How do you respond to this?

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give him a fake wallet. i always carry a fake wallet in front of my real one. i have about 2 dollars in there with my old driver's permit and some atm cards that i disabled years ago. throw in some buisness cards and a kroger plus card and your set. i know if i was a crook and stole someones wallet to find nothing, id be pretty damn pissed. then i just arrive home having the last laugh.
 
I can't afford a fake wallet - wish I had two bucks in my real one.:eek:

Biker
 
Well, I don't have any gold teeth, I'm too old to pimp and my 'ugly field' should make any bullets veer off course. Even lead has standards.
I figure he's SOL.:cool:

Biker
 
Give him my wallet. It will be inconvenient, but you have to be alive to appreciate inconvenience.

Last time I was timed, it took 1.65 seconds to draw a 1911 from a kydex holster at 3 o'clock and fire one rd into the "A" zone on an IPSC tgt at 6 ft. The younger guys were doing it in 1.25 seconds or so IIRC.

Drawing from concealement will undoubtedly add to those times.

As a last resort if it looks like he's not fininshed with me once I've coughed-up my wallet I've practiced to take one sidestep and drop to one knee while drawing in order to get out from in front of his muzzle. This action, which offers no threat, might cause enough momentary consternation/puzzlement to allow me to get off a round or ten.
 
I've heard you should carry some cash with you, so when this situation happens throw the money and run the other way, then you won't lose your id, credit cards etc. However faced with this situation I would probably just hand over the wallet. ID & credit cards aren't worth it.
If the guy has a knife, oh well, we all know what not to bring to a gunfight.
 
First hand him the wallet, then shoot him the back as soon as he turns his back on you. Retrieve your wallet and call the police. At the point a criminal threatens your life with a gun, their life is worthing NOTHING. Because he's already established himself as a threat to your life, he could always decide to turn around and kill you after getting your wallet. Therefore you should take your first safe oppurtunity to return fire, even if it means shooting him in the back.
 
tough situation, and depending on who you are you will act differently. i think those LE guys that carry their peace officer credentials in their wallets will most likely end up having to shoot it out with the bad guy if he decides he wants to thumb through your wallet while still holding you at bay. there have been several documented incidents where off duty cops were killed because the bad guy found out he/she was a cop and killed them instead of simply running away.

if the guy is six feet away from you, and because action is faster than reaction, know that you can easily traverse six feet before he can pull the trigger. also know that this action is faster than you going for your pistol. the best course of action, if you were to take an offensive position, would be to attempt a gun take-away (if you are so trained) or stick him in the throat with your folding knife if you have trained to get it out and open it one-handed, while striking his gun hand out of the way so you could incapacitate him.

if you take a defensive stance, hell, give him your wallet and as he's turning away then go for your pistol if you still feel you're in immediate life-threatening danger. there is no caveat that a bad guy must be facing you in order for you to shoot. shooting someone in the back is not necessarily illegal, as contrary to popular opinion. if he's running or backing away but still pointing the gun at you, then you are still justified in using deadly force.

i would point out that if you do decide to engage in a gun battle, remember to move to cover and move laterally if possible, so you're a moving target while the most likely "untrained" robber will plant himself firmly to the ground and try to shoot back.

this is why at the range, if you have access to a range that will allow you to practice drawing from concealment, moving laterally, and engaging a target (or multiple ones), then you should practice this.

personally i think at six feet away, if there is no indication that the bad guy is going to shoot you regardless if you give him the wallet or not, give him the wallet, and then go for your gun if you feel there still is a deadly force threat.

also if you decided to go on the offensive, throw your wallet at the bad guy's face. at the minimum, his instinct will make him duck or something, and for that split second his attention is not on you but on this object flying at him. that's your opportunity to get it on with the bad guy.

these scenarios are good food for thought, but also remember to practice these "what-if's" on the range!
 
Give him whatever he wants.
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I wouldn't go that far...

Give him the wallet. If he DOESN'T turn to leave after he's taken your valuables, you may as well draw and take your chances. He's got more plans for you...
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That's exactly what I would do, except I would shoot him when he leaves. :)

I will fire and manuever with ANYONE, but I will never outdraw a dude who already has a bead on me.

If he doesn't leave, well...

If I'm going down, I'm going down on my feet and not my knees.
 
You are alone and a gunman comes up directly in front of you. He has a revolver drawn and cocked and says, "Give me your wallet." He's pointing the revolver directly at your face.
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The obvious answer is.... "Is there something wrong officer???":evil:
 
and because action is faster than reaction, know that you can easily traverse six feet before he can pull the trigger
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Spreadfire, would you explain to me how this is possible? If the perp has his finger on the trigger and is watching you intently, how can you move the six feet to his gun before he pulls the trigger?

Granted, your arms are about 3 feet long. But that still means you've got to close three feet to the perp's gun. How can you do that in the above scenario?
 
I have a cane - thus I have the edge. I hobble up, make sure to quake in my boots, and fumble around for the right pocket. I'd probably give my battle cry of "Mittens!" (insanity is the best defense, even in a court of law) Slam the cane against the wrist, then drive it into the point of his chin while jumping into him. This ought to knock him off his feet. If so, I'll be happy to jump on his chest with my steel-toes if he wants to go for his gun again. Or jump on his hand and squash it. Then I'd pull my gun.

That's my theoretical idea, anyhow. If I was writing a fictional answer, I'd give him my wallet, car keys, and cell phone. When he turned around to go, I'd say: "Oh, one more thing!"
"What?"
*BANG* "Have a nice day." Then proceed to get wallet, keys, phone, and anything on his person that I could use. This is the technique I'll use when MI6 decides to give me a 00 designation. Use the guy's money to buy myself some shaken-not-stirred martinis, afterwards.
 
