High Fenced Ranch

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keano44

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High Game Fenced Ranches...What do you think?

An unexpected opportunity came up for me last week. A company with which I do a fair amount of business with in my job, called and offered me a hunting trip to a high fenced ranch (400-450 acres) in Texas, west of Waco, 100 miles south of Dallas. At first, I was going to decline, because I had promised my son to take him on the youth hunt, which was going to be the same weekend, at my hunting lease (Louisiana), and he would have a good chance to kill his first deer, as we've been seeing does out of my box stand every time we go. But the guy said, "Bring your son, too." Hard to pass up an offer like that.
I must explain, the guy offering the hunt is also somewhat related and a good friend of my family (my first cousin's husband.) When another person canceled on the hunt, at the last minute, my father was invited to take his place. Wow, a dream come true hunt; three generations on a once in a lifetime hunt.
The first morning of the hunt, a great nine point buck came to the feeder we were watching, and after the "go ahead" from the ranch owner, my son shot his first deer, which ended up scoring 124+ B&C gross. I was able to get it all on video. Two or three hours later that morning, while driving around in the jeep looking for a certain 10-point buck the owner had in mind for me, we topped a hill, and there he was. I shot a beautiful 157 B&C gross, typical, out of the back of the jeep, resting my rifle on the roll bar. Later that afternoon, in another blind overlooking a feeder, I videoed my father's kill, an awesome 9-pointer, 141+ B&C gross. "Big D", our host had also got one that afternoon, a 10-pointer, 142+ B&C gross. These deer, which he would allow us to shoot, were all 5-1/2 yr. old, approximately 220 lb.
Getting to the point of this long story; for me, who has been deer hunting my whole life (40 yrs. old), I mean really having to hunt, this was more of a deer "shooting" than hunting. Although the buck I shot is the best I have ever taken, and very possibly the best I will ever take, there have been does and even button bucks which I've killed in the past which have more meaning to me, because of the challenges of those hunts where it was my wits against theirs, or a bow kill, or my first handgun kill with my own reloaded bullets, etc...
However, the experience of being on this hunt with my father, who had never killed a buck, and my 14 year old son, for his first deer, was like a dream come true. (I have always hoped to be with my son when he got his first one. And to top it all off, I was able to video both of their kills. This is something I will never forget. I plan to have all of the heads mounted, so we will all remember the occasion of our "big time hunting trip."
 
Sounds like a pretty good time, congrats on the deer.

Just out of curiosity, if you like the challenge of open land better, and your really into the family thing, why didn't you just take your dad and son to your lease:confused:
 
Red,
I do. We often get together to hunt, and I take my son with me often. I guess what I meant was, this was an opportunity that dosen't come along often (ever before) for us. This is a hunt that neither myself, nor my father would ever have been able to afford, unless we won the lottery.
 
Well it looks like this hunt will mean something to you even if it was more deer shooting than hunting. Don't knock it, make up some good lies about how you had to climb three mountains to get your buck or something.:D
 
Don't get me wrong, the experience of this hunt, with my father and son will always be cherished.
I just wanted to get other views on hunting high game fenced deer.
The kill can be a bit hollow when it is virtually guaranteed. As the owner of the company that provided the hunt said,"If you don't get one after the first morning hunt or that afternoon's hunt; it's no use going out the next morning, because you can't shoot.":)
 
There can be significant differences in fenced areas.

Lots of African game ranches are in the many thousands of acres. Hard to make a case for it being any different than a non-fenced area.

Some fenced "hunting" operations are on very small properties. Hard to make a case for those even starting to approach "fair chase."

Will B&C or P&Y recognize trophies taken from fenced areas?




Scott
 
For 450 acres, I'd think the "fair chase" part of the deal would be the amount of the land that has brush and trees, and how thick they are. In general, the purpose of the high fence is to keep other deer out, in order to control the numbers on your own place.

When you go to the trouble to augment water supplies, and plant special growies to the benefit of your herd, and then take the time and expend the effort to get that herd down to or below the carrying capacity of the range, you have a sizable investment in time and money. What you don't want is deer coming to the "buffet" from neighboring ranches.

I grant that 450 acres is on the small side, but that's why I brought up the issue of cover. I've seen pastures smaller than that where you'd work your tail off just in the hope of finding a deer.

There's a difference, also, between riding around and/or hunting over feeders, and doing the walking/stalking thing.

As usual, there's no "one size fits all" in this deal...

:), Art
 
Here is what I see in your experience .

The folks that run this operation MANAGE their herd for high quality animals. You got the results.
Big healthy animals moving calmly about and a man with you that knows what he has and where they are.
Fenses, aside for making good neighbors, help keep the hogs off the feeders (and from goobering up a place in general) and help the managers keep up with what is on their land and how the population in general is doing. Looks like they are doing a fair job on this deer patch and the critters are too :)

Fenses also help the owner manage the shooters.
Many will think the calmness they see in the herd as indicative of shooting fish in a barrel. Not so, at least in MO. He was picking your shots and the animals you took but you had to do the job right. My guess is the owners management plan involves culling some of the does and some of the spikes that aren't making the grade. He has food plots and minerals out and controls the fire ants and a bunch of other stuff needed to put the deer in the quality range you were able to take. Managing the shooters also means you were safe. I mean, was being shot at on your mind. If it was public land (and unfortunatley many leases) it sure should have been>

What makes deer scared and jumpy and hard to find and hit is what happens in unmanaged areas where every bubba in the world can run his 4 wheeler day and night and burn up ten boxes of shells shooting at squirrels and...well we've all hunted public land.

