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tommy.duncan
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I want to thank all those who responded. I really appreciate all the advice. Now I gotta go to all those gun stores and start handling all those shotguns...Damn!!
Home Defense Shotgun: Mossberg 590 or Remington 870
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leadcounsel
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I have and rely on both shotguns. Main difference is the Mossy is aluminum and abit lighter for all day carry. The safety location on the Mossy would be more difficult to operate with a pistol grip, but easier in my view for a rifle grip.
I have and rely on both shotguns. Main difference is the Mossy is aluminum and abit lighter for all day carry. The safety location on the Mossy would be more difficult to operate with a pistol grip, but easier in my view for a rifle grip.
wunderkind
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The Mossy has some advantages for defense or combat that make absolutely no difference for hunting or gaming.
*in battery, the shell lifter is out of the way
*you don't have to break your firing grip to operate the safety
*ambi safety by design
*intuitive safety--push the button in the direction you want the shot charge or slug to go
*two extractors. Not that the Remmy's 1 is a huge issue, but built-in redundancy is not a bad thing
*6-shot sidesaddles fit without modifying the slide
*you don't have to break a firing grip to release the action
In my experience, newer shooters or folks that don't shoot much seem to like the Mossy. Those who grew up around firearms & were handed their grandpa's 870 when they were 10 prefer Remington. No science there, just observation.
Either is customizable up-the-wazoo. Lights, slings, forends, stocks, sky's the limit either way.
*in battery, the shell lifter is out of the way
*you don't have to break your firing grip to operate the safety
*ambi safety by design
*intuitive safety--push the button in the direction you want the shot charge or slug to go
*two extractors. Not that the Remmy's 1 is a huge issue, but built-in redundancy is not a bad thing
*6-shot sidesaddles fit without modifying the slide
*you don't have to break a firing grip to release the action
In my experience, newer shooters or folks that don't shoot much seem to like the Mossy. Those who grew up around firearms & were handed their grandpa's 870 when they were 10 prefer Remington. No science there, just observation.
Either is customizable up-the-wazoo. Lights, slings, forends, stocks, sky's the limit either way.
LeonCarr
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Right handed - Remington 870
Southpaw or Ambidextrous - Mossberg 590 due to tang safety location
Either one, in bone stock confirguration, will handle 99% of the social situations you will ever encounter.
Just my .02,
LeonCarr
Southpaw or Ambidextrous - Mossberg 590 due to tang safety location
Either one, in bone stock confirguration, will handle 99% of the social situations you will ever encounter.
Just my .02,
LeonCarr
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Mossberg sells a combo gun, comes with 18 & 28 inch barrels. Big 5 in california has them on sale every few months. The cheapest is a blued finish, goes for $300. Neither barrel has modular chokes though.
Once or twice a year, they will have a sale on the Mossberg 500 camoflage combo. I just picked that up. Sale price is $370. The long barrel is ported and has 3 choke tubes. It has an adjustable trigger. All parts have the Realtree camo finish on them.
I hope to shoot it this weekend. For $70 more, its a good deal.
Once or twice a year, they will have a sale on the Mossberg 500 camoflage combo. I just picked that up. Sale price is $370. The long barrel is ported and has 3 choke tubes. It has an adjustable trigger. All parts have the Realtree camo finish on them.
I hope to shoot it this weekend. For $70 more, its a good deal.
ElToro
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the inherent design flaw of the moss 500 is the safety when racking that slide hard it can be jarred loose into safe. not a good thing to happen during high stress situations. a mere annoyance when shooting skeet doubles. i got rid of my 500 because it happened about every other shot and i didnt want to remove the safety altogether.
i just picked up an Ilion made 870 express with wood furniture for 200 used. heck that chokes 28 inch barrel is worth 125$. older wingmasters can be found in the 300 range. i'd prefer the chrome bolt and metal trigger guard assembly, magnum receiver optional
i just picked up an Ilion made 870 express with wood furniture for 200 used. heck that chokes 28 inch barrel is worth 125$. older wingmasters can be found in the 300 range. i'd prefer the chrome bolt and metal trigger guard assembly, magnum receiver optional
evan price
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El Toro, you had a problem with your safety. I own and shoot mossbergs, I have *never* seen that problem. The only way I could envision it would be under recoil, the safety pops back and that would only happen if the ball detent mechanism was worn or had parts missing.
WALKERs210
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Last year I purchased a youth model 870 in 20ga for my grandson. One thing I liked about it was the adapters that mount on butt to either shorten or lengthen. My wife and her first (late) husband never even allowed a bb gun in their home. That was then this is now, tease her that she now has Alabama mud on her and it don't wash off. Her go to HD gun is a Mossberg 500C with a pistol grip, no other bells and whistles but I did add a flashlight on tube just in case of. Recently I picked up another 500C that has the breacher barrel, pressure switched light, reflex sight mounted on rail on top of receiver. The Mossberg has been around I think since he beginning of time, easy to operate and like others have said I think the safety on top of tang is the best. But everyone has their own preference. I recently visited a gun shop in Hoover Al that will rent anything from pistols, rifles and full auto. I like this because the wife can rent, try out a different model without having to buy it and then find out its not what you thought it would be. Wish I had found a place like this many years ago, would have saved a lot of money in the long run.
