How many rounds are adequate capacity for DEFENSE?

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I am from NY City and have seen,on more then one occasin
gangs of 30 or more attacking 1 person,if all you have is 6
you are up a creek if attacked by 30.
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If all you have is fifteen you're still screwed. This is an "assault rifle" situation.
 
Reading some of these post makes me glad I live in a nice small town, no gangs, no roving terrorist, no homeless people standing around looking threating. No home invasions and a few burglarys.

It appears some live in a state of constant threat and basically live in an armed camp. As I sit here looking out the window typeing this 3 kids just passed by with book bags walking to school (about a mile away) and a young lady in running gear is jogging her terrier around the park. Makes me glad to be where I'm at.
 
I am from NY City and have seen,on more then one occasin
gangs of 30 or more attacking 1 person,if all you have is 6
you are up a creek if attacked by 30.
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There's a difference between preparedness and paranoia. I don't run around all day with a slung AR-15, because mob attacks are very rare outside of riots. If I ever end up being attacked by 30 people, I'll just have to shoot the first 25 and hope that the last five have lost their stomachs for a fight by then.
 
This is a "depends" situation. For a woods gun I'd prefer more ammo because you are really one your own and it's better to be over-prepared. Two legged creatures being the predominant threat I'd think that a G-17 with three high caps would be a start.

On the street where things are fast and furious, a small revo such as a Ruger SP-101 or a 1911 Colt OM with 5/6 rounds is plenty if you can present it in the time allotted.

Around the house I'd say a Rem 870 with 5 rounds in the magazine should be enough (backed up with a full size 1911 or a G-21 or a S&W Model 29 or a maybe a model 27 or maybe ...)
 
I consider eight rounds to be the bare minimum. If carrying a six-shot revolver I would have at least one spare speed loader. For autos, I prefer one magazine in the weapon and one spare. However, I do feel comfortable carrying my Beretta 92 fully loaded to 15+1 with no spare magazine, at least in most circumstances.
 
I agree with Penforhire:
I also think I'd have the most amazing tunnel vision and panic response.... So I have no doubt I'd be squeezing off wasted rounds and wishing I had a hi-cap mag.
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Once the adrenaline starts flowing, especially if you've never been in the kind of situation we're talking about, there's no telling how many rounds you'll fire.

My carry gun is a .40 Glock 27, which is 9+1. I have a number of different CCW holsters that I use depending on what I'm wearing and what my activity or destination is. I carry as many magazines as I can, dictated by my attire and activity/destination. My spare magazines are a couple of 15-rounders. I always carry my gun and any spare magazines on my person, not in a backpack or briefcase which can be misplaced, forgotten, stolen, or secured by an attacker before I can get into it.

If I'm attacked by a gang of 30 people, well, hey, it'll be hard to miss, right? :) I suppose an 8-round 12-ga. scattergun in the trunk wouldn't be a bad idea, too.

Minuteman
 
Bear minimum level of protection I will leave the house with is a 5 shot 38 snub. I feel much better with my Sig 239 in 357 sig or my Kimber 1911. The high cap guns are nice because no one ever died because they had too much ammunition.
PAT
 
Personally, my training has all been geared towards the fact that if I hear any noise other than a *BANG!* from the gun in my hand, I'm not going to worry about reloading or jam-clearing or what-have-you, I'm going to toss it and reach for another gun. If the situation has extended past the point that all guns I'm carrying are expended, then I'll worry about reloading, jam-clearing, et cetera.

My favorite story to this effect was from my gunsmith, who relates a story of an advanced-level combat handgun course where, for failure drill practice, they had loaded an empty case in each student's pistol. Everybody on the line is firing away when their induced jams occur. All set about with their immediate action drills, save this one old guy on the end who lets his 1911 clatter to the range floor, scoops the J-frame out of his ankle rig, and keeps blasting away. The instructor runs over to him:
"No! No! No! You're supposed to be practicing your failure drill!"
"That's what I did!" retorts the old-timer. ;)
 
is much better then a knucle sandwich in these days
of hepatitus,aids,sars,tb,scabies and everything else
the homeless creeps here in SF CA have.
you DO NOT want to touch these guys with your bare hands!
and if you shoot them,it's alot of "splaining"
to people on the jury who will wonder why you do not
love mike moore as much as they do.
hose them with oc spray and wash your hands later...problem
solved
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Yeah, I am not going to touch anyone. That is battery, affraying (fighting), and probably a laundry list of more items.

If I do not have time to determine that I need OC, I reach for my G17.

-SquirrelNuts
 
Yes while most gun battles are at short distances, short duration, and don't involve many shots being fired, those statistics only represent past events and are mutually exclusive from any future events. Should the time come for you to be involved in one of those shootings, do you really want to base your activities on historical data? No, of course not, otherwise you would stop shooting after 3 rounds...statistically speaking.

When it comes to your time as it has for others, you will likely find that like your predecessors that you will not complain about having too much ammo for the fight, having a gun too reliable, a gun too accurate, being too prepared, or too well trained.
 
I am from NY City and have seen,on more then one occasin
gangs of 30 or more attacking 1 person,if all you have is 6
you are up a creek if attacked by 30.
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If all you have is fifteen you're still screwed. This is an "assault rifle" situation.
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Shoot one or two of them and they will scatter like scared rats.
PAT
 
ONE---unless you are planning on missing.

Since I don't live in a perfect world----I'll take as many in a magazine that I can get.
 
"and my purse gun carries 5"

Yeah, but just pointing that 2 1/2 inch cannon at someone would be enough to make most run for the hills.
 
Now while it may be alot of equipment to carry around.

Guns's, light, spray, collapsible baton (where legal) allow you several options to choose from. You must take into consideration that your actions in a self defense situation will be under serious scrutiny after the fact.

Say that we use the OC spray on our assailant and it has little effect and we have to resort to the pistol, that will be taken into consideration when the shooting is judged.

No one can say (though they will) that you just pulled your gun and shot him, since clearly you tried to end the encounter without using lethal force.

The light can be used to determine a target or as a distraction and can also add to that all important defense of one's actions if the encounter takes place in dim conditions.

The claim that you just shot at the shadow or that the bg was trying to end the encounter or was just an innocent bystander, would be hard to validate, if you have a flashlight and know how to use it in conjuction with your pistol.

It might be extra weight and maybe a hassle to some, Overall I like the option's that are available because of that extra gear.
 
"Since defense situations is likely to involve: 7 yards or less, 3 rounds in 3 seconds, are "high capacity" magazines necessary? That said, I carry either a Glock or a Gov't Model. But I really believe that 6 is enough."

Is this against one bad person? You can believe the statistics all you want, but I think they're meaningless.
 
um, if you are attacked by a gang of 30, and they want you dead, guess what? you are dead, even with a .50 cal auto... one of em is gonna cap you. if you have 15 rounds, your a gonner just the same, they are not going to attack one at a time, like in a segal movie... nope, youll have 10 of em on top of you stomping you, probably 2 dead or wounded, and the rest of em watching for the cops, who wont show up until after the fact. cant blame em though.
 
IMHO

the fight will last as long as YOUR ammo does

always and never and absolutely rarely ring true...:p

i actually change how much to suit my destination
 
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