Then when he turns away i would blow his head clean off with my .44 magnum
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I think there's a word for shooting someone who's fleeing the scene of a crime. What was it? Starts with an M... oh yeah, murder. :D
 
B Yond wrote

"I think there's a word for shooting someone who's fleeing the scene of a crime. What was it? Starts with an M... oh yeah, murder."

The person has already made it clear that he's an immediate threat to your life. If you can shoot him, it means he's also in range to turn around and shoot you. Unless he puts down his gun and calls the police on himself, deadly force is still justified.
 
I would clumsily throw my wallet so that It would land a ways beside or behind the BG.
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Bingo. Best thing to do. Force the thug to MOVE in some way or form from his extremely dominating position of having you point blank range, sighted in with a hair-trigger. If you're lucky, the thug will look down and take his aim off of you for a second to get the wallet. That buys you the time to either run or draw and empty the entire magazine into this scumbag. If the thug is that hell bent on getting the wallet, he will turn and pick it up or back up and pick it up and leave. Even if he doesn't leave, at least you've created more DISTANCE which lowers the chances that you'll get shot in the face. The thug will undoubtedly feel as though they are in a position of total control and power and will most likely not feel endangered by quickly bending over or taking their sights off of you for a second or two. That's just enough time for you to draw, move and shoot. A nice draw, with a lateral movement, and plenty of fire will be the best option.


Just giving the thug the wallet is a bad idea, as you've done nothing to break the thugs position or attention.


Again, if he wanted to shoot you, you'd already be holed. It's apparant he wants your wallet, not your life. Gotta ask yourself what your wallet's worth.
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This is pure BS. There have been many cases where the thug gets what he wants, and then decides to execute you anyway.

Just the mere fact that the thug is using a gun is PROOF that he intends to kill you. End of story. The gun is an ultimatum. Give me wallet OR die. That alone should be enough for anyone to understand that the thug is willing to go the distance as far as killing you for a lousy wallet. Why should anyone believe that his ultimatum is BS? That's what the anti-gunners and anti-self defense people would have us all believe. If that's true, then DON'T GIVE UP THE WALLET, since they won't kill you for it, it's just to scare you or leverage you into giving it up. There's no real consequence to resisting is there? LOL.


That animal is willing to end your life for a wallet. That's how much they value life. I dunno about you people, but I'm not going to put my life into the hands and at the mercy of some piece of filth who is essentially telling me that I'll be dead if I don't give up my wallet.


It just amazes me how so many people think about self-defense in this thread. Too many defeatist attitudes. Not enough warrior mindset to DEFEND LIFE.


Look, obviously, in a situation like that, you've been ambushed or caught off guard. You are in a very bad position and at a huge disadvantage. Nevertheless, this doesn't change the fact that your life is on the line. Whether you die because his stupid cocaine induced shaky finger slips, or he executes you for fun, or you die because you fought back - you're going to die. It's your time and times up. God is pulling the plug on you. Might as well FIGHT back and possibly live.


Or you can just pray that the life-threatening thug is benevolent.
 
Not a defeatist attitude at all, just a realistic view of surviving the situation. I don't like getting shot - I'm allergic to lead. Now, maybe you believe that you could Rambo your way through a situation like this and maybe you could, but you'll quite likely end the night with a tag on your toe.
Oh well...

Biker
 
You can always hunt him down later.
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Pride/ego says one thing but I have to agree with the submit for now crowd.

I just hope he does not shoot me anyway for not having much in my wallet.
I only carry what I think I'll use for the day plus a gas card. That means that
twice a week there is usually no more than $9 in my wallet ($8 for parking and
$1 for a drink). The rest of the time there is less.

That being said, If I'm by myself and the opportunity arises to change the
power structure then I'll do so. If I'm with someone else I won't risk elevating
the situation and possibly getting them shot too. If I think he is going to
shoot us anyway and the person with me is of high value, I'll just hope the
rounds don't go through me and hit them.... that would just be a slap in the
face.

Most people tend to back up when being charged and that usually results in
the arms being lowered (shooting me in the chest not the head). If this guy
is pro enough to keep his ground and shoot me in the head or move and shoot
me in the head he probably would not be robbing people of their wallets.

Again, if all is good and well with just giving him the wallet and I am alone but
no openings or am with someone else then I do nothing. If he's going to shoot
me or mine anyway..... just don't judge me too harshly on this forum when you
post the story.
 
He's pointing the revolver directly at your face.
... he is watching your every move intently.
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Is that really possible? Hold his aim at your head from 6 feet away, AND still watch your every move? Where are his eyes focussed? :scrutiny:

I don't think he could do that; aiming at your face would mean his concentration was not on your hands (which would be moving anyway, to get the wallet.)
From the perp's POV, this not the best tactical approach.

Has anyone tried such a scenario in training (in the perp's role?)
 
most people in such a situation will fixate on the open end of the muzzle and comply.

i agree it is better to drop to your knees and beg for mercy while reaching for wallet with one hand and gun with other. give him a little something from both at the same time. your lowering of self will activate his parasympathetic response and reduce his propensity for aggression, while making you a smaller target and engendering sympathy from any witness the cops might interview. once he is dead, you can tell the cops anything you want about what he said he was going to do.
 
This one is done

once he is dead, you can tell the cops anything you want about what he said he was going to do.
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Making a false police report is illegal everywhere. We don't advocate illegal acts on THR.

Jeff
 
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