Handgun for Armored Car Job

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The PASGT kevlar helmets can be uncomfortable, but aftermarket pad/liner/strap options ranging from $1 foam "donuts" to $100+ MICH style multi point harness chin straps helps greatly. The newer MICH helmets I've handled and tried on are quite nice - light & comfy. Guys & gals lucky enough to have gotten them issued (mostly Combat Comm guys & gals) say they wear great for extended periods of time too. At least thats my Air Force experience with the new helmets. Should be some Army folks on here who can tell you more about the new helmets. I don't know if they'd let you wear one, but I agree with rolltide that it would increase the intimidation factor while adding safety.
 
My 6.5 years with AT ended last month.

I have to say that I absolutely loved the job, but I couldn't stand my coworkers and their can't-do attitude. The customers and the relationships developed are what made the days tolerable.

From what I gathered, the majority of robberies are inside jobs; even if it's just sharing confidential information. There was an episode of FBI Files where a group of experienced robbers used a route guide to plan a heist. They got the route guide from a turncoat with an "inside source" that turned out to be a copper. This particular route was lucky. Others haven't been.

Weapons: I started with the company-issued S&W 686 loaded with .38spl 158g LSWCSJ. I could dump a full cylinder into a very nice group and felt more than comfortable with it because I practiced my reloads religiously. I then transitioned to a Colt 1991 that was a dream, but not well liked by the upper echelons. They actually told me it was too dangerous and I couldn't carry it anymore....but I could carry a glock. :rolleyes:

Finally, I carried a wonderful CZ 75B 9mm loaded with Speer 124g +P Gold Dots. With 17 rounds in the weapon and three spare 16-round mags on my belt, I was very happy. Amazingly, this rig was far lighter than my Colt and two spare mags on the belt. I can't explain why, but it sure was!

Appearance: I cannot stress this enough. Having talked to a few badguys, the concensus is that appearance is the deciding factor, regardless of the crime. If you look like a p*&&y, you will get f&^$#d.

We had an instance where the LLEA called our office and let us know that there was an immediate threat to one of our trucks. All they told us was that there was a Greenville truck being targeted. I was Route Leader for one of three routes that worked in Greenville, and the only thing I could think about was how weak my female partner looked. She was overweight, ugly, unkempt and constantly walked with her head down when she wasn't flirting with passersby. Because you never knew when she would be jumping, the badguys might have caught me out of the truck instead of her. That idea did not make me happy and I requested she be removed from the route.

If you're partner is weak, you get more than your share of attention. The last guy my branch hired before I left could, by his own admission, barely read and write....and he was in his late 30's. He didn't wear a clean uniform, or a trouser belt under his duty belt, or drive with any competency...but he did show up on time every morning. That's the level of professionalizm the company wants. :cuss: :banghead:

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MY ADVICE: Every year you are working with your company, take at least one firearms class, or one medical class, or one management class. If you are anything close too professional and want to work in the security field for the long-term, more training will make you look better. People like Trident Concepts, Suarez Intl and Tactical Response travel around the country to hold classes and you should be there. Get cert'd in Red Cross CPR and First Responder. Medical skills and management skills will make you look very good to others, moreso than shooting skills which can make you look a bit like a Rambo.

Do NOT let your coworkers dictate your attitude. This is the toughest thing I faced, and ultimately failed at. You must be professional and have confidence in your abilities, but you must also be able to defend against political attacks.

Toe the line and keep copious notes on what you see/hear.

Realize that once you climb a bit on the payscale, you will have a hard time finding similar pay at other companies. When I left AT, I was at the top and every other armored company told me that I would have to start at the bottom regardless of my experience or training. The same goes for outside the armored world; if you look for security work with decent companies, you're going to find it very hard to get good money. That's why you have to constantly boost your resume with training courses; it shows professionalism and foresight, both of which are sought-after qualities.
 
My G21 has +2 magazine floorplate extenders... if you thought 2x13 mags of .45ACP was nice, try 2x15 rnds of .45ACP...! Even better! Like Hot Chocolate... with MARSHMALLOWS!

My personal advice with the Glock 21 is invest in a grip sleeve, like a Hogue Handall, or at least the sandpaper-like glue on grip friction pads. My experience with Glocks is that when your hand is sweaty (Like after dropping a big canvas bag of quarters in the back of a truck in 102 degree summer sun) the Glock gets a little slippery and has a very fat grip to begin with...
 
Evan 102? that isnt hot.

