Prince Yamato
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Next time you should try crossing with 999 rounds of 50 bmg.
Hoover Dam - Homeland Security doesn't let me drive over it with .22LR ammo!
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FourTeeFive
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I honestly think they were looking for an excuse for me to not unload my vehicle and for them to search inside all of my cases and enclosures. They jumped all over the ammo thing right after they were looking at everything inside the van.
renegade1alpha
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Before I turned around I would have asked for his name and I would have asked him to tell me which Federal or State law it was that states you cannot do that so that you can look it up at a later date. Also I wouldn't have thrown a brick of .22 ammo away at all. I would rather hav driven the two hours. Ammo is not as easy to come by as gasoline.
Ahh hell.....I am driving cross country at the end of the week and will have a massive trailer full of guns/ammo....not kidding. Prolly 20k because I've been loading pretty steady in anticipation of the move.
Guess we'll have to plan an alternate route. Jerks...
Ed
Guess we'll have to plan an alternate route. Jerks...
Ed
mljdeckard
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This is absolutely, 100%, absolutely weapons-grade BULL@$^#.
I went through the same checkpoint a couple of weeks ago, having cleared and stashed my carry gun, as I was heading into Nevada and my permit isn't valid there.
I agree with the idea of cranking through enough rounds to qualify, AND making them count to verify, while parked in a way that would hold up traffic while they did it.
I went through the same checkpoint a couple of weeks ago, having cleared and stashed my carry gun, as I was heading into Nevada and my permit isn't valid there.
I agree with the idea of cranking through enough rounds to qualify, AND making them count to verify, while parked in a way that would hold up traffic while they did it.
Last time I went across the dam, I was on my way to a Front Sight class. Had an AK and an M1 in the truck, and a solid thousand rounds of ammo for each. They didn't ask anything about guns, though. In fact, they didn't ask anything at all. Just looked at the truck and waved me through.
HuntAndFish
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What scares me about this is mindless observance of the rules rather than their spirit. A security officer who can't tell the difference between what is and is not dangerous is not worth having on the dam site.
I am glad that you made us aware of the problems going over the Dam. The last time I crossed I had a trunk full of ammunition in anticipation of a varmint hunt down in Texas. I was not stopped.
I have crossed the border into and out of Canada from Alaska, into Montana on the state side, and I am well aware of the limitation on the number of rounds of ammunition you are allowed, in Canada. That is right out of the "Canadian Firearms Commission" regulations. You must read carefully the regs each time you cross as there can be subtle changes to the laws governing transport of weapons and ammunition, and that includes total rounds of ammunition. They do not care what type it is, and they know the difference between .22 and .50cal when they enforce that part of the regs.
You can take rifles and shotguns across the border with the correct paperwork and a modest fee. Do Not even attempt to take a restricted or prohibited firearms across the border into Canada, and you can expect US Border Guards to be harder on you then the Canadians. Last time through I was checked by the Canadians on the way into the country, and by both border guards on the way out. The US Guards asked for my Canadian permits and verified that each weapon I said I had was correct, and the ammunition question put to me again.
My question would be why we have homeland security enforcing Canadian regulations within US Borders?
Another would be the lack of warnings to citizens about ammo restrictions. Will I need a passport to go from state to state and who will decided if I am allowed to proceed; the states or the feds?
I have crossed the border into and out of Canada from Alaska, into Montana on the state side, and I am well aware of the limitation on the number of rounds of ammunition you are allowed, in Canada. That is right out of the "Canadian Firearms Commission" regulations. You must read carefully the regs each time you cross as there can be subtle changes to the laws governing transport of weapons and ammunition, and that includes total rounds of ammunition. They do not care what type it is, and they know the difference between .22 and .50cal when they enforce that part of the regs.
You can take rifles and shotguns across the border with the correct paperwork and a modest fee. Do Not even attempt to take a restricted or prohibited firearms across the border into Canada, and you can expect US Border Guards to be harder on you then the Canadians. Last time through I was checked by the Canadians on the way into the country, and by both border guards on the way out. The US Guards asked for my Canadian permits and verified that each weapon I said I had was correct, and the ammunition question put to me again.
