Huge news in IL (CCW, removal of Chicago AWB)

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4. 3rd offense of violation of a gun free zone is now a class 4 Felony. 1st and 2nd offenses are class A misdemeanors (max 1 yr in jail, 2500 fine).


Which would cost MOST people everything.. jobs, house.. car.. family.
 
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5. Instructor certification deadline pushed from 60 to 90 days. (Originally was 45)
 
6. Out of state residents can no longer carry a loaded firearm. Must comply with UUW laws, unloaded and in a case.

Also #1 above is incorrect, safe harbor still exists inside a vehicle.
 
Well, SB2193 is dead. That's the moderately acceptable one that restricted carrying pretty much everywhere, but at least would have seen the end of the Chicago assault weapons ban.

Cullerton didn't let it out of committee today. Rallied his troops in the (stacked) Executive committee, where it failed by two votes.

Now, we're looking at HB183.

Which is an even MORE restrictive version of the bill mentioned at the head of this thread, but cuts out all of the pre-emption of home rule language.

Now it's the "great showdown."

And it's looking EVER more likely, as if we're going to go off that really big cliff in to constitutional carry.
 
SB2193 is not dead yet. It just has not left committee yet.

HB183 will die when it goes over. Madigan will see to it. It is being expected that Cullerton is waiting for HB183 to be smacked down by Madigan before he allows SB2193 through.
 
VVelox said:
SB2193 is not dead yet. It just has not left committee yet.

HB183 will die when it goes over. Madigan will see to it. It is being expected that Cullerton is waiting for HB183 to be smacked down by Madigan before he allows SB2193 through.
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HB183 still has to be passed by the senate and it looks like Cullerton might not have enough votes to do it. Its all a big chest bumping game between Madigan and Cullerton. And remember, Madigan still has the original 997 sitting in committee in the house that he can throw up into the senate if he needs too!
 
Cullerton, Katowski and Raoul can go pound sand in my opinion. I wish their constituents would wake up to the fact that they sympathize with criminals. Violent felons don't deserve second chances. That's what they really are afraid of. That people will begin to defend themselves and then there won't be anyone to put through their ex offender reform programs they like to brag about.


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JohnsXDM said:
HB183 still has to be passed by the senate and it looks like Cullerton might not have enough votes to do it. Its all a big chest bumping game between Madigan and Cullerton. And remember, Madigan still has the original 997 sitting in committee in the house that he can throw up into the senate if he needs too!
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You guys seem to be assuming that what you are seeing is real, and not a scripted show. I don't know what the deal is anymore than anyone else does but there is a strong chance this was always part of the plan.

Who knows what the end game is.

Something I wrote elsewhere.

I think both carve outs and may issue are going to be seen as very suspect by the court. Thats why it might be a good thing to accept either or both at present IF a decent pre-emption clause can be achieved.

I am no lawyer but the preemption clause in the new ("bad") bill strikes me as not a whole lot different than the wide ranging clause in Phelp's bill that is pretty explicit.

It uses the term "firearms" in mentioning preemption and not "concealed firearms". However, "firearms" was never redefined so it means firearms, unlike in Phelp's bill where concealed firearms means concealed handguns for some reason. It would thus seem to cover all firearms. One would think that regulating what can be possessed would amount to regulating what can be carried, so it may be that they have written in a wide ranging preemption without realizing it.
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My thoughts, your words ilbob.
It wouldn't surprise me if the whole show was pre written, pre planned, and rehearsed by the powers that be Illinois politics. They've certainly had enough time to put something together. Until the ink is dry on a final version, we know nothing. Something is gonna have to emerge soon but it is still morphing while we wait and watch.
 
Kingcreek said:
My thoughts, your words ilbob.
It wouldn't surprise me if the whole show was pre written, pre planned, and rehearsed by the powers that be Illinois politics. They've certainly had enough time to put something together. Until the ink is dry on a final version, we know nothing. Something is gonna have to emerge soon but it is still morphing while we wait and watch.
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Not sure if I agree with that.

I think what we are witnessing is a great example of why this state is so dysfunctional. Egos. Special interests. Backroom deals. And.. power.

Remember people don't often run for office to 'make a difference.' Some do. But many have a hard time sticking to their convictions.

How many times did they mention the word "control" in committee hearing yesterday? Dozens? Hundreds?

The frequency of a word appearing in a debate is very telling of motivation and importance.

We ALL know this is about control. Who, among them, best can flex their muscles from behind the desk and make people jump to complete their agenda?

The only thing WE can do is sit back and speculate (for now), because none of us are privy to the inner machinations of the game they are playing. Unfortunately, these games have an effect upon our daily lives; even our livelihood, if you run afoul of the new law in some unfortunate way. Imprisonment is the first step to deciding "case law"; how these new laws are interpreted... of which there will be LOTS of in the years to come.

