How silly would a CX4-storm be for self defense?

[mmike87]

It's certainly not as silly as having no gun at all for defense.

 

[ryoushi]

I like the idea of a carbine chambered in the same round as your SD handgun. I like my SA 1911 in .45 acp so a Storm in .45 would be cool. I can hit with the pistol, my wife can hit better with a shoulder fired weapon.

I live in Calif, though so no Storm for me.

 

[dfaugh]

I have a large house, and therefore keep 4 HD guns handy
Upstairs/downstairs and front and rear. One of them is a 9mm Hi-Point carbine. Loaded with +P+ Black Talons. Wouldn't be the first gun I'd use (prefer shotgun w/ 00 buck), but if that's the one I can get to, I wouldn't worry about it doing the job.

 

[Bazooka Joe71]

I don't think theres any question that it would be just fine to use for SD. Get a red dot for it and you'd be money.(is that the response you were looking for?)

Just pick up a Px4 to go with it

 

[MinScout]

Well, here's my $.02. If I lived in an urban area where break ins and home invasions were common, I'd definitely consider a carbine like the CX Storm over a handgun. It's a bit more powerful and it can be fired more accurately. Assuming one practiced with it and used a good dot sight, It would certainly be an advantage over some thug with a handgun. I'd be interested to see a ballistic comparison between the much-vaunted 125 gr JHP .357 fired from a 4 inch barrel and a 124 gr JHP 9mm+P from a carbine. Might be interesting

Also, unlike a shotgun with buckshot, recoil is very slight, so other family members could probably handle it pretty easily, even one handed, if required.

 

[smince]

I have a Mechtech CCU on a 1911 frame. That is my usual choice as a go-to weapon at home, although I have several rifles and pistols and am reasonably proficient with each. At 30" overall (after adding the CAR-type stock to it) it is very handy, light-recoil, very accurate and reliable. I use Wilson Combat 10-round mags in mine loaded with Black Hills 230grn +P's.
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I don't see a problem with the Storm Carbine.

 

[Walkalong]

If I make it to my gun safe in time the loaded weapons are.
A 1911 .45 auto
A CCU in .45
A Ruger mini 14 - next to my unloaded scoped AR.
and a NAA .22 Mag ?? just is. (a pick it up and go kinda thing)

CX4 in 9mm in the back. Now .40 or .45 would be something.

 

[Motor-T]

I think everybody has strayed far from the premise of the thread. Nitrogen wanted to know if the CX4 would be "at least passable for self defense uses".

He's looking for a marginal reason to buy the gun.

I say that the storm is at least passable for personal defense in the home. So buy it if you want it. It's what I would do.

 

[RaetherEnt]

I lOVE my Storm .45. It's more accurate than any pistol I have, and with the laser mounted on front I can very quickly acquire targets and make shots. (On paper at least

For home defense, I use the shotgun. Barring that, I would much rather have the Storm than any of my .45 pistols in case a BG was coming down my hallway late at night.

 

[Walkalong]

I think everybody has strayed far from the premise of the thread

Right you are Motor-T
Yes! If the Storm was .40 or .45 or if you just like 9mm the CX4 Storm would more than pass mustard!

 

[torpid]

I think everybody has strayed far from the premise of the thread.

Hey, I didn't!

 

[gscrasher]

The original question certainly generated a storm of response. Good excercise.

Many people regard the 9 mm, .40 SW, and .45 ACP as suitable and sufficient calibers for self-defense handguns. Couple this with the fact that for most folks it is much easier to shoot well with a compact carbine than with a pistol, especially when under extreme stress. It seems inescapable that the Storm in a pistol caliber would be a fine self-defense weapon.

Much discussion has been carried on about the same problem on other forums, often centering around Marlin lever actions in .357 or similar types of guns.

Recall the reason for the the development of the .30 M1 Carbine during WW2.

My 2 cents.

 

[anotherinkling]

It's great. Get one if you like it. I had a chance to shoot a .45 Storm not long ago and really liked it. Good ergonomics (and I went in skeptical) and super accurate at the close ranges you're talking about. Four milk jugs and quick double-taps to each at 15-20 yards--fun! I shoot 1911s more accurately than other types of handguns, but the Storm beats a handgun readily (of course). For home defense, a shotgun's going to be my first choice, but a Storm would work well at longer ranges. Just be cautious about what lies beyond your target.

 

[Curare]

I really don't care what the stat is for living/dying after being shot with any particular round. I care very much what the stat is for "stopped what they were doing and dropped" when shot with any particular round. The two are not necessarily correlated.

I believe that there is a correlation between "[stops]" and deaths. You do not have to have a 100% match between 2 events for a correlation to be present. For example a 50% correlation would imply that 50% of Stops would be Deaths. A correlation is present but it is not 1:1.

