BlackTalon
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Glock 30 with 2 mags
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How many rounds are adequate capacity for DEFENSE?
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Don't be so hasty in your generalizations.
I've carried three guns primarily. A 1911 Commander, a J-frame .357 and a Beretta 21A. After having tried all those, I will still carry a 1911 wherever and whenever I can, and only carry the Beretta or J-frame as backup or on the rare occasion that my clothing is unable to conceal my 1911.
Richard
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cordex, I have the same options you have and I opt for a small but powerful handgun. What do you carry 80% of the time? If it is a 1911 or similar size/weight handgun what is it and how do you carry it? Best and regards, Richard 
More than 80% of the time it is a commander length 1911. I carry ~4 o'clock in a Milt Sparks Executive Companion with a decent belt. Generally in jeans with an untucked t-shirt to conceal. It works for me.
For the rare occasion that I won't be able to have an untucked shirt or suit jacket to cover my belt line, I'll use the J-frame in an ankle holster. If that isn't possible for whatever reason, I can pocket the Berretta (but I don't trust it all that much, so it is really a backup backup).
Right now I've got the 1911 on, as usual.
45crittergitter
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I want 8 million, give or take a few hundred....
Joe Demko
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IWB gun holds 11.
Pocket gun holds 8.
ankle gun holds 5.
Total= 24 rounds.
I don't typically carry reloads for any of them.
When wearing my deputy sheriff costume, I carry the mandated 2 extra magazines for my duty pistol.
Pocket gun holds 8.
ankle gun holds 5.
Total= 24 rounds.
I don't typically carry reloads for any of them.
When wearing my deputy sheriff costume, I carry the mandated 2 extra magazines for my duty pistol.
SapperLeader
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IWB gun holds 11 + two reloads of 10
pocket gun holds 5
ankle gun(usually only on car trips) holds seven.
Ive never heard anyone who walks away from a gunfight say they brought too much ammo.
pocket gun holds 5
ankle gun(usually only on car trips) holds seven.
Ive never heard anyone who walks away from a gunfight say they brought too much ammo.
IWB gun holds 11.
Pocket gun holds 8.
ankle gun holds 5.
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Sounds like your prepared. However its faster and easier to carry spare ammo than it is to have 3 guns. I believe in 1 back up in case the main gun is taken or otherwise put out of commision. Its also faster to reload usually than to draw a gun from a ankle or pocket holster.
Pat
Pocket gun holds 8.
ankle gun holds 5.
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Sounds like your prepared. However its faster and easier to carry spare ammo than it is to have 3 guns. I believe in 1 back up in case the main gun is taken or otherwise put out of commision. Its also faster to reload usually than to draw a gun from a ankle or pocket holster.
Pat
MrPink
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Well five better be enough because that's all my S&W 340PD will hold. Sure I usually have a speedstrip along for the ride, but if I have to reload a revolver, I'd damn sure better have put some distance and cover between me and the problem.
Although I have to confess I have been eyeing an S&W 386PD. Its seven shots put it on par with a 1911 and eighteen ounces is pretty light. I'm trying to figure out if it'll fit in my jacket pocket and if anybody makes a pocket holster for it.
Although I have to confess I have been eyeing an S&W 386PD. Its seven shots put it on par with a 1911 and eighteen ounces is pretty light. I'm trying to figure out if it'll fit in my jacket pocket and if anybody makes a pocket holster for it.
I carry a Kimber Custom in 45ACP with no reloads. I have 9 shot and I feel just fine wherever I go.
If you need more than a couple rounds you probably should not have let yourself get into that situation any way, but it is always better to be prepared than to wish you had more ammo.
If you need more than a couple rounds you probably should not have let yourself get into that situation any way, but it is always better to be prepared than to wish you had more ammo.
Although I have to confess I have been eyeing an S&W 386PD. Its seven shots put it on par with a 1911
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I assume you mean round count. But your a touch off. With 7 round mags the 1911 holds 8 rounds total and with 8 round flush mags it holds 9 rounds.
Pat
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I assume you mean round count. But your a touch off. With 7 round mags the 1911 holds 8 rounds total and with 8 round flush mags it holds 9 rounds.
Pat
MrPink
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355sigfan,
Granted the mag can hold 7 or 8 rounds and +1 for the chamber. I am old and old fashioned: I like 7 round mags and I like to load from the mag and have a place (ie, the mag) to put the chambered round when I need to clear it.
Granted the mag can hold 7 or 8 rounds and +1 for the chamber. I am old and old fashioned: I like 7 round mags and I like to load from the mag and have a place (ie, the mag) to put the chambered round when I need to clear it.
