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Heated arguement about concealed carry

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by sxechainsaw, Sep 27, 2010.

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  1. sxechainsaw

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    So a little background about me I'm a 18 year old with a fresh new CCW of about a month or so. I carry when it's law abiding and so on and so forth.

    Now I have dinner at my moms place tonight and I start talking about my concealed pistol. First of all my moms not completely anti gun but she doesn't understand my love with them at all. BUT I'm not allowed to carry in her household thanks to my step father. But I still honor it,

    So we start discussing and he thinks that because I'm a "dumb teenager" that I'm "endangering other people by having a concealed firearm." I ask him why. He brings up a scenario of an attacker coming at me with a knife and me pulling out my weapon and since I have a weapon he'll either get more angry and attack me rather than just robbing me or he'll pull out his own gun and shoot me.

    AND THEN his second scenario is that I'm in a dark alley and an attacker comes at me, my life is in extreme danger, I pull out my firearm, fire, and miss and hit and innocent bystander. So according to him I'm a danger to others by carrying.

    And his last argument is that he sees no reason at all for me carrying a concealed weapon.

    This thread is part rant part question. Why do you carry? Would you see these scenarios as a legitimate argument?

    Any input is highly appreciated.


    Edit: My apologies for the large amount of grammatical errors.
     
  2. happygeek

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    If it's true that there's no reason to carry, then his two scenarios can't happen. If there's a chance you might be attacked by a knife wielding madmen, then you should be carrying.

    Ask him if he's willing to bet his life on his mixed martial arts skills against a knife wielding attacker.
     
  3. springmom

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    Wait a minute. Where are you legally allowed to carry at 18?

    Jan
     
  4. Hanzo581

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    He gives you two exact reasons why you SHOULD be carrying, then one his third point contradicts it?

    He seems like a smart one.
     
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    i wish i knew where you lived 3 years ago as i would move there but now that i turn 21 in a month i guess its a moot point now lol
     
  6. sxechainsaw

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    I live in the great state of south dakota
     
  7. surjimmy

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    I'm with springmom, where can you carry at the age of 18?:what:
     
  8. danprkr

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    Sounds like a combination of no one should carry, and his wife's 18 y/o brat shouldn't carry. Either way the only way to deal with it is to ignore it, and live your life as a responsible adult. Either he'll come around or not. Either way it's not something you can control. Good luck.
     
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    he's probably from Vermont or something, lucky sob

    -kirk

    EDIT: dang fast reply from op, well either way you're lucky
     
  10. TexasGunbie

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    Here's the conversation I had with my buddy the other day.

    Friend: Why do you carry? it just makes things worse.

    Friend: If someone come robs you and he has a gun, you should call 911.

    Me: Wouldn't it be better if I have a gun so I can defend myself, in case the cops doesn't get here first?

    Friend: That would just make it worse, if you didn't have a gun, he wouldn't want to shoot you, now you have one, he will have to shoot you.

    Me: How you know he wasn't going to shoot me anyways.

    Friend: It's just COMMON SENSE, he just wants money, he would leave once he got the money.

    Me: That doesn't make sense, if he's bold enough to come rob you with a gun, he's bold enough to shoot it.

    Then my girlfriend had to butt in.

    Girlfriend: Honey, promise me you won't kill him, just shoot him in the leg or shoot the gun out of his hand.

    Me: So I shoot his leg while he shoots me in the face?

    Girlfriend: I don't see why you have to shoot to kill...

    Me: Yeah yeah.. I'll just shoot off his trigger finger.

    I lost respect for my gf after that, I think she's kinda dumb. Anyways, I am sure someone had similar conversations with their love ones before too lol.
     
  11. Hanzo581

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    I love how anti's always think they know the intention of criminals, cause of course criminals don't just kill people for the sake of killing them...nope...never happens. They all just want your money and will promptly leave after getting it.
     