My question would be why we have homeland security enforcing Canadian regulations within US Borders?
Another would be the lack of warnings to citizens about ammo restrictions. Will I need a passport to go from state to state and who will decided if I am allowed to proceed; the states or the feds?
denfoote
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What ever happened to I'm not answering your questions and if you want to search the van, have probable cause and a warrant??
The same thing that happens if you refuse to put your bags through the x-ray machine at the airport. If you want to cross the dam, you are required to consent to a search.
stevelyn
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Still think you live in a free country?
Shung
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from a foreign point of view, this kind of "checkpoint" sounds scary..
I was there in July when my brother passed away. He lived in Dolan Springs just an hour south of the dam. On the trip home I was carrying some of his estate guns and ammo so I went around to avoid this very possibility.
Frankly, the last time I was to the dam area the porta potty's on the overlook presented more public danger than a truck full of ammo. They all were running over. It will be a lot nicer to travel there once the bypass is done.
Frankly, the last time I was to the dam area the porta potty's on the overlook presented more public danger than a truck full of ammo. They all were running over. It will be a lot nicer to travel there once the bypass is done.
Eightball
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This, for the win. Lets you vent off some steam at the stupidity of the issue, AND comply!
Ohio Gun Guy
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Next we'll need an internal travel document with stamps and approvals to get through all of the government check points.......
Here is your guide to Un-anounced government checkpoints.
Unterofficer: Ihre papieren bitte?
You nicely answer, "Hier ist meine papieren."
Raise your right hand sharply, click your heals, and your through.
What is all the complaining about?
Here is your guide to Un-anounced government checkpoints.
Unterofficer: Ihre papieren bitte?
You nicely answer, "Hier ist meine papieren."
Raise your right hand sharply, click your heals, and your through.
What is all the complaining about?
mg.mikael
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Maybe they just didn't like the looks of you(no offense.) But their first impressions of you are important, For example was your van a junker? Were you dressed in ripped jeans, or no shirt(or perhaps paint-stained shirt)? If they think you look suspicious for any reason their probably gonna give you a hard time versus the guy in a buttoned-up shirt & tie.
bobmcd
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That's because they really do have Optimus Prime down there ...
MountainBear
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You know, I understand the frustration. I really do. It seems like a stupid regulation. Completely pointless. But would you people please lay off the guy doing his job and attack the stupid regulation he was asked to enforce instead.
Its not very High Road to attack a man for following the orders of the people WE elected to make the orders.
Its not very High Road to attack a man for following the orders of the people WE elected to make the orders.
FourTeeFive
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Nope. Very expensive new vehicle, and I was looking fine (no business attire since it was Sunday).
Realize that this was a checkpoint. EVERYONE has to stop and be questioned.
jnyork
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I have been through there a dozen times or so while towing a large 5th wheel. Although they want to go inside for a quick look, the outfit has never been "searched", the personel have always been friendly but professional and not even once have I ever been asked about guns or ammo , of which I always have more than plenty. I must not fit the profile.
+1 for what mountain bear said.
+1 for what mountain bear said.
FourTeeFive
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I agree they were friendly and professional, and the young guy even seemed a bit sympathetic to my dismay at not being able to throw away the extra rounds. My problem isn't with the people doing their job, but rather with the law and the idea of check points to begin with. And, as the Israeli military commander said; "In Israel we look for terrorists. In America they look for weapons." Especially when 1000 rounds of .22LR ammo is somehow considered a threat to one of the great engineering marvels of our time.
As I said before, I honestly think they were looking for any excuse to turn me away so they wouldn't have to take apart the gear in the van. Without going into details (and to maintain some anonymity) I had some very ominous looking large items inside the van which frankly, I think, startled the guys. The first comment upon opening the door was "what is THAT big thing in the middle?" It is all big and heavy equipment and not something the average person can easily identify. Before even getting to the details one of the guys quickly said "do you have any guns" and after I let that cat out of the bag the ammunition question was instantly asked.
One less van to search.
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