Mil Novecientos Once
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2 COM + 1 Head = 3 rounds
SHOT PLACEMENT: if you can't hit the target within the first seconds of the confrontation it doesn't matter if you have 15+1 or 7+1
If you face multiple goblins, IMO, its better to single serve starting with the closest treath while shotting, moving, shooting, moving and looking for cover if available.
TheeBadOne
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One, as long as it counts
On-duty I carry an H&K USP .45f w/10 rds in the gun and two spare 10 rd mags on the belt. Why? Because I have a double mag pouch
Off-duty, a 1911 variant 7+1 and a spare 7 rd mag on the belt. Often there will be an additional 7 rd mag nearby, or in a coat pocket, or in the glove box, etc.
On the rare occasions that I carry my Kahr P-9 I always carry 2 spare mags for a total of 22 rds.
Regards,
Happyguy
Off-duty, a 1911 variant 7+1 and a spare 7 rd mag on the belt. Often there will be an additional 7 rd mag nearby, or in a coat pocket, or in the glove box, etc.
On the rare occasions that I carry my Kahr P-9 I always carry 2 spare mags for a total of 22 rds.
Regards,
Happyguy
swifter
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I've long held the firm belief that if you haven't solved the problem, or achieved adequate cover (preferably both) by the time you shoot a 5-shot J-frame dry, you probably have problems that can't be solved by shooting them...a hemorrhage, f'r instance. Doesn't mean you shouldn't carry reloads, mind...
Tom
Tom
Moparmike
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How many 1911 mags will a .50bmg ammo box hold?
RightIsRight
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Personally, I carry a 13" barrel Mossy 500 with a 12 shot extension tube. I also carry at least 200 rounds of tactical buckshot and 150 rounds of 1 oz. slugs. I ALWAYS wear a trenchcoat. Even when frequenting Asian Massage parlors.
In that coat, I also carry a SAW with 8-10 backup belts of ammo.
I only whip the SAW out if I have to engage multiple bogeys. For the most part, the Mossy is enough to scare off the usual idiots. If for some reason, I am stripped of my gats, I fall back on the multiple years of Ninjitsu training I aquired while doing my CIA internship in Nagasaki.
In that coat, I also carry a SAW with 8-10 backup belts of ammo.
I only whip the SAW out if I have to engage multiple bogeys. For the most part, the Mossy is enough to scare off the usual idiots. If for some reason, I am stripped of my gats, I fall back on the multiple years of Ninjitsu training I aquired while doing my CIA internship in Nagasaki.
I would love to see some of these folks (the ones who say "Five is enough" Or "Six is plenty" or "If I can't handle it with five or six rounds, it just can't be handled" show up at their local IDPA match and try shooting at multiple targets while moving - or shooting weak-hand only.
I'm gonna go way out on a limb here and say that a lot of them (not ALL of them, but a LOT of them) would change their tunes.
I'm gonna go way out on a limb here and say that a lot of them (not ALL of them, but a LOT of them) would change their tunes.
Vern Humphrey
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Maybe we should point out that realworld shootings are not governed by statistics nor by IDPA rules.
In other words, if 99% of defensive uses of firearms don't involve a shot being fired, that is no guarentee that when YOU need a gun you won't have to fire it.
Nor is there any guarentee that your use will resemble any shooting match, no matter how practical.
So you MIGHT not have to fire a shot. Or you might have to fire only a few shots. Or you might shoot your gun dry and need more ammo.
A spare magazine is no great burden, and there is really no reason NOT to have extra ammo.
In other words, if 99% of defensive uses of firearms don't involve a shot being fired, that is no guarentee that when YOU need a gun you won't have to fire it.
Nor is there any guarentee that your use will resemble any shooting match, no matter how practical.
So you MIGHT not have to fire a shot. Or you might have to fire only a few shots. Or you might shoot your gun dry and need more ammo.
A spare magazine is no great burden, and there is really no reason NOT to have extra ammo.
The various matches leave one big option out that is always present in street attacks. The option to retreat when shots are fired. To win in the matches you are required to attack each taget. To win in the street you are required to just get out the encounter alive. After your presentation of a weapon or your first shot the attackers may choose retreat. As soon as the attack starts I'm planning a retreat. The longer you stay in the battle, the greater your odds of losing become.
The games are fine, but you better remember that in the street you are pitted against another unpredictable human. The games and the real world are on different levels.
The games are fine, but you better remember that in the street you are pitted against another unpredictable human. The games and the real world are on different levels.
IDPA is fun, but it is fantasy!
