Hoover Dam - Homeland Security doesn't let me drive over it with .22LR ammo!

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Sunday I was driving my panel van to Vegas from AZ. My GPS routed me over Hoover Dam. An hour away from the dam there is a traffic information sign saying to tune into the radio for info. I listened to the information about the Hoover Dam bypass project, which is going on right now and slowing down traffic. As I get near the dam I see that all traffic has to stop at a checkpoint.

All of the agents there are Homeland Security. I'm asked to get out and open the doors to the van. I do and they see some large black boxes of equipment and ask what is in them. I tell them and then they say "do you have any guns?". This surprised me and I said, "yes, I do." The next question was "how many rounds of ammunition do you have?" This really surprised me and I said "what?" The next comment was "do you have over a thousand rounds?"

Well, I have a .22LR rifle in the van and up until a week ago had only a single 550-round brick of ammo for it. But I was at Wal-Mart in AZ and they had .22LR ammo, which I hadn't seen in ages, for $16. So I brought another brick.

So... to the question I answered "uh, yes, I have 1100 rounds of .22LR ammo."

"Well sir, we cannot let you go over the dam with 1000 rounds or more of ammo."

I said "but it is .22 ammo!" And he said "it doesn't matter, it is 1000 rounds"

I said "ok, no problem, I'll just throw it away a brick of it in that that trash can over there and then I won't have 1000 rounds anymore."

"Sir, we cannot let you do that, you will have to take an alternate route."

To which I said "what? can't I just get rid of it and then I won't be driving over the dam with 1000 rounds of ammo?"

"No sir, you cannot."

So I had to turn around and basically had a two hour detour due to my 100 rounds of .22LR ammo over the limit for a drive over the dam.

Now let's look at the facts here. Driving along the road for over and hour and there are no signs stating this new requirement (I hesitate to call it a law). Secondly, they are classifying .22LR ammo as any other type of ammo. And lastly, what in the world can 1000 rounds of any legal ammo do to the Hoover Dam?

Yes folks, our tax dollars hard at work. Back before 9/11 I took a tour inside of Hoover Dam. That thing is the proverbial brick s-house. 100,000 rounds of ammo wouldn't make a dent in it. What in the world are they doing?

I'm half expecting to now see checkpoints with a military official asking to see my "papers". What in the world is happening here?
 
The funny thing (if there was a funny aspect of this encounter) was that the main Homeland Security guy was very nice and almost seemed apologetic. He indicated that he realized it was a bit silly, saying "I know" after me saying "this just doesn't make much sense."

He was VERY young looking and I almost asked him if he was old enough to own the Glock on his side. Luckily I know when to shut up, but it was tempting...
 
Should have made him count out the rounds.

+1 Abso-freakin'-lutely. Or better yet, throw a handful over the side of the dam while he's not watching. Or tell him you already used some of the rounds in the box and you only had 999 left since you knew there were a couple of government idiots manning the gestapo checkpoint keeping Hoover Dam safe from .22LR ammo.
 
That's why I always go around now and skip going over the Dam. Always a hassle about something or endless traffic.
 
"I'll be back in 20 minutes. I'm gonna go in the desert and shoot up 110 rounds."

That was actually a good idea! I should have said that. I was so flustered by the whole event that I didn't think of it. I knew I was legally in possession and storage of the rifle but I didn't know carrying too much ammo was a problem. Go figure!
 
whats the difference between 500 rounds and a thousand? thats one stupid law. i could see no ammo allowed but thats just plain wierd.
 
Right, you should have offered to throw out 101 rounds, not a whole brick!


The guy behind you: "Yes sir, I have 999 rounds of .50 cal incendiary rounds."
Officer: "OK, drive on."
 
TSA and Dept of HS keeping us safe from nail clippers, .22 ammo, shampoo bottles and randomly searching/destroying our luggage. What we do without these mall cops of the government?

I know not hate travelling and random searches of our personal belongings.
 
I question the constitutionality of the check point within our own borders. If our government did its job at the borders, and rounded up "visitors" who over-stay their visas, these INTERNAL checkpoints wouldn't be - for the lack of a better word - "necessary". We suffer their lack of diligence.

Woody
 
Ah yes, another terrorist attack averted! You might have been planning on shooting Hoover Dam a thousand times with that .22!
 
Actually, I believe he could have permitted you to cross. Guidelines published here state "Please remember, these are only guidelines...inspecting officers at Hoover Dam may use their professional discretion in permitting a vehicle to cross or not."
 
Learing to count :)

Well then Homeland Insecurity, since I can't transport more that 1000 rounds, we'd better count each and every round right here and now so neither one of us will be breaking the law :)

Oh s&*^%t, don't you just hate when you spill a brick of .22 rounds. I guess now we have a fortuitous opportunity to verify the actual number of rounds as we pick them up off the ground :p

Since I can't dispose of the excess rounds (approximately 110 rounds) then the next 110 vehicles will receive free one round of .22 cal. ammo from me. We'll just call it early trick or treat :evil:

It would certainly be less than 2 hours and a whole LOT more entertaining :D
 
Thats a good way to get free ammo you know:evil:,go pull peple over
"sir do you have over 1000 rouds of ammo with you"
"yes"
"give it to me and you'll be alright otherwise 6 years."
 
RS14; thanks for the info. Interesting that while there is a PDF of the crossing details there are NO signs on the highway anywhere indicating any dam crossing regulations. Or even that there is a check point until you're there.
 
I was out there in 2004 and the stupidity was rampant then. I retired from the Utility Industry and have worked in numerous power generating stations to include a small hydro-electric station. I asked the tour guide if we could see the Control Room. You would have thought I asked if I could shoot a pistol in the building. The tour guide explained to me that "absolutely no one was allowed in or near the Control Room!" The really interesting thing to me was that during this conversation we were standing on one of the few structures in the dam that a small explosive charge would damage sufficiently enough to potentially destroy the entire power house. Who ever is making up the rules for the Security Force and or Homeland Security does not have a clue about the operation of a power house and what equipment is truly critical.

A good example I saw at another installation was placing expanded metal mesh screens over the windows to Power House Service Bay to prevent unauthorized access. I just had two issues with this. 1) The windows were 6 feet above grade making climbing in difficult at best. 2) 30 feet west of the windows was a Drive-in Access Door that is usually open 24/7 because it is used 5-6 times per hour. The expanded metal mesh was nothing more than some managers “I did this to improve security” project, all show and no go.

PS No I will not tell you which piece of equipment can bring the entire show to a screecing halt.
 
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