Hoover Dam - Homeland Security doesn't let me drive over it with .22LR ammo!

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You know, I understand the frustration. I really do. It seems like a stupid regulation. Completely pointless. But would you people please lay off the guy doing his job and attack the stupid regulation he was asked to enforce instead.
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So idiots who are "Just doing their job" are no longer idiots??? I work for the federal government too and to not pont out stupidity makes YOU part of the problem. If we keep up we are going to be "high road" all the way to tyranny.
 
FourTeeFive - " I'm half expecting to now see checkpoints with a military official asking to see my "papers". What in the world is happening here?"
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Not to worry. That's coming soon enough... and much more.

L.W.
 
So idiots who are "Just doing their job" are no longer idiots??? I work for the federal government too and to not pont out stupidity makes YOU part of the problem. If we keep up we are going to be "high road" all the way to tyranny.
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No, I'm saying you weren't there and you have no idea if these guys were idiots or not. The OP stated that they seemed sympathetic with his plight, but were forced to follow regulations. It is not their position to arbitrarily start disregarding procedure and policy. If they don't agree with it, they complain to their supervisors, not just stop enforcing it.

As for "taking the high road all the way to tyranny," thats just a dumb comment that I really have no response to other than to say go somewhere else...
 
No, I'm saying you weren't there and you have no idea if these guys were idiots or not. The OP stated that they seemed sympathetic with his plight, but were forced to follow regulations. It is not their position to arbitrarily start disregarding procedure and policy.
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The young guy was pleasant and stated the rules and did his job. The older guy was obviously making the overall call on the situation and he just seemed to want me out of there. In hindsight it does appear that if I asked to see written information on the rules I could have questioned his ability to use judgement in the matter and let me dispose of the amount over 1000 rounds. Or I could have ended up being detained even further.

My complaint isn't with the enforcing officers. It is with their presence in the first place, and with the rules they are enforcing, which only they seem to know.
 
Agreed, my issue isn't with your problem with the situation. Like I said, the policy gave you the raw end of the stick. You complained about the proper thing. My issue is with guys like HarleyFixer saying the agents were idiots because they did their jobs. I will attempt to avoid the damn in the future.
 
You were too cooperative IMHO.
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Probably. I had a very important meeting and didn't want to risk it. Two hours worked with my time frame. Spending time detained and calling my lawyer did not.
 
Don't forget, Homeland Security also protects us from Swedish Grandmothers. Swedish Grandmothers are notoriously dangerous. All sorts of evil and twisted plots.
 
You know, I understand the frustration. I really do. It seems like a stupid regulation. Completely pointless. But would you people please lay off the guy doing his job and attack the stupid regulation he was asked to enforce instead.

Its not very High Road to attack a man for following the orders of the people WE elected to make the orders
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To a point. I personally don't prescribe to the notion that it's ok if the government tramples over your rights as long as they are nice while they do it. The correct place to discuss this matter isn't on the side of the road, but in a court room. Pretty sad that it takes money to promote freedom.

Unfortunately checkpoints have been determined to be legal by the SCOTUS.
 
TSA and Dept of HS keeping us safe from nail clippers, .22 ammo, shampoo bottles and randomly searching/destroying our luggage. What we do without these mall cops of the government?
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Back around 2001 or 2002, Homeland Security confiscated a nail clipper from a uniformed pilot on his way to his flight. He told them, "I'm the pilot! If I wanted to do something bad to the airplane, I wouldn't need no stinking clippers!" (not a direct quote). They arrested him and carted him off for making terroristic threats.
 
Its not very High Road to attack a man for following the orders of the people WE elected to make the orders
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According to post #20, I don't have a problem with the way the regulation is written at all. It specifically gives the security officer discretion to make the call. The issue here falls directly on the security officers. They couldn't tell that two bulks packs of .22LR ammo wasn't a danger to the dam.

ETA: In their defense though, it certainly is possible that rather than take time to unload a bunch of equipment from the vehicle they just judged it better to turn you back, however if that was the case they should have been upfront about it.
 
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I don't know, my brothers and sisters. This stinks to high heaven.

Just who were these people that stopped the OP? What kind of federal agents? Has anyone ever heard of a force of agents called "Homeland Security"? How does one become such an agent? Where is the act of Congress creating such an agency with these supposed police powers and authorized to act within our borders? There is certainly something fishy about this and it ain't the chicken! This is an unconstitutional force exercising usurped power over We the People. These "check points" don't belong anywhere within this country. As I said before, if our borders were secured and visitors made to leave when their visa has expired, we wouldn't have this trouble.

This is not "homeland security". It's more like police-state sophistry.

Woody
 
I think just about everyone has heard of the Department of Homeland Security. However, your questions concerning which agents of what Bureau of the Department are sound. Once that is known, then questions as to why they are doing what they are doing can be correctly directed.

So... Who are manning the security checkpoints at the Hoover Dam?
 
I have made several trips between Las Vegas and Phoenix in the last several years and I always avoid going over Hoover Dam. It's not because of the check points, which have never delayed me, but because of the unpredictable traffic. Early morning traffic is not usually a problem but afternoon traffic can be brutal because of the tourists at the dam. You won't know until it is too late to avoid the backup.

For that reason, I take the truck route through Laughlin. Las Vegas to Kingman via the dam is 103 miles and around 2 hours. Going through Laughlin adds about 25 miles and maybe 20-25 minutes. That's for normal traffic. Before I started taking that route, I had been in backups at the dam that delayed me more than an hour. The extra time going through Laughlin is well worth it to avoid the possible agravation.
 
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As for "taking the high road all the way to tyranny," thats just a dumb comment that I really have no response to other than to say go somewhere else...
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Gun guys, the NRA and all the others taking the High Road has gotten us where we are today vis a vis RKBA. The most egregious example is the GCA of 1968 - no one had the courage to stand up for what was right. They just layed down and accepted it as is.

Fire has to be fought with fire. Nice nice rarely works when your enemy isn't.
 
I have driven across the dam many times, most recent was in January. Only had to stop at the checkpoint once, that was when I was pulling a trailer behind my car because I was moving. They asked me what was in the trailer, I told them I was moving and had household goods it. The asked me if I had any weapons, I said I had several guns in the trailer with the rest of my stuff. They asked me to open the trailer, they looked in it for just a second and told me to go ahead. When I haven't been pulling a trailer I have just driven past the checkpoint without even stopping.
 
Its not very High Road to attack a man for following the orders of the people WE elected to make the orders.
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Europe chiming in... In the 1930s-1940s, we had a lot of people "just following the orders of somebody we elected" and everybody knows what has come from that.
 
Right after 9/11, they set that checkpoint up at Hoover Dam. I was pulling a camp trailer and was asked if I had any firearms or explosives. I said no because I didn't have any in the Dodge and than he asked for the keys to the camper. He went inside and I could hear him open up the fridge and the drawers and the bathroom door. Than he lifted up the bed because I heard it close. He came out and said I was good to go. I neglected to tell him after he asked for the keys to the camper that I had a 12 guage pump, SKS, and Dan Wesson 357 under the bed. I believe that with it being a sunny day and him wearing sunglasses and going into the somewhat dark camper he did not see the firearms after looking directly at them. Either he saw them and decided it was best to not say anything but I really think he did not see the firearms.
 
Hoover dam website states the rules for crossing the dam.
1000 rounds of ammo is specifically mentioned. Firearms are also mentioned as is the right to inspect. Dam rules says if you cant comply then dont try. The site also says the security could be private vendors or reclaimation officers.
 
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