Which is why I don't understand the ego demonstrated behind some who are supposed to be "on our side." At this point we are ALL just along for the ride. Including the NRA, who was (by Todd V's words) excluded from all talks in the deal between Madigan/Phelps/et al. Sure, he was certainly pushing Phelps from behind the scenes, and certainly helped educate him on what some of the finer points of CCW / firearms were over the last several years. But .. when it got to the 5 yard line, he was punted from the game.

Which might be for the best, considering the public's general view of the NRA at this point.

Going "neutral" may have been the best move they've ever made, for Illinois gun rights.
 
Unfortunately I live close to the Republik of Illness - and many things I like to do force me to go there... That said - I will never understand why those people continue to elect morons to run their state - when all they have done in the past whoknowshowmany years is to run it into the GROUND... Most corrupt city and state in the country. Schools failing. Infrastructure falling apart. Budget always BILLIONS in the red - despite some of the highest taxes in the country. Restrictive and unconstitutional gun laws - both in Chicago and statewide. High crime rates. Doctors moving out of state due to ridiculous malpractice insurance costs created by liberal judges granting ridiculously huge $ amounts in cases. I don't know how anyone can stand to live there. And most of my friends who live there are GOP. But many don't vote because they know the downstate doesn't matter. Its all about Chicago. Their vote trumps all the rest of the state. And that is WRONG. They need to make Chicago it's own state like DC. Then maybe some common sense laws could be passed in the rest of the state ...
And as to the current issue - we pay $100 + the cost of your 8hr training class for a CCW permit here in MO. I don't personally think that's too bad. We have gun free zones here too - but all they can do is ask you to leave the premises if you mistakenly uncover your gun and someone says something about it. Which is how it should be. No need for turning the law-abiding citizen into a criminal just because his shirt came up exposing his cw for a second. And they should have to allow reciprocity. I shouldn't have to pay $300 and take more training for their license when I already have paid and trained here. That is a load of......
 
Which might be for the best, considering the public's general view of the NRA at this point.
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The public's general view of the NRA is pretty positive here. Do you mean it's different in Illinois?

Unfortunately I live close to the Republik of Illness - and many things I like to do force me to go there... That said - I will never understand why those people continue to elect morons to run their state
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I have no idea what could interest you in Illinois. I solve my differences with them, by simply not going there. (Nothing against the people, just the leadership.)
 
Another day gone by and Cullerton is still sitting on Hb183. He can't bring it up for a vote because he can't find (force) enough votes to pass it.
 
I think the endgame is to make a great show of this, and at the last minute Lisa Madigan appeals the 7th Circuit decision to the USSC and gets a temporary stay until the court decides if they will hear the appeal.

This pushes the entire issue back to at least the Fall Veto Session. WE live with the status quo, the downstate dems can say they did the best they can, the Chicago dems can say they kept the streets safe for their Gangster Disciples allies.

They can't pass a budget, pension reform or deal with any other controversial issue, what makes concealed carry any different? Concealed carry will be kicked down the road along with every other issue in this state. :fire:
 
Jeff White said:
I think the endgame is to make a great show of this, and at the last minute Lisa Madigan appeals the 7th Circuit decision to the USSC and gets a temporary stay until the court decides if they will hear the appeal.

This pushes the entire issue back to at least the Fall Veto Session. WE live with the status quo, the downstate dems can say they did the best they can, the Chicago dems can say they kept the streets safe for their Gangster Disciples allies.

They can't pass a budget, pension reform or deal with any other controversial issue, what makes concealed carry any different? Concealed carry will be kicked down the road along with every other issue in this state. :fire:
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Of all the possible things that can happen, I think Lisa filing for cert, getting it, and getting a stay is the most likely. But, it is still like a 1 in 3 kind of thing. I suspect at this point just about anything could happen.
 
I have no idea what could interest you in Illinois. I solve my differences with them, by simply not going there.
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Well - where I work, half of my friends are from IL and half from MO. So we split things like golf (play over there and then they come over here and play), The race track my buddy races his UMP Mod at (which I crew for) is in IL, the only drag strip in the area is in IL, and the top specialist shop for my ZR-1 Corvette is in IL. SO as much as I would like to avoid that place altogether - I have too many reasons to end up in it... I do try to not buy anything there that I don't have to though..
 
The public's general view of the NRA is pretty positive here. Do you mean it's different in Illinois?
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JohnsXDM said:
South of I80 its positive, north of I80 and say east of I355 its probably 10% positive. Way to many brain washed sheeple in the Chicagoland area.
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Yes, the view of the NRA up north is very poor, mainly due to the Rahm/Bloomberg advertising. But even mid-state, there's an alarming amount of people with a negative view of the NRA. I can only take anecdotal evidence