The only reason I don't like their guns is because they make alot of guns with...lets say "borrowed" designs.
Has the boycott of S&W and Ruger ended?
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SabbathWolf
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I already said from a political stance I disagree with the locks.
I find it funny though that my single-action revolver, the least likely of the bunch to be interested in by a gangbanger...lol......is the "only" gun I own that has an internal lock anyways. It's also my only Ruger however too.
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I got rid of all my Rugers because of Bill's stunt and refused to buy any Smiths until well after they were sold by the British. Not buying Ruger products now is just a habit with me and I gave up on Smith again because of the stupid lock. Plenty of other options out there. No, I don't buy foreign guns either.
Penalizing myself and only myself in dumping guns I already own when a maker does something to annoy me politically strikes me as...only penalizing myself.
An extreme "statement" that...only penalizes myself.
Not buying NEW for the duration, I can understand.
I avoided working with S&W till their Clinton Agreement was dead, and cancelled a project I'd just started when they announced that agreement, but I have very effective tools from both S&W and Ruger that can't be duplicated as efficiently for me by any other maker, and I would not deprive myself of those just to make a point that nobody but me would notice, thereby...only penalizing myself.
Denis
An extreme "statement" that...only penalizes myself.
Not buying NEW for the duration, I can understand.
I avoided working with S&W till their Clinton Agreement was dead, and cancelled a project I'd just started when they announced that agreement, but I have very effective tools from both S&W and Ruger that can't be duplicated as efficiently for me by any other maker, and I would not deprive myself of those just to make a point that nobody but me would notice, thereby...only penalizing myself.
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It's kind of funny that people complain only about S&W internal locks.
Of all the complaints I've heard about Taurus, I've never once heard a person complaining that Taurus handguns often come with internal locks. Both of my Taurus semi-autos (bought new) have locks.
The S&W I have with a lock is one of my best shooters, and haven't had a lock failure or malfunction.
Of all the complaints I've heard about Taurus, I've never once heard a person complaining that Taurus handguns often come with internal locks. Both of my Taurus semi-autos (bought new) have locks.
The S&W I have with a lock is one of my best shooters, and haven't had a lock failure or malfunction.
gunsnsprinkles
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I would buy a Smith or Ruger any day. They are good company's and take care of their customers unlike Kahr. [had to get that plus in. LOL Smith was owned by a English company and now has been sold. Reagan was for the Brady bill, and personally I dropped the NRA because of them bringing on board people like Ted Nugent who do much more to damage gun owners than ten Bill Clinton's. Nugent's mouth saying things like America will be a burb of Asia or holding up an AR and saying Hillary take a ride on this and firring blanks from a M2 saying Reno can kiss a** does not help us and makes non guns owners look at the rest of us with a see I knew gun owners were crazy nut jobs. Nugent is a good guitar player and never could sing worth a tinkers darn. Thats why he needed people like Tommy Shaw in the damn Yankees to pull that off. Any way the NRA has gone off the reservation with Obama is just waiting to put us all in concentration camps bla bla bla. I agree with all politicians some and disagree with all politicians some. As Ed Koch used to say if you agree with me 70 % of the time vote for me, if you agree 100% of the time see a psychiatrist.
swiftak
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Guess I missed the boycott thing and I live a 1/2 hour from Ruger.
NMPOPS
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What exactly are those borrowed designs. 1911s? ARs? Everybody & their mother makes em. Several companies copy S&W . Also I have a 638 and a 642 with the lock, disconnected it and a non issue. I do agree that on the K Frames and standard J frames the lock has changed the lines of the gun and ruined the looks. So no new Ks or 637s for me.
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rromeo
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From the beginning Ruger has made their guns reminiscent of what GIs might see as war trophies or what they were using.
Recently, they've been making improved knock-offs of Kel-Tecs.
I won't buy any S&W product (including the M&P AR's) because of the internal locks on revolvers; if I bought a S&W product I would be supporting the IL philosophy.
I bought a Ruger LCP when they first came out, no IL. Ruger subsequently stuck internal locks on some of their products.
No more Rugers for me either.
I'll keep the little LCP just like I kept my early 1990's no lock Jframe; they will not be sold out of principle.
Glocks are my favorite, they make pistols with internal locks, but it is a specified option (as it should be).
Dan Wesson, Les Baer, Ed Brown are all acceptable for full size 1911's.
Kahr is acceptable.
Springfield 1911's: they have an IL in the mainspring housing, but this part can be easily removed and replaced with an appropriate (non IL) MSH; the XD pistols do not have an IL. Springfield will even do the change (for $) if you send the pistol (1911) to them; since it can be removed and Springfield will even do it... acceptable.
Edit: Kel-Tec is also acceptable.
I bought a Ruger LCP when they first came out, no IL. Ruger subsequently stuck internal locks on some of their products.
No more Rugers for me either.I'll keep the little LCP just like I kept my early 1990's no lock Jframe; they will not be sold out of principle.
Glocks are my favorite, they make pistols with internal locks, but it is a specified option (as it should be).
