How do you respond to this?

[PinnedAndRecessed]

I know we just love these games. I'm especially interested in the response of those who have had intensified training in combat weaponry, viz., handguns.

Let me present a hypothetical scenario.

You are alone and a gunman comes up directly in front of you. He has a revolver drawn and cocked and says, "Give me your wallet." He's pointing the revolver directly at your face.

He doesn't look overly agitated. Calm but he is watching your every move intently. Like he does this frequently.

The gun in his hand, with his arm outstretched, is maybe six feet away.

You are carrying concealed (with the rig of your choice).

What are you going to do?

BTW, if you opt to draw and fire, and if you've had combat training to allow you to do so, would you please tell me what you learned and where you were taught?

thanx.

 

[orangelo]

Give him whatever he wants. Give him the wallet. If he DOESN'T turn to leave after he's taken your valuables, you may as well draw and take your chances. He's got more plans for you...

 

[Biker]

Calm? Looks like a pro? Six feet away? Drawn and cocked revolver pointed at my face? Give 'im my wallet. I'm not Bruce Lee and if he wanted me dead, I'd already be on the ground doin' the funky chicken.

Biker

 

[Rumble]

Face to face with a man who doesn't look like he'd even change expression when he shot me? Pee myself, cry, fall down, relinquish possessions, beg. Seriously. I'm betting if he's good (per the indicators), he probably has observed you. He may have seen you being alert and aware. Or know you have a gun. And he still chose you as the target. Is time to wet pants.

Still, if he is that cool and collected, he might just shoot you down anyway. So, if it was "I might die vs. I will die," I'll at least try to defend myself.


Edit: actually, although I was being facetious, I would surrender the wallet. Although I have heard that going completely nonlinear and doing stuff like eating grass, puking on yourself, and pretending to be a firetruck is a sometimes-effective defense technique.

 

[Biker]

Again, if he wanted to shoot you, you'd already be holed. It's apparant he wants your wallet, not your life. Gotta ask yourself what your wallet's worth.
You can always hunt him down later.

Biker

 

[DRMMR02]

If I was alone? Give him the wallet and walk away with my life. If I had say, my gf with me, I would hold out my wallet and as he reached for it, drop the wallet. His subconscious mind would make his eyes look at it fall before he even knew it. Then I would take action. A robbery only perpetrated against me is not worth it. But if it could turn into a rape or murder of my girlfriend(who is 5'3" 90lbs and can not handle this kind of situation) or another tactically disadvantaged person, I would most certainly risk my life to give them a chance to run.

 

[Rumble]

Biker, yes, good point. The wallet...heh. Just moths and cobwebs, anyway. He can have it.

 

[Cromlech]

Unless your name is The Flash or Superman, I don't think it would be wise to risk a .38 or .357 to the face. Hand over the wallet.

 

[Flopsy]

Give him the wallet, and anything else he asks for, unless I believe that he is going to shoot me regardless. My wallet is not worth getting killed for, nor is it worth killing somebody for. It would be inconvenient to cancel my credit cards and get a new driver's license and carry permit, but it would be much more inconvenient to ventilate somebody and then deal with the cops and the courts.

Now, if I believed he was going to shoot me anyway, I'd do my best to upset his aim and draw him down.

 

[Thefabulousfink]

Drawn and Cocked Revolver?

I would clumsily throw my wallet so that It would land a ways beside or behind the BG. Even a pro will have to glance down to find it, when he does I am running the other way. Discretion is the better part of valor and even my fastest draw from an OWB is slower than a 2lb trigger pull.

Good Case: He lets me go, I run to the nearest safe phone and call my bank to cancel my CC (I rarely carry cash). Then I call the Police to report the theft. I get all new ID and CC's the BG gets a well used leather wallet.

Bad Case: He sees me move and decides to shoot. If I am lucky, when he looked down/ bent over, his muzzle moved off target and his first shot misses. While running I will draw and fire to discourage pursuit, but I wont stop running until I am behind cover.

Kind of a wash:
This scenario depends a lot on the menatlity of the BG which is VERY hard to judge. He could have no intention of harming you, or he could be waiting until he gets your wallet so he doesn't have to touch a dead body. I would rather not stand around with my thumb up my *** waiting to find out. I have no problem giving my wallet in order to live, but I am not going to trust the good nature of a mugger to spare my life.

 

[up_onus]

because im a mall ninja...

and i always have my trauma plate duct taped to my chest, I use my wall climbing boots and run up the wall, and while doing so, have my co-worker start assembling the BMG as we have trained to do. While in mid- air and with my superior martial arts, I pull out my gun and open fire similar to "Matrix" but much more smoothly

If only my name was Gecko....

