The Glockodile
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For me, Wolff extra power springs and a Storm lake barrels.
My main driving fear in the context of my Glocks was loose chambers - my fancy calibers use Bar - Stos.
For me, Wolff extra power springs and a Storm lake barrels.
Lots of thoughts and just a bit of emotions in these “bear/dangerous game handgun threads.
Bottom Line: according to the June 2021 article, handguns were 97% effective in 104 cases thwarting wild animal attacks:
https://www.ammoland.com/2021/06/handgun-or-pistol-against-bear-attacks-104-cases-97-effective/
.500 > .44 > 10MM > .40 > 9MM, but ALL worked and were effective when needed.
I love bear threads...
I live in Idaho, have seen moose on my property, and have heard some grizzlies may be in the area not too far away. I prefer a .44 mag or .45 Colt with heavy solids, carried in a chest holster. I may pick up a nice .454...always wanted one.
Good luck with whatever you decide.
After reading the article, I note that even the .22 rimfire is included in that number. So I'm not quite sure I trust the article.
Only two I know both pack 4” barreled 629’s.Interesting ... but self-defeating at day's end for the Big-Bore Magnum Revolver (BBMR) fans.
A full-loaded (15+1) G20 will weigh the less that the typical BBRM. And by typical, I'm talking about the models usually advertised or recommended for carry in "bear country," especially Alaska.
These tend to be heavy, thick-barreled 5- or 6-shot 44s, 454s, 500s, etc., all of them low capacity boat-anchors.
Worse, a lot of them sport sub-4" barrels which immediately imparts two huge negatives: (1) horrific first-shot recoil and muzzle blast, which makes a quick and accurate follow-up shot under stress unlikely; and (2) most of the factory ammo produced for BBMRs is vetted with 6" or 8" factory "test barrels" (occasionally 5") in order to advertise impressive velocity and energy numbers on the box-flap (i.e., fps/fpe).
Yet the shorter barrels of the BBMRs actually being carried (or advertised for carry) into AK bear country yield reduced velocities behind the magnum's Big Fat Heavy bullet, and thus compromise the key to its stopping power, which is supposed to be: heavy and fast, ... not heavy and "sorta slow."
Between a hard-kicking 2" or 3" barreled 454 wheelie offering 5-/6-rounds on tap versus a 10mm G20 or long-slide G40, packing 15+1 200grn or 220grn coated Hard Cast slugs (@ 1250+fps and 1200+fps, respectively), it's a no-brainer ... for me at least.
Not to mention, if you ask local AK residents what they holster-up with when heading into the boonies where the big bad bruins roam, overwhelming they'll say it's a 10mm semi-auto of some flavor, and if they do own a BBMR, it's just a range toy or a happily-retired safe queen.
That’s the ticket… everyone screeches “10 MM!!!”, but when the rubber meets the road, it can’t compare to a .41, .44, .45, .454, etcThe OP lives in Mississippi and so far as I know the biggest beast he will run across are black bears and hogs. The 10mm or a good 357 mag should work fine for his area. A 44 mag SBH would be even better but way more expensive to feed. The OP has told me in emails he can't shoot a Glock or other autos IIRC. The OP really likes revolvers. If I had to make the choice I would use my 6" GP-100 or 44 mag Super Black Hawk. I already have them there isn't much a well loaded 44 mag won't kill. Those are my thoughts. Move to another area and the selection might change.
My bud has a Glock 20 in 10mm I have shot a few times. Its nice but I wasn't over whelmed by the power. I am sure it hits somewhat harder than a 357 but doesn't come close to a 41 or 44 mag in power. He doesn't shoot it much because he can't find ammo anywhere around him. He would buy it at about any price because he has less than half a box left. And money is not an issue with him.
He doesn't shoot it much because he can't find ammo anywhere around him.
But ive seen more 10mm in the past 6 months than I have 9, 40, 22, and 45 combined. It's online everywhere and didn't suffer from the price triple that 9mm, 380, or 22 did. It didn't go down any but didn't double either. Even cabelas had it. 10mm, 5.7 and a single box of 44 mag. Lol
If it'll break both shoulders of a 2000lb water buffalo, it'll break stuff going in and out of any bear that walks.I'm also not banking on blowing out a shoulder on a running hear with any handgun.
