Y'all...what happened to the core subject of this thread as it was meant to be ?!? It is WWWAAAYYY off track! Either get back to the original subject or the mediators may close it! NO HATE THREADS!!!
I've stayed away from reading this thread hoping it would get back on track...:banghead: ...no such luck...the morality and legality aspect in this discussion needs to be taken up in the Legal and Political and/or Strategies and Tactics columns...not all of us want to read this jilted crap when we originally expected to read about the various handguns people have used or currently use in security work.
I know I won't be back on this thread again! Thanks for nuthin!! :banghead:
Hey Y'all...what happened to the core subject of this thread as it was meant to be ?!? It is WWWAAAYYY off track! Either get back to the original subject or the mediators may close it! NO HATE THREADS!!!
I've stayed away from reading this thread hoping it would get back on track...:banghead: ...no such luck...the morality and legality aspect in this discussion needs to be taken up in the Legal and Political and/or Strategies and Tactics columns...not all of us want to read this jilted crap when we originally expected to read about the various handguns people have used or currently use in security work.
I know I won't be back on this thread again! Thanks for nuthin!! :banghead:
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kmrcstintn........since you promised not to read this thread anymore, I trust you're not reading this. But their is some good info on here. Besides, I think you at least got what you paid for.
kmrcstintn,
Take it easy brother. Threads tend to vear off target once they get over a few pages long. There are no hard feelings here. Us old timers are just having a little bit of fun. A lot of what I said was basically the way I feel but I admit I was playing a bit of the Devil's Advocate by taking it to the extreme end of the scale.
Alduro is a good guy and I am sure 355sigfan is as well, he just needs to learn to be less emotional and get off his high horse once in a while. I never insult anyone the way 355sigfan does.
Back on topic, I still favor a higher capacity 9mm over a 7-8rd .45acp. I have carried both but found that I could control the 9mm better when shooting one hand rapid fire, esp weak hand. The .45acp tends to flop around in my hand like a fish. I have never actually lost my grip on my SIG-220 but it just didn't feel as secure as my Beretta. The Beretta has a larger grip but for some reason it fits me better even though I don't have large hands.
The extra capcity is is a huge plus because like I said, if I am ever shot at, I want to have plenty of ammo to shoot back with. I have never been in a gunfight but I know the stress level is going to amped up and my accuracy is going to suffer. I shoot pretty well at the range but paper targets and pop cans almost never shoot back.
Take it easy brother. Threads tend to vear off target once they get over a few pages long. There are no hard feelings here. Us old timers are just having a little bit of fun. A lot of what I said was basically the way I feel but I admit I was playing a bit of the Devil's Advocate by taking it to the extreme end of the scale.
Alduro is a good guy and I am sure 355sigfan is as well, he just needs to learn to be less emotional and get off his high horse once in a while. I never insult anyone the way 355sigfan does.
Back on topic, I still favor a higher capacity 9mm over a 7-8rd .45acp. I have carried both but found that I could control the 9mm better when shooting one hand rapid fire, esp weak hand. The .45acp tends to flop around in my hand like a fish. I have never actually lost my grip on my SIG-220 but it just didn't feel as secure as my Beretta. The Beretta has a larger grip but for some reason it fits me better even though I don't have large hands.
The extra capcity is is a huge plus because like I said, if I am ever shot at, I want to have plenty of ammo to shoot back with. I have never been in a gunfight but I know the stress level is going to amped up and my accuracy is going to suffer. I shoot pretty well at the range but paper targets and pop cans almost never shoot back.
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Ah, ahem, yes, I meant the PS-90.
My wife calls Loomis, "Doomis"....
It's a crazy, but fun job.
My wife calls Loomis, "Doomis"....
It's a crazy, but fun job.
Joey,
I have no experience as a security guard, but for what it is worth, I think you are on the right track with the Glock in 45ACP. I would probably opt for the 40 since you get the same stopping power and a couple more rounds in the mag. I would carry plenty of spare hi-cap mags. Almost all amoured car robberies I have ever heard of were by multiple assailants, and usually well armed. Personally, I think they should issue the best vests and kevlar helmets to be used outside the truck since so many guards are shot from behind while they are distracted. The helmet and vest together would almost insure that you would not suffer a fatal wound from behind and might just be enough to make a robber think twice about trying to shoot you from behind because he would know that as soon as he fired a shot, you (and your partner hopefully) would return fire. I just think the helemts would be a very practical safety feature and psychological deterant. I know companies would not like the PR and guards might think the helmets were uncomfortable, but helmets would save lives and possibly loads, so the companies should be all for it.
I hope this wasn't too far off topic or too much unsolicited info.
Roll Tide
I have no experience as a security guard, but for what it is worth, I think you are on the right track with the Glock in 45ACP. I would probably opt for the 40 since you get the same stopping power and a couple more rounds in the mag. I would carry plenty of spare hi-cap mags. Almost all amoured car robberies I have ever heard of were by multiple assailants, and usually well armed. Personally, I think they should issue the best vests and kevlar helmets to be used outside the truck since so many guards are shot from behind while they are distracted. The helmet and vest together would almost insure that you would not suffer a fatal wound from behind and might just be enough to make a robber think twice about trying to shoot you from behind because he would know that as soon as he fired a shot, you (and your partner hopefully) would return fire. I just think the helemts would be a very practical safety feature and psychological deterant. I know companies would not like the PR and guards might think the helmets were uncomfortable, but helmets would save lives and possibly loads, so the companies should be all for it.
I hope this wasn't too far off topic or too much unsolicited info.
Roll Tide
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