Kuyong_Chuin
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You might want to check out the Stevens security combo http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/7-G19490 you are getting two guns in one at less than half the price of one Mossberg 500 or Remington 870 combo. Take the extra $260 and buy more ammo or a second Stevens combo and still have money left over for a box or two of ammo.
tnxdshooter
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I've never had that happen even with shooting it fast not have I ever heard of that happening. Nor do I believe its ever happened.
Sent from my mind using ninja telepathy.
ElToro
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calling me a liar ? thanks. i bought the 500 NIB with a 28 inch barrel i was doing a lot of skeet shooing with it. granted i never sent it to the maker for a fix, multiple shops recommended drilling it out and going with no safety. i didnt think that was a great idea. i could demonstrate making it pop off just under heavy racking during dry fire. maybe i had a lemon. regardless i got rid of it and i still think its a poor design. glad you have good luck with yours
The problem with that is that in a defense situation you should never be looking at the gun as your eyes should always be looking in the direction of the threat...exactly where it's pointing. Ask any bird hunter and they'll tell ya that if you look back at the gun while swinging at your dinner it's likely gonna fly away after the shot.
Now that's exactly the problem that I do have with the mossberg. There is absolutely no way to disengage the safety from the firing position without breaking your grip. Now if you push it off before the gun hits your shoulder all is well, but then you may be pointing a loaded shotgun RTF at the wrong person. Take an 870 and put a snap cap in it and point the shotgun at your pretend target and push the safety off and pull the trigger. It's so fast that you can only hear the hammer shove the firing pin into the false primer. You never hear the safety click off.
I do like my 500 with it's security barrel as it's very light with it's thin walled barrel and aluminum frame. It's become a favorite camp gun as well as a home defense weapon. I picked up a 20" barrel for it as well that can serve some hunting purposes as well as home defense, but in my opinion that barrel is just a bit too heavy for a defense barrel. Someone that prefers the mossberg controls, but wants a gun to serve for hunting and defense might wanna look into the 500 instead of the 590 series as there are many more barrel options and if one wanted a heavy walled barrel he/she could cut off a standard 28" barrel and end up with a truly heavy walled barrel.
Something was definitely wrong there. It could have been missing the detent ball and spring or just the ball. I suppose it could also just be the crappy plastic safeties they put on them that allowed the detent ball to get away. I saw a post on another forum where the safety failed and when the detent ball fell into the action it got caught in the workings and ripped the bottom of the frame off his 500! now that's something you wont ever have to worry about with a steel framed gun. I replaced the safety on my 500 with a steel safety button and have a great deal of confidence in it although the design is not as sturdy overall as a crossbolt safety...that's just plain to see when you break them down and compare the two.
MattShlock
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What the heck are you talking about? Please cite your published source about this "inherent design flaw," and if it's just you or really an "I heard," let us know that too. I think that's utter nonsense...
Bobson
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The only 870 I'd take would need to be the Police model, built in 2003 or earlier. Funny thing is, if I actually found one in great shape, it was be an easy primary choice. Else I'd take a 590A1.
Bobson
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I've never heard of that either. Something this serious wouldn't just be noted as a "design flaw." If true, it would be fixed, or the firearm wouldn't be anywhere near as popular as it is.
ElToro
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It's not "something I heard" It happened on my mossberg and I could reproduce it multiple times and demonstrated it to gun Shop people. So maybe I got a lemon and its " not an inherent design flaw". So yes on my sample size of 1, I have an opinion. I think the 500 is crap. Take it or leave it. It's my opinion. For basically the same money you can have an 870. And I have several and have never had a problem with any of mine
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870 for me
Perhaps you do, but I'll bet your eyes aren't watching your thumb (or looking at the safety) whilst you're swinging on your target.
Did you ever completely disassemble the gun to inspect it? The way the safety works on the 500 a piece of trash lodged atop the bolt might could cause that problem. I have used and owned a few since the early 80's and have always considered them next to total garbage, but the one I have now has become a favored gun especially since they've quietened up the darn things. It still ain't an 870 for sure, but I like it a lot.
ElToro
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The "L" shaped hook that hangs under the thumb safety on the inside of the gun was not obstructed. Whatever. It was 15+ years ago. It happened on my specimen and I got rid of it and moved on. Just telling you all why I won't own another. I hope you get great service out of yours.
If anybody interested who thinks im exaggerating the truth, I will gladly PM name of the gun shop in San Jose CA and the manager who still works there will confirm the problem on that particular gun.
If anybody interested who thinks im exaggerating the truth, I will gladly PM name of the gun shop in San Jose CA and the manager who still works there will confirm the problem on that particular gun.
MattShlock
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No ElToro, we'll ignore The Bull as you suggested.
I don't know why people are doubting the man or more bluntly calling him a liar. The mossbergs have a tang type safety except there is no tang so they are top mounted receiver safeties. If anything at all is loose or missing (spring or detent ball) inertia can very easily cause the problem he stated and that is quite simple to understand.
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