That's just not true. "Entry level rifles" (whatever that means) don't penetrate large, dangerous game to a depth measured in feet. If you're using energy as a guide, don't.I'm also not banking on blowing out a shoulder on a running hear with any handgun. The baddest handgun can only keep up with entry level rifle, generally.
I’m guessing the smiley face means you are not 100% serious, but I’ll bite.
I’m pretty sure the .22 accounts are included because it was a documented case and the author didn’t want to “cherry pick”.
Look, I’m not saying what anyone should do…but if all someone owns is a 9MM and they can shoot it well and secure good flat nose solid ammo, it’s better than nothing.
If it'll break both shoulders of a 2000lb water buffalo, it'll break stuff going in and out of any bear that walks.
"Entry level rifles" (whatever that means) don't penetrate large, dangerous game to a depth measured in feet. If you're using energy as a guide, don't.
If it'll break both shoulders of a 2000lb water buffalo, it'll break stuff going in and out of any bear that walks.
That's just not true. "Entry level rifles" (whatever that means) don't penetrate large, dangerous game to a depth measured in feet. If you're using energy as a guide, don't.
The OP lives in Mississippi and so far as I know the biggest beast he will run across are black bears and hogs. The 10mm or a good 357 mag should work fine for his area. A 44 mag SBH would be even better but way more expensive to feed. The OP has told me in emails he can't shoot a Glock or other autos IIRC. The OP really likes revolvers. If I had to make the choice I would use my 6" GP-100 or 44 mag Super Black Hawk. I already have them there isn't much a well loaded 44 mag won't kill. Those are my thoughts. Move to another area and the selection might change.
My bud has a Glock 20 in 10mm I have shot a few times. Its nice but I wasn't over whelmed by the power. I am sure it hits somewhat harder than a 357 but doesn't come close to a 41 or 44 mag in power. He doesn't shoot it much because he can't find ammo anywhere around him. He would buy it at about any price because he has less than half a box left. And money is not an issue with him.
YupSame guy different board, huh?
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It's comical the reasons people use to justify the 10mm as the be-all, end-all of outdoorsman cartridges. You're entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. FACT, a loaded Glock 20 weighs 40oz. Same as a 4" S&W 629 Mountain Gun. A 4" Redhawk, which is much more capable, is about 5oz heavier. So even the "revolvers are boat anchors" argument doesn't withstand much scrutiny. Further, I don't even know what sub-3" guns you're even talking about, other than the Ruger Alaskan.
Further, velocity is overrated. Any velocity loss when using a heavy for caliber hardcast bullet is irrelevant. It's the bullet that is the critical factor, anything over 1000fps is gravy. It's a joke that 10mm true believers would even make this argument because the 10mm is not exactly a speed demon. The 10mm is a fine cartridge but what it lacks is capacity. It doesn't have the capacity for the heavy bullets needed for this job. What is considered "heavy" in the 10mm, is standard weight in a revolver cartridge. Hell, a .41Special Colt SAA could match the 10mm's best loads, 30yrs ago. A 220gr 10mm is NOT a bear load. I don't care what ski patrol carries them or how many Cape buffalo that idiot Razor Dobbs has poked with them. It ain't enough and there's no way to make it enough. Sorry, bear loads begin with 320gr .44's and 335gr .45's. Going heavier to 355's and 360's respectively is not a bad idea either. I want to break a shoulder going in and a hip going out. These bullets will penetrate DOUBLE that of the best 10mm loads. Since we're not getting many exits on water buffalo with optimal bullets, you can bet your ass I'm not going any lighter. Read a few stories about bear maulings from people that lived and tell me again you want to compromise with the 10mm.
I don't pull any punches on this subject because people's lives could potentially depend on the choice they make. If you're carrying a 10mm for big bears, you're doing it because it's easy. Not because it's better or even good enough.
Let's also dispense with the idea that revolvers are painfully slow and 10mm autos are blazingly fast. It's nonsense.