Dan Wesson, Les Baer, Ed Brown are all acceptable for full size 1911's.
Kahr is acceptable.
Springfield 1911's: they have an IL in the mainspring housing, but this part can be easily removed and replaced with an appropriate (non IL) MSH; the XD pistols do not have an IL. Springfield will even do the change (for $) if you send the pistol (1911) to them; since it can be removed and Springfield will even do it... acceptable.
Edit: Kel-Tec is also acceptable.
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CZ-100
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Never knew there was a boycott..
I purchased 4 new Ruger's in the past 2 years and have been VERY Happy will all of them.
I purchased 4 new Ruger's in the past 2 years and have been VERY Happy will all of them.
As has been stated, s&w is selling no-lock revolvers again.
I have no idea how NOT buying a no-lock revolver just like you won't buy a lock revolver is sending any kind of understandable message. Again, you can't train someone or something when you punish them the same for doing right as when they do wrong. ESPECIALLY when you're buying a springfield that comes with a lock that has to be removed. What kind of message are you sending springfield? Screw your guns up all you want, I'll buy them anyway and try to make them right myself or go to the trouble of having someone else do it.
I have no idea how NOT buying a no-lock revolver just like you won't buy a lock revolver is sending any kind of understandable message. Again, you can't train someone or something when you punish them the same for doing right as when they do wrong. ESPECIALLY when you're buying a springfield that comes with a lock that has to be removed. What kind of message are you sending springfield? Screw your guns up all you want, I'll buy them anyway and try to make them right myself or go to the trouble of having someone else do it.
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I am relatively new to handguns but have had shotguns and rifles for over 50 years. About 25 years ago I bought a 357 Rossi for personal protection and something my wife could shoot and learn with. Since then in the past 2 or 3 years I have purchased about a dozen different handguns and the only one I have with a lock is a Walther P22. While I have had good luck with the P22, I did have some problems with the locking mechanism and there will be no more guns with locks for me. So I guess what I am trying to say is I will "boycott" guns with a lock system built into it. Also something that hasn't been mentioned in the posts so far regarding Ruger/S&W caving into the pressure from the Government is the pressure that the feds can and will put on companies to get them to comply with their wishes. It is our job to put the pressure on the politicians to comply with OUR wishes and we are not doing a good enough job of turning over the compost heap in our Capitols, both fed and state.
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Who doesn't nowadays? Most pistols use the browning short recoil operation and are striker fired.
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Bmont, i have four guns with built in locks. a cricket .22lr i bought for my daughter, a walther p22 .22lr i bought for my daughter, and a ruger lcr .22lr i bought for my daughter. all these guns are plinker training guns, not defensive pieces so the built in lock is tolorable because if it messes up it wont cost anybody their life.
i bought a ruger LC9 a while back, did not know it had the built in lock when i got it. id gladly trade it for a kel-tec pf9 right now.
i bought a ruger LC9 a while back, did not know it had the built in lock when i got it. id gladly trade it for a kel-tec pf9 right now.
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So, in other words, you are boycotting an entire company because they make a number of products designed to appeal to a specific sub group of gun owners you do not happen to belong to?
That's like saying you refuse to buy a Ford F350 because you don't like the fact that Ford also makes hybrid cars designed to cater to the environmental crowd.
That said, you're certainly entitled to your opinion, but I see nothing positive to be gained by your insistence on tilting at such a ridiculous windmill.
rromeo
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Are you guys boycotting M&M/Mars for not selling King Size candy bars? They caved in to M. Obama.
I hope people understand that we are talking about gun companies. Some people act like they are true antis. If Ruger and S&W were against gun ownership they are completely failing at that cause.
These companies must make sound business decisions also. It would not do the gun community any good if companies like Ruger go out of business because of a lawsuit.
IMHO some people take the your with us or against us thing a little too far. Keeping our rights hinge on keeping the number of gun owners growing. This is not an overnight process. Unfortunately in a democracy compromise is unavoidable. IMHO most of what is wrong in politics. Is a failure to compromise.
Let Ruger put LCI on guns so they can be sold in California. Maybe we can get enough new shooters in California to eventually change the laws.
These companies must make sound business decisions also. It would not do the gun community any good if companies like Ruger go out of business because of a lawsuit.
IMHO some people take the your with us or against us thing a little too far. Keeping our rights hinge on keeping the number of gun owners growing. This is not an overnight process. Unfortunately in a democracy compromise is unavoidable. IMHO most of what is wrong in politics. Is a failure to compromise.
Let Ruger put LCI on guns so they can be sold in California. Maybe we can get enough new shooters in California to eventually change the laws.
Come on, the IL on S&W revolvers did not get started because it appealed to potential gun owners.
If that were so, the 10 round 1994 magazine restriction was the result of artificial lower capacity appealing to gun owners.
I do not consider spending my money on products (firearms) made by companies that do not cave in to political pressure ridiculous; besides that, Glocks and the 1911's I mentioned (own) are 1st rate firearms. I did not have to settle for 2nd best due to principle.
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