Here’s what a Hornady critical defense looks like with the red wadding pulled out.

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  1. daniel craig

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    So I decided for S&Gs to see what the bullet would look like with the red rubber anti-snag wadding out.

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  2. WheelGunMan

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    Kind of looks like a flower!
     
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    Damn, are those edges as sharp as they look!?!?!?
     
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    interesting

    I always imagined it would look like an XTP

    ....it does not.

    :)
     
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    Pretty darned neat.
     
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    It looks like that .380 ammo Federal is making that expands very little, but penetrates well.
     
  7. daniel craig

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    The outside edges? Not really. They’re just scraped up because taking the wadding out was difficult.
     
  8. daniel craig

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    I’d love to get my hands on some ballistic gel to see how it expands.
     
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    Back in the day, like early last century, hollow points were called “dum dum” bullets and I seem to recall were actually illegal for a time or at least banned for military use.

    The name comes from Dum Dum India where a British Army officer came up with the concept.
     
  10. Llew Taranau

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    Hollow points still against int'l military conventions.
    I remember when people talked about DumDums as being soft lead nosed rounds with an X filed into them to enhance expansion.
     
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    I believe that is the Geneva convention. And the USA didn’t sign if memory serves me correctly.
     
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    Also location of ammo factory I think.
    ;)
     
  13. Riomouse911

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    1899 Hague Convention covered land warfare including ammunition restrictions.... and the US didn’t sign on to this part.

    1907 Hague was primarily naval in scope.

    Geneva was an addendum in 1925 regarding poison gas... if I recall correctly.

    Stay safe.
     
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    The shape of the unfired bullet makes sense, as the expanded one has the “six-petal flower” look that matches the folds in the nose.

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    It’s pretty cool how their engineers figured out how to keep the nose from plugging up with stuff and instead use the polymer plug to squish and start the expansion.

    I went to a Hornady ammo demo a year or so after they started marketing these rounds. All of them from .380 to .45 ACP did a great job consistently performing through cloth, leather jacket material etc. I carried these fir a long time, only recently swapping to Federal micro HST in my carry 9mms.

    Stay safe.
     
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    Why the switch?
     
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    I like the Hornady FTX bullet. I think it will be considered as one of the more successful designs like the Federal HST and Winchester Silvertip.
     
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    There are plenty of recipes on the web.
    Beware, the gelatin will become a Petrie dish.
     
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    It was three years in my guns on the Hornady loads, so it was time to swap out. I saw the HST micro got great performance reviews out of micro pistols like my Micro 9 and LC 9 so I swapped those guns out to the HST Micro. :thumbup:

    I feel well armed with either load.

    Stay safe.
     
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    The U.S. never signed; however................
    After World War II, the judges of the military tribunal of the Trial of German Major War Criminals at Nuremberg Trials found that by 1939, the rules laid down in the 1907 Hague Convention were recognised by all civilised nations and were regarded as declaratory of the laws and customs of war. Under this post-war decision, a country did not have to have ratified the 1907 Hague Convention in order to be bound by them.
     
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    “Laws and Customs of War.”That’s an interesting way of laying out ways to kill and maim in a gentlemanly manner I guess. No DumDum’s but bouncing Betties, Napalm and flame throwers are perfectly all right. Just freaking weird.

    Apologies, totally off thread here. :(
     
  21. Rule3

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    I carry critical DUTY

    FWIW






    And the winner is??? Drum Roll please!!!:)


     
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    Both the Duty and Defense loads are very good, Hornady did a great job developing these bullet-load combos. You picked a fantastic round to protect you and yours with.... hopefully we all will never be placed in the position to have to use them against a violent assault :thumbup:.

    Stay safe.
     
  23. Rule3

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    135 gr +P. If they don't work OH Well My day is over!:)

    These days one must be very careful with who they shoot (more so than ever) About all I can say here!.

    But I have Gold Dots and Winchester, don't think it makes much difference, I am not a ballistic gel guru and how pretty the petals are.:)
     
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    Ya, any premium defensive ammo will probably be just as effective as the next one, Win SXT, Fed HST, V Crown, Gold Dot, Golden Saber, Critical D, Hydra Shok. etc. As long as it’s reliable in your gun, and the bullets go where they need to, you’re going to be in good company with any of them when things go bad.

    Stay safe.
     
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    Interesting. And thanks for spending about $3 to share lol!
     
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