If you are looking for smaller, jumpy deer with the mindset of a much-shot-at VC soldier, Texas has some public land that's loaded with plenty of small does you can take a pop at. I'm not too sure the gut busting experience of getting one of those critters in my PU gives me all that much of a sense of pride or accomplishment. Been there done that all too many times and it just seems like working hard but not maybe too smart and in a place where some nimrod might just part my hair with a 30-06.

I'm headed down San Angelo way this weekend and I hope like the dickens I see something as nice as the deer you got. I do know the following:
It will be safe
The deer will not be wearing ghillie suits
I will a comfortable place to sit with my kiddo
I will get a nice deer that I won't have to chase all over creation.

But that's just me.

Take care,

S-
 
Art,
I would have loved to try the walk/stalk type of hunt you mentioned. It wasn't offered there. There was plenty of cedar/scrub oak cover for the deer on the hillsides, thus, the 2-3 hours it took for me to get the deer the owner had in mind for me. A shot dosen't get taken without his "nod". The challenge wasn't in finding deer, I saw probably 50-60 bucks that day; but the shot I had to make was quick, because the deer didn't hang around when the jeep stopped. He could have been up and over the side of the hill, and into the cover in a second, had I not made a quick shot. The other deer, shot at the feeders, were easier, I will admit. They are used to coming to these feeders every day at these certain times. I also realize, that even though this may seem easy for me, I don't mean to take anything away from my son's experience of killing his first deer. I was as proud as could be; and while filming it, I was as nervous as the time I killed my own first deer, again. I could feel my heart pounding in my chest, waiting for the shot (the buck was amongst other deer, and it took a while for a clear, broadside shot), hoping it would be a good hit. I new he could do it as he has been shooting with me quite often, but when the target is real for the first time...

Self,
You are right, on all counts. This ranch is managed just as you described. He is running a business to make a profit, and prices his deer by their antler size (B&C gross).
 
One thing to always remember about any sort of ranching (or farming) is that the ad valorem tax collectors are totally unconcerned about the profitability of the operation. Hunter success is necessary, which is why, in this day and age of "city folks" hunters, these ranches sometimes seem a bit "over-managed" to more experienced hunters.

Art
 
Shooting a deer by a feeder is no different than shooting one under an oak tree thats dropping acorns or shooting one in a field of clover.You find their food source and wait.
400 acres is a decent size hunting area(at least around here)so it doesn't sound like a shooting gallery to me.Now if you walked into a fenced in yard to shoot a hand fed deer:scrutiny:
 
keano, I'll put into words what I think you're thinking: Yes, the fact that the shoot took place in a fenced enclave does diminish the experience somewhat. But the fact that you were able to have a three-generation shoot with that level of success, well, most all of us would jump at the chance. It was what it was, and you certainly don't have to feel apologetic. Just be glad you were able to do it. The whole managed or guaranteed hunt thing is becoming very popular these days, and I know lots of good hunters who do it when their time is limited.
 
I hunt here and there in an area of some 60,000 acres. Sparse, very sparse deer population, but there are some very big bucks back there. I gotta admit that there are times when the "Thrill of the Hunt" would instantly give way to the "Thrill of the Find". Five to fifteen miles a day of walking, and sometimes not even seeing a deer, can make an old fella get weary.

Dunno that I'd ever settle for a "canned hunt", but riding around "smaller" country and seeing something nice does have its attractions. :D

Art
 
It seems to me like comparing fishing a trout pond to an open stream, but that is just me.
 
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Bad analogy, pdog. You don't present the right bait, neither place will produce. Let the wind shift or the weather change, and you'd swear there ain't a deer in the whole pasture...

Besides, you have a kid going after his first deer, and a grampaw. I figure the best thing is that you try to give the kid a positive attitude about huntin', and you don't try to beat the old guy to death with a bunch of fighting through brush.

Doesn't matter, anyway. It was a day spent outdoors, and folks got hold of some nice deer. Yummy-tasty is its own excuse, and the fellowship and grins just put frosting on the cake.

:), Art
 
I went on a "canned" hunt several years ago. A guy who offers pheasant hunts had too many birds and offered a buddy and I 20 birds for $200. He released them on the river bottom in the morning and we went after them with dogs in the afternoon. I think we got 16 of the birds.

Now I can't say that it was equal to open field hunting in Kansas or Nebraska, but it sure beat a day at work. :D

Actually, I read an article a few years ago stating that these hunts were a wave of the future. People have less time and less access to public land than they used to , and it's just going to get worse. I live on the Arkansas river bottoms east of Pueblo. I have seen at least two articles saying that the next record whitetail will come from this area. Trouble is, virtually all of the river bottom from Pueblo east to Kansas is private.
 
Well there is always value in spending time with the family. And I am not saying there is anything wrong with it. One of my earliest memories of fishing was at a trout pond near Oak Ridge, TN. It was fun and I caught a few fish(my dad had to pay for em). And it sure didn't ruin me to "real fishin". Athough I think trot lining may have.
pdog
 
Trotlining is sorta the meat-hunting version of fishing. :) It's best done as a social event, or family affair, so long as one doesn't overindulge in "favorite beverages" and turn the boat over. :D

My father and uncle and I were working a trotline on the Guadalupe River, one night. I was just a little kid. As we drifted down, a big old owl hooted as we passed under his tree. I danged near levitated right out of the boat! There's more than one way to find excitement, outdoors...

:), Art
 
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