First, the "assailants" aren't shooting back. Been there, done that with Iranians on motor boats before everyone and their cousin served in the Persian Gulf. "Fully reactive targets" shoot back. Then you find out what every cop or combat veteran has ever found out when being shot at: Manuevering is overrated if you have good cover and don't have to expose yourself to return fire.
Having been shot at by Islamofascists while hunkered down behind a pintel mounted Ma Deuce, with a steel plate shielding it, gives me a large amount of appreciation for infantry and cops, two groups who might have to manuever under fire. My only taste of having to clear places with even potential hostiles was in ship boarding in international waters and that is gut wrenching even when nothing happens. People who have to move about under fire or clear an unknown space with potential hostiles, have my utmost respect of their courage. Knowing the feeling, and knowing that the whole world sucks at that moment when shot at, my preference in a hold-up or "street confrontation" will be to dive to cover if it is available, draw, and stay there unless I can't. I'll draw and fire without cover if I need to save myself or a loved one thank you very much, and then get to cover, but not manuever just because there are targets in the area or because I gamed a scenario just like this one once or twice during a shooting game.
Does any of my admittedly little experience with warfare translate to my civilian shooting life? I tend to think so, especially when I participate or watch range activities. Several observant people have pointed out what I already tend to think: Gaming reloads and weak side shooting or shooting many "perps" in a stage is a load of BS. Sure, someday someone might get to play the role of The Punisher, but it is exceedingly unlikely.
In the real world there will not be any pop-up steel cutouts waiting to be neatly double tapped in the A-Zone or Mozambiqued. Contact distances will likely be way shorter than the 15 yards I see many people practicing against. I often see, and I'm even guilty of it myself, more time spent banging away for giggles or tighter groupings and not enough practicing a draw and first shot or two. For that aspect alone, IDPA is worth something.
However, let's not confuse the artificiality of the tactical scenarios in a game, wherein no one tries to break contact, the good guys all play Bruce Willis in Die Hard, the bad guys are almost always attacked one at a time in a scripted stage, and their inanimate morale always holds long enough for you to have to perform a "tactical reload," with real life.
I'd feel perfectly fine with a five-shot .357 Magnum revolver. The chances of anything more than presentation or "brandishing" being required are vanishingly small, and if the weapon needs to be used, there would be enough, with one reload, to get anything done you are likely to survive, alone, weak-handed or otherwise.
First, the "assailants" aren't shooting back. Been there, done that with Iranians on motor boats before everyone and their cousin served in the Persian Gulf. "Fully reactive targets" shoot back. Then you find out what every cop or combat veteran has ever found out when being shot at: Manuevering is overrated if you have good cover and don't have to expose yourself to return fire.
Having been shot at by Islamofascists while hunkered down behind a pintel mounted Ma Deuce, with a steel plate shielding it, gives me a large amount of appreciation for infantry and cops, two groups who might have to manuever under fire. My only taste of having to clear places with even potential hostiles was in ship boarding in international waters and that is gut wrenching even when nothing happens. People who have to move about under fire or clear an unknown space with potential hostiles, have my utmost respect of their courage. Knowing the feeling, and knowing that the whole world sucks at that moment when shot at, my preference in a hold-up or "street confrontation" will be to dive to cover if it is available, draw, and stay there unless I can't. I'll draw and fire without cover if I need to save myself or a loved one thank you very much, and then get to cover, but not manuever just because there are targets in the area or because I gamed a scenario just like this one once or twice during a shooting game.
Does any of my admittedly little experience with warfare translate to my civilian shooting life? I tend to think so, especially when I participate or watch range activities. Several observant people have pointed out what I already tend to think: Gaming reloads and weak side shooting or shooting many "perps" in a stage is a load of BS. Sure, someday someone might get to play the role of The Punisher, but it is exceedingly unlikely.
In the real world there will not be any pop-up steel cutouts waiting to be neatly double tapped in the A-Zone or Mozambiqued. Contact distances will likely be way shorter than the 15 yards I see many people practicing against. I often see, and I'm even guilty of it myself, more time spent banging away for giggles or tighter groupings and not enough practicing a draw and first shot or two. For that aspect alone, IDPA is worth something.
However, let's not confuse the artificiality of the tactical scenarios in a game, wherein no one tries to break contact, the good guys all play Bruce Willis in Die Hard, the bad guys are almost always attacked one at a time in a scripted stage, and their inanimate morale always holds long enough for you to have to perform a "tactical reload," with real life.
I'd feel perfectly fine with a five-shot .357 Magnum revolver. The chances of anything more than presentation or "brandishing" being required are vanishingly small, and if the weapon needs to be used, there would be enough, with one reload, to get anything done you are likely to survive, alone, weak-handed or otherwise.
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