 

[PinnedAndRecessed]

when he does I am running the other way.

Well, in my case, since they measure my 100 yard dash in minutes, not seconds, no way I can run.

I'm just trying to ascertain the best defense for one who chooses to fight, if in fact he does choose to fight.

For openers, I carry my wallet in the wrong pocket. I carry it underneath where my weapon would be. By the time I'm complying with his demand for my wallet (in order to throw and distract), he's going to see my weapon.

I also have too many carry pieces. If we carry a Glock in a crossdraw on Monday, and a J frame in a pocket holster on Tuesday, and a 1911 in a thumbreak on Wednesday, then when we get robbed on Thursday, we're not going to remember what we've got or where it is.

Am I forgetting anything?

 

[Thefabulousfink]

If running is not an option the I think your best bet is to just give him your wallet and try to end the encounter as quickly as possible.

I DO NOT THINK that drawing and firing is a valid option when a stable person has you dead to rights unless you're a quick-draw artist and your draw is measured in fractions of a second.

 

[XDKingslayer]

Give him the wallet. If he doesn't take whats in it, the wife will.

On the serious side, this is why I don't keep anything in my wallet that is important. Credit cards and ATM cards can be cancelled before he can hit the nearest store. All picture IDs are kept in my pocket, not my wallet and I rarely carry cash. But one stutter, misstep, or drop of his offence and it's my turn.

But questioning whether a wallet is worth dying for is a stupid question. In todays day and age with more and more people carrying CCW that question is just as important to the crook as it is the carrier. If he's willing to die for my wallet, why shouldn't I? And it goes much, much deeper than it being just my wallet.

 

[Lupinus]

Someone whose looks, deamenor, mood, etc scream professional and the gun is six feet away? Give the man what he wants ask if he'd like paper or plastic and ask if he would liek fries with that for good measure.

Some crack head stupid enough to stick the gun and inch from my forehead? Take the gun from him and stick it where his sun dont shine.

 

[230RN]

Look past his gun hand shoulder, then look slightly puzzled, then look surprised.

 

[Biker]

Then look dead. I'm bettin' he saw that movie too.

Biker

 

[230RN]

Your playing probabilites anyhow. If he's seen the movie (I didn't) then you're out of luck. If he doesn't go after the dropped wallet, then you're out of luck. If he shoots you while your faking a retch, you're out of luck.

Given the scenario, that he is a cold-blooded professional... you may be out of luck no matter what you do or don't. I'd rather do.

[ Here's to cheating, stealing, fighting and drinking. If you cheat, may it be a death; if you steal, may it be a heart; if you fight, may it be for your Brother; and if you drink, may it be with me. --I see you left out the "lying" part: "with a good woman." ]

 

[Biker]

May have to throw that last part in.

Biker

 

[gunsmith]

been there got TEE shirt

gave up cash, I turned my head so he didn't think I was trying to
remember his face.

 

[glummer]

IS he a pro?

Why is the revolver cocked?

If it's double action, it's unnecessary, and even risky (for him - possible AD, and changing trigger pull on the next shot.)

If it's a single action, not a pro's choice.

Maybe I give him the dummy wallet with the OC spray bomb inside.

 

[Ralph]

I know of several ccw instructors who advocate carrying several of those sample credit cards that come in the mail every week, along with say a twenty dollar bill in a money clip, kept in the front pocket.
Now in this senario with a gun already drawn on you it may not be advisable but they say to first give the BG this clip, if hes catches the setup and wants the wallet, you reach behind for the wallet and give him the lead.

 

[c_yeager]

I wouldnt toss the wallet, but I wouldnt hand it to him either ( if i were a thief i wouldnt take it from someones hand, and if they tossed in such a way that i would have to away from the mark I would shoot him before i picked it up just in case he was planning anything funny). I like the idea of dropping the wallet and running away. He has the money so he isnt going to bother chasing and im not presenting a threat so he isnt likely to bother shooting. Its not particularly noble or cool, but i think it gives you the best chance of seeing the guy placed in prison.

Why is the revolver cocked?

It is more frightening for the sheep on the other end if you make a nice show of having it cocked. The whole purpose of this guy's weapon is primarily intimidation.

 

[highlander 5]

as previously said I never have more than $5 on me 99% of the time carry very few IF any cc's I know FIVE BUCKS!!!!??? I don't smoke,gamble and I brown bag my meals for work (yiddish accent) so I'm boring

 

[ctdonath]

Hand him the wallet. Don't get cute with it.
Watch carefully for any sign he's going to do anything other than take it; act appropriately.
If he just takes it and leaves, fine.

Sometimes the dragon wins.

LFI-1.