Huge news in IL (CCW, removal of Chicago AWB)
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"A business owner has to post a sign that says no firearms allowed, right?"
"Right"
"But they, the business owner, will still be allowed to carry a firearm under existing law?"
"Right"
.... I beg to differ.
The way this law is written, a sign banning concealed carry on a private business applies to ALL people on that property. There's no language in HB183 that pre-empts existing unlawful use of weapons exemptions; in fact, quite the opposite. HB183 has language that says UUW is no longer applicable to CCW holders. INCLUDING the part that allows for carry by a landowner.
These people need to study how the proposed bill interacts with existing laws better.
This bill is still a royal mess.
"Right"
"But they, the business owner, will still be allowed to carry a firearm under existing law?"
"Right"
.... I beg to differ.
The way this law is written, a sign banning concealed carry on a private business applies to ALL people on that property. There's no language in HB183 that pre-empts existing unlawful use of weapons exemptions; in fact, quite the opposite. HB183 has language that says UUW is no longer applicable to CCW holders. INCLUDING the part that allows for carry by a landowner.
These people need to study how the proposed bill interacts with existing laws better.
This bill is still a royal mess.
Yup, this bill sucks.
It's the original SB2193 that passed the house, but without the preemption that would knock out Chicago's assault weapons ban.
It SHOULD, however, knock out the high capacity magazine ban on handguns, and registration thereof. At least there's some silver lining.
It's the original SB2193 that passed the house, but without the preemption that would knock out Chicago's assault weapons ban.
It SHOULD, however, knock out the high capacity magazine ban on handguns, and registration thereof. At least there's some silver lining.
I don't believe they added any restricted zones.
This appears to be the original SB2193 language.
E.g.
* No restrictions on out of state residents driving through with a firearm so long as they would qualify in their home state to carry a concealed firearm. If you leave your vehicle you have to securely lock the firearm in a case or lock the vehicle.
* Out of state residents may apply for a non-resident license, fee is $300, all training requirements / etc must be met. NO RECIPROCITY.
* You may carry a loaded firearm in to "restricted zones" only in a vehicle, and must store the firearm securely before exiting your vehicle in the parking area. You may also unload the firearm and carry it around to your trunk for secure storage.
Public right of way crossing has been added:
Prohibited private property CARRIES FORCE OF LAW and there are notification requirements:
You must not carry a firearm with over .08 blood alcohol content, or risk misdemeanor / felony charges.
Felony charges for carrying in a restricted area were REMOVED.
Preemption lifts any ordinances related to handguns. (Amendment 7 strikes the word CONCEALED from this section)
So they took the cowards way out and left us with a worthless law. 
My rep and state senator are in for a large piece of my ind if they voted for this.
My rep and state senator are in for a large piece of my ind if they voted for this.
Jeff -
Yup, this was not the original HB997, this was the watered down and greatly expanded SB2193. The senate couldn't change SB2193 so they copied it over to HB183 and made changes there, to remove the Chicago assault weapons ban preemption.
24 new gun free zones are established (in addition to the existing Federal ones). Which includes a prohibition on carrying on public transportation and in public housing.
Training requirements 16 hours. They did add a waiver of 8 hours for military service and 8 hours for passing a hunter education course in a last minute compromise.
The new law will pre-empt home rule only for HANDGUNS. Meaning, magazine restrictions for handguns in cook county / Chicago are gone. Chicago handgun licensing, gone.
But the assault weapons ban stays.
Yup, this was not the original HB997, this was the watered down and greatly expanded SB2193. The senate couldn't change SB2193 so they copied it over to HB183 and made changes there, to remove the Chicago assault weapons ban preemption.
24 new gun free zones are established (in addition to the existing Federal ones). Which includes a prohibition on carrying on public transportation and in public housing.
Training requirements 16 hours. They did add a waiver of 8 hours for military service and 8 hours for passing a hunter education course in a last minute compromise.
The new law will pre-empt home rule only for HANDGUNS. Meaning, magazine restrictions for handguns in cook county / Chicago are gone. Chicago handgun licensing, gone.
But the assault weapons ban stays.
Considering the ISP is working though a backlog of 90,000 FOID card applications and the bill doesn't really identify the requirements to be a certified instructor except for police firearms instructors, I would guess that it will be 12 months or more after the effective date of the law before the first CCW permit is issued.
I hate the state I grew up in and I am leaving before it collapses in on itself. I have had enough!
I hate the state I grew up in and I am leaving before it collapses in on itself. I have had enough!
Yeah, if you add it up, it could be as long as next May before some people get their CCW permits.
+180 days for the State Police to have it all up and running.
+90 days for the State Police to approve the first app
+30 days if you don't get electronic fingerprints
+30 days if LEO objection occurs, for review board to hear your case
+30 days if the review board needs an extension (they decide, and they can do this multiple times)
= 1 year
EDIT:
Best case (assuming ISP doesn't pull a miracle and have it up and running early)
+180 days for the ISP
+90 days for your app, with electronic fingerprint submission
= 9 months
That's if they drag their feet. Which, being a large bureaucracy will probably happen..
+180 days for the State Police to have it all up and running.
+90 days for the State Police to approve the first app
+30 days if you don't get electronic fingerprints
+30 days if LEO objection occurs, for review board to hear your case
+30 days if the review board needs an extension (they decide, and they can do this multiple times)
= 1 year
EDIT:
Best case (assuming ISP doesn't pull a miracle and have it up and running early)
+180 days for the ISP
+90 days for your app, with electronic fingerprint submission
= 9 months
That's if they drag their feet. Which, being a large bureaucracy will probably happen..
Rey B
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Still not coming back
I grew up in Illinois and came back when the Navy needed me at Great Lakes. Retired from the Navy and left again. I am one state east and a whole lot better off for it. I visit family but that is all. Best of luck to those of you still there.
I grew up in Illinois and came back when the Navy needed me at Great Lakes. Retired from the Navy and left again. I am one state east and a whole lot better off for it. I visit family but that is all. Best of luck to those of you still there.
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Thanks, we need it.
Racinfan83
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Well - I guess it is a step in the right direction - but a darn small one. About the only good it does me as I live in MO is that I will be able to carry in MO and still have it in my car if I go to IL. The "no reciprocity" is horrible. But obviously that is just so they can get their $300 off non-residents. And there are so darn many rules with this (from what I have read on here) - that to really carry in that state - even WITH a permit - would be such a hassle that it wouldn't be worth it. Especially since it is a CRIME to get caught with a CW in a "gun free zone"?? There are so many "gun free zones" on this bill that chances are you WILL run afoul of one no matter where you go or what you do..
Hope the voters over there finally wake up one day and vote in some legislators with some COMMON SENSE and they can rework this whole thing....
Hope the voters over there finally wake up one day and vote in some legislators with some COMMON SENSE and they can rework this whole thing....
I make a point to detour around Chicago if I am in that part of the country. Besides the obvious the highways that go through are in bad condition and usually filled with speeding traffic. It is such a joy to get to Indiana or Iowa.
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