Hoover Dam - Homeland Security doesn't let me drive over it with .22LR ammo!

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Hoover dam website states the rules for crossing the dam.
1000 rounds of ammo is specifically mentioned. Firearms are also mentioned as is the right to inspect. Dam rules says if you cant comply then dont try.
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I don't normally check the website for every bridge or dam that I cross while driving in the continental USA. The thing that amazed me was driving for an hour and there not being a single sign mentioning any rules or regulations for the dam.
 
Homeland security agents can be TSA, Coast Guard, Border Patrol or private contractors specifically hired for a site.
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Armsmaster270, do you have a link to that info or know where it is in the Patriot Act? I'd really like to go over that with a fine tooth comb. I think DHS is out on a limb acting without congressional (or constitutional) authority and I'd like to verify my suspicions.

Woody
 
Gun guys, the NRA and all the others taking the High Road has gotten us where we are today vis a vis RKBA. The most egregious example is the GCA of 1968 - no one had the courage to stand up for what was right. They just layed down and accepted it as is.

Fire has to be fought with fire. Nice nice rarely works when your enemy isn't.
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Then grab your swiss camo you got out of cheaper than dirt, your AK, and a couple hundred loaded mags and go storm the checkpoints. See how that does for our cause.

Taking the high road and standing up for our rights DO NOT cancel each other out. If you believe that they do, what are you doing here? There are plenty of websites for radicals...
 
According to post #20, I don't have a problem with the way the regulation is written at all. It specifically gives the security officer discretion to make the call. The issue here falls directly on the security officers. They couldn't tell that two bulks packs of .22LR ammo wasn't a danger to the dam.

ETA: In their defense though, it certainly is possible that rather than take time to unload a bunch of equipment from the vehicle they just judged it better to turn you back, however if that was the case they should have been upfront about it.
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Funny you mention that because I have a major problem with authoritative discretion. Did the citizens of the US already forget the benefit of written law?
 
Funny you mention that because I have a major problem with authoritative discretion. Did the citizens of the US already forget the benefit of written law?
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Good point. On that basis, even though ridiculous, the OP should have known better and they were right to turn him back.
 
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Cowboy: is this what you wanted, DHS is a Cabinet level Agency

United States
Department of Homeland Security

Motto: Preserving our Freedoms, Protecting America
Agency overview
Formed November 25, 2002
Headquarters Nebraska Avenue Complex
38°56′17″N -77°4′56″E / 38.93806°N 76.91778°W / 38.93806; -76.91778
Employees 208,000 (2007)
Annual budget $52.0 billion (2009)
Agency executives Janet Napolitano, Secretary[1]
Jane Holl Lute, Deputy Secretary[2]
Child agencies :
United States Citizenship and Immigration Services
U.S. Customs and Border Protection
Federal Emergency Management Agency
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement
Transportation Security Administration
United States Coast Guard
National Protection and Programs Directorate
United States Secret Service
Website
www.dhs.gov
 
Hokay, what's the point in even asking?

Assuming you intend to destroy the entire Hoover dam with your 1100 rounds of .22 LR ammo, why would you admit it to the HS guy in the first place?

If he'd have told me that, I would have got the box out and maybe accidentally let the bottom fall out of it. Then pick up 999 rounds, the others on the ground must have already been there before you started counting :D
 
"Homeland" security? "Patriot" Act?

We outspend the whole rest of the planet on "Defense". I'd like to think that we were using it all to defend the "homeland" in the first place.

If you have to flog it by calling it "Patriot" in the first place, you'd better read the fine print.

We're spending multiple billions of dollars on stuff that in truth provides little or no security at all; in fact, some of it is actually more than a little detrimental. When I say "we" I mean you and me, the tax cattle.

Please don't tell me I voted for the folks who push this agenda; just try to find an office-seeker who is willing to act in a rational manner, in either party. (I'll admit that perhaps as many as 5% of them might be worth a vote; sadly, that doesn't include any from my neck of the woods).

My ancestors came here to get away from this sort of crap; where can I go to live unharassed and free? I'm afraid we're well and truly hosed.
 
Maybe the Hoover Dam Checkpoint Charlie Patrol was one of the 650,000 jobs created by the stimulus plan.
 