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The HK P-2000/SIGarms DAK-R .357SIG

I would look at the HK P-2000(LEM) in .357SIG or the SIG DAK model(P-226/P-229) in .357SIG. These weapons are highly rated and proven by major LE agencies(Texas Dept of Public Safety, VA State Police, Richmond VA PD, Dept of Homeland Security, US Coast Guard, etc). The .357SIG is powerful and feeds without problems. These sidearms are not cheap but for armored car/armed security duty they would be a smart choice.

For rounds I'd check the .357SIG 125gr Speer Gold Dot bonded JHPs or Remington Golden Saber .357SIG bonded JHPs. For CC use get Magsafe, ExtremeShock or Glaser Silver loads.

Keep us posted on your purchase ideas.

All the best;
RS

www.sigarms.com www.natchezss.com www.extremeshockusa.com www.corbon.com www.gunsamerica.com www.hk-usa.com

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Wow, this thread has risen from the grave again?

Some things I'd reccommend, once you've got your route pretty well down:
First, would be to build a rapport with on site security at the places that have it. For a while I worked security (unarmed) at a government building that had two different armored companies coming by every day; one for the credit union and one for the bank in the lobby. We'd pull up all the outside cameras by the loading dock, send two guys with radios out onto the sidewalk, and flip a radio to the 911 dispatch channel in case anything started looking funny. Anything the people at a stop can do to help you is that much load off your mind.
In terms of gear, I think you're pretty well set. It gets wierd because every state licenses armed guards differently, and different companies have to work within those restrictions to get close to what they want you to be carrying.
Example: In CT, you need to qualify with your specific, serial numbered weapon and have it put on your armed guard "blue card", which is seperate from your guard card, and you need both before Dunbar, etc, will talk to you about hiring. They are generally unresponsive to inquiries about what they consider suitable. Body armor here needs to be bought face to face, over the counter too. So just getting qualified for the job is a big investment; pistol permit so that you can buy a pistol, then your pistol, then the blue card class, then you apply to armored companies. (CDL preferred). The pay differential is like $9-10.50 to start unarmed security vs $14ish for armored here, so a lot of people figure armored just dosen't make sense... hence, smaller applicant pool. It's a very wierd system.
 
I've never been part of an armored car team, but occassionally considered it at times.

Here is my analysis.

Pay: Likely around $25,000 per year full time. IMO way too low for the risk of guarding money.

Danger and Defense: Ever see the movie "Heat?" I think hits on armed guards guarding money are going to be organized and probably immediately deadly or at least very dangerous as the armed robbers want to immediately neutralize you as armed resistance. I would SERIOUSLY advocate buying and wearing the BEST body armor you can afford over spending extra money on a gun.

Offense. I agree with the poster that said your gun is almost irrelevant and is really just a deterant. But even worse than a deterrant, it raises the stakes of the aggressors, forcing them to possibly use lethal ambush tactics that they might otherwise not use. You, being armed resistance, may just get shot in the back immediately whereas if you weren't armed that wouldn't be necessary. And because you couldn't draw unless drawn upon, it's unlikely you'd ever get a chance to shoot anyway.

Bordom with potential for immediate danger: You will likely never have a problem, but then it happens: a shootout with you reacting. UGH.

If it were me taking the job and on a budget, I'd take the gun they offer and then spend the $500 on a ballistic vest. IF, and it's a big IF, something goes down, you will likely be ambushed and possibly shot or stabbed before you can react. Wear armor. See www.bulletproofme.com. I have a vest from these folks and they are good to work with.
 
Lots of good advice here.
I was wondering what the fuss was about until I realized that my ignore list was filtering it out.

I dated a woman several years ago who worked for an armoured car company.
She drove an unmarked car that followed certain rigs into less than desirable areas.
She was one hell of a driver. But she was also a good shot. I doubt she would have ever drove off and left a partner hanging out to dry.

AT can be dangerous. I know there are certain areas where I wouldn't want to do it. Plus all that lifting can take its toll too.
 
And this relates to the original question how? :scrutiny:

Each AT company has proticals in place for how to deal with certain situations. And these proticals are well beyond the scope of this discussion.


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Scenarios of how to commit a Federal Felony are really NOT in the spirit of this forum.
 
I wasn't discussing it so that people can go out and do it... I was discussing it so that people can learn how somebody with a military mindset might think about going about it... However bear in mind that I am not a criminal, I am in business.

Those intelligent enough to succeed in business probably could succeed in anything, and those with a keen military mind probably can give some useful information to those who help uphold law and order.
 
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