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    I used to work at a hospital in Pheonix. I've seen plenty of people come in with GSWs who were unarmed. Sometimes they lived, sometimes not. If going by your stepfather's logic, why were they shot? I've been around a lot of craziness in my life and known people who were killed. About a year ago a guy was stabbed 15 feet where I work and was unarmed. Maybe if some of these people were armed they would still be alive. It's in no way a sure thing that they would have leved, but at least they would have had a chance.
     
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    Its none of your stepfather's business if you're carrying or not. Don't pay attention to his nonsense. The argument that you describe sounds like its resulting from raw bigotry on his part, but I wasn't there so I can't wholly judge that.
    If I encounter a situation where raw bigotry is evident, I just end the conversation with something to the extent of "Stop the bigotry and do some research, or don't bother pretending to have a discussion with an educated participant."
     
  16. archigos

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    I second NavyLT's post. Gunfacts.info is awesome, and thats a great place to direct him for research.
     
  17. springmom

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    Well, cool. Texas is so behind.

    Now, to the point. There are two issues. First, he's got silly reasons against concealed carry. He might come around by getting more education on the subject (lots of folks do) or he might not. However, second issue: he's not going to get it from you. Fair or not, like it or not, parental units (of which I am one) have a tendency to get very deaf when their offspring try to teach them something. I am sure my kids would tell you that I have done that even though I try really hard not to; I know bloody well that my 84-year old dad STILL does it to me, even though I'm 55! You are never not a kid to your parents. :rolleyes:

    Depending on whether your stepdad is a magazine or book reader, you might be able to leave some reading materials around (American Hunter if he hunts, or First Freedoms, both from the NRA...or some of the very good books on self defense that are out there). You might, over time, win him over by example. If you are respectful of your parents' house rules that will help. If you get through the next few years with no problems with your firearms (no NDs!), likewise. If you can eventually take him out to the range to shoot with you, that might be good too.

    But the one thing you will NOT be able to do successfully is argue with him about this. Lots of folks will be happy to feed you one liners and commiserate with you about how stupid your stepdad is, blah blah blah. Not helpful. You have to get along with this guy and you want to *win him over*, not just win an argument at the dinner table.

    Jan
     
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    Sxechainsaw, sounds like you kept a cool head and were more sensible than the older man. Well done.

    And smart to come here and ask....people here will provide you with the info and examples you need to discuss the issue constructively with anti-gun people.

    I tell people about my (ongoing) training and the types of circumstances that I am legally allowed to use my gun. And that it is not my only solution to crime....just one. That if I use it, there is no other choice to save my life.
     
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    The OP said it was a concealed handgun. In Virginia, you have to be 21 years to get a concealed handgun permit. Its right on the form SP-248 "Application For Concealed Handgun Permit Commonwealth of Virginia, Virginia Code 18.2-308 item #2 Date of Birth (You must be at least 21 years of age)".
     
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    No personal offense intended with this comment, but his best argument would be that you are "a dumb teenager".
    When you become 18 it does not magically turn you into a mature adult who will act responsibly with a firearm. It takes maturity and experience, not a date on the calender.
     
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    I never understood the "just call the police!" mindset. You call the police BECAUSE they have guns. If they didn't have guns, you wouldn't bother calling them, you would call someone who DID have a gun. So in an emergency, instead of waiting for someone who does have a gun to show up when they get around to it, why not just cut out the middleman and carry your own gun?
     
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    But the OP could open carry in Virginia at 18.
     
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    :scrutiny:

    There is no arguing with such logic. Best to keep quiet, nod your head, and worry yourself with things that actually matter.
     
  24. Ramman911

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    Well, they are not in Virginia.

    OP - good job keeping a rational conversation with an uneducated individual. Hopefully in time he will come around and heaven forbid that you are around when he may be in a life/death situation. Bet he would change his story PDQ!!!
     
  25. e3mrk

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    My question is how You were able to buy a Hand Gun when Federal Law says You must be 21?
    I got this out of My BATF Book.
     
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