I just want to know what that 1,001 round of .22LR will do to Hoover Dam that a rented houseboat full of anfo will not accomplish. I may have to revise my next plinking trip.

Hmm, let's start some math here. I've hit a concrete block or two with .22s over the years. From 50 yards or so, it'll generally scratch the surface enough to be seen. Let's assume you can continuously fire rounds from point blank range (with no danger from ricochets or spalling concrete), and that each round will powder concrete to a depth of 1/16th of an inch, which seems like a reasonable assumption to me. Now, assuming that all the powdered concrete is removed after each shot, that you only strike concrete and not the steel cooling tubes (check the Hoover Dam wiki), and that you ALWAYS hit the same spot.....

1/16 of an inch per shot=16 shots per inch. 16 shots per inch x 12 inches per foot=192 shots per foot. 192 shots per foot x 660 feet (the thickness at the base)= 126,720 shots to hit water. It's going to SUCK to be a terrorist with a bolt-action single shot.

Note the rather un-scientific number of assumptions involved here. Your results may vary. I believe that No. 617 Squadron of the Royal Air Force decided that splitting dams required something more than .22LR, so....
 
This stuff drives me nuts with the governemnt. I don't think they are evil, but 50% of the time their rules make no sense at all. Guard the damn, I am ok with that, but 1000 rounds of 22 lr? Dumb. Who comes up with this stuff.

All I can think is that is is a bunch of ninnies in a conference room with nothing else to do.

This is why I want government involved in very little in my life, which is particulally true give the topics being discussed by Congress right now.
 
I think they are probably worried someone will pull all the bullets, drain the powder and make a bomb from it and then use that to blow the dam. Probably were acting on a tip to that effect. Most "tips" are probably generated just to test our defenses and measure our responses.
 
I drove past Hoover Dam and Glen Canyon Dam a few days apart from each other. Funny how none of this fuss was present at Glen Canyon. I even drove to the viewing area in Page and looked at the frontal view of the dam.

When the bypass is finished, will they stop this nonesense?
 
Three years ago, myself and my crazy Class III dealer went from Carson City, NV to Phoenix, AZ for a Small Arms Review gun show. We brought 16 full-auto weapons, including belt fed. Both he and I were armed to the teeth. The van was (and still is) a white 1999 Dodge mini-van. No one said boo coming or going across the dam. We only had about 500 rounds of ammo for the FA, and 100-200 rounds for us.
The signs said motor homes, campers and trucks will be checked. Dunno what they might have done if they opened the back door on the van. Might have been interesting!

PARTIAL LIST of weapons
Browning M2 50 BMG
Browning 1919A4
1921 Colt Thompson
MP-40
1895/1909 Brass Maxim - and 11 others.

We were very heavily armed because we spent one night on the road, and all the FAs were in the motel room.

Had a ball.

Might have been interesting if we were searched.
 
I traveled back and forth from Vegas to AZ, via Hoover, this past summer on my Vegas trip. Coming back to Vegas, I came upon the checkpoint. The van in front of me was ragged, and filled with boxes and other junk, crammed inside. They got stopped. The folks inside the van looked pretty ragged.

If you don't like the checkpoints, take it up with your elected officials. Don't harp on the fed LE following orders. The guy at the checkpoint doesn't know you from the next guy...for all he knows you could be Joe Average, applie pie and lemonade, all American....or you could be Joe Terrorist, bent on blowing up the dam and a convert to some radical idealogy.
 
While a number is still a number.............I wonder if the leadership (whatever federal and/or state level that is) would like it if 100 gun owners drove to the dam in one big line and all stated they had lawfully possessed .22's with 999 rounds per vehicle? Would the ones running the dam blockade allow it?
 
I question the constitutionality of the check point within our own borders. If our government did its job at the borders, and rounded up "visitors" who over-stay their visas, these INTERNAL checkpoints wouldn't be - for the lack of a better word - "necessary". We suffer their lack of diligence.
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Every one of those officers should be reassigned to do raids/deportations on illegals. Solve a real problem instead of hassling citizens over .22lr ammo. How exactly is prohibiting how much ammunition an American can carry in his car Constitutional?
 
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