 

[Keith Wheeler]

I've mentioned my SBR Uzi carbines in other threads.

My wife and I shoot our Uzis quite often. I don't think we'd shoot a shotgun, if we owned one, nearly as often. So in a general sense maybe a shotgun is better, but isn't the gun you actually know how to use a feel comfortable with better than the theoretical "best" gun?

We live in a semi-rural area, on 30 acres. I don't feel bad at all thinking of my Uzi as a "property defense" type of weapon. And it'll shoot +P+ subgun loads, which are not the same thing as 9mm pistol ammunition.

 

[1911user]

A storm would work fine. I have a kel-tec sub2K in 9mm and have no issues with it being used for home (or yard) defense. The fold-in-half feature is a nice bonus for travel or storage. I can shoot paper plates at 50 yards quickly with no problem; good enough for me.

 

[mindwip]

I say get the gun you want. Be it rifle in .22 or pistol in .22 or a 30-06. No matter what, shooting someone with a bullet tends to give the guy pause as to weather this is a good idea or not. Get what you want and have fun. Be safe. Enjoy showing off your bg gun to all your friends.



My 2 cents

 

[Skeptic]

If you want the gun and can legally purchase it, then do so.

 

[dispatch55126]

There is an elderly guy on the news who killed a burgler with a .22 rifle. Anything works if used correctly.

 

[ArfinGreebly]

I Have One

+1 on SuperNaut.

I have a CX4-9. I also have a Marlin Camp 9. They both hit coke bottles nearly every time at 50 yards. The Marlin is really for outdoor use. The CX4 has been designed for closer quarters.

The CX4 has better ergonomics up close. It's shorter, lighter, balances farther back, has a front rail for light/laser, can be fired one-handed, fired from the hip, and with wide open sights it acquires very quickly at distances < 20 yards.

(Wide open sights: the rear sight has three positions, long range (peep), short range (peep), and wide open -- where you're looking through a gap a half-inch wide to the front sight.)

In my house, the only places I'd have trouble with it would be the smaller bedrooms and bathrooms. I have nearly 60 unobstructed feet from my bedroom door to the front door, and 20-to-30 foot areas in most other areas.

Although intimidation is not a guaranteed stopper, I know for sure that if I walked in on someone with one of those, I would put the crowbar down and back away.

And, since you're going to be getting a PX4 in the same calibre you'll be pleased to note that the current crop of CX4s and PX4s will share not only ammo but also magazines. If you get an older CX4, then the mag well works with the 92 and 96 mags, but they do an adaptor for those which allows using the PX4 mags.

Home defense? Absolutely.
Estate (yard, grounds, soccer pitch) defense? Absolutely.
Personal defense? Would fit nicely in the car's trunk or behind the seat in the truck.
Just fine for CCW, assuming you're nine feet tall and wear baggy pants.

 

[Foxtrot427]

Would firing a .223 inside without ears really permanently damage your hearing? A folding stocked .223 rifle like a converted dr-200, ar180b, some AKs, su-16 seem like good rifles. Just if a .223 is really that intense inside, thats not good for follow ups.

 

[smince]

I really don't care what the stat is for living/dying after being shot with any particular round. I care very much what the stat is for "stopped what they were doing and dropped" when shot with any particular round. The two are not necessarily correlated.

If I were to fire a shot and miss, but it caused the BG to stop his action, would it still be considered a "One-shot stop"?

 

[ArfinGreebly]

Firing .223 inside

You definitely want to have something covering your ears for that dance.

A couple of barks from a 16-inch AR indoors will leave you with church bells and mosquitos for hours -- even days.

I'm still wondering why the Surgeon General hasn't campaigned for mandatory suppressors on home defense weapons.

 

[gaweidert]

Ok. If you break into my house, I will use my Hi-Point 955 carbine to fight my way to my Camp Defender. If you are still coming at me after 8 rounds of 00 then I grab one of my AR's loaded with 60 grain TAP. After that it's my SAR-1. As second to last resort you face my Garand. If you are still kicking then I just grab one of my Mosin Nagants and beat you to death. When you finally stop kicking I mount the bayonet to it and stick you to the floor so you don't move until the cops come.

A Storm should work fine. Biggest thing is training with the weapon you intend to use so that everything you do with it is a habit. Having it and not being intimately familiar with it isn't much better than not having it. In such a scenario you will be under stress and will revert to whatever training you have. Training will give you the confidence and control to face the situation with a high likelyhood of a favorable, for you, outcome.

 

[ozwyn]

Should be fine. Considering from a budget standpoint you can get a pistol and carbine that share both caliber and magazines and get the job done (assuming you do yours on shot placement, and hey, if you need to stop a threat, don't be too stingy on ammo if your life is on the line.)

Not everyone wants to store a ton of ammunition in 4+ calibers, so for a 1-2 caliber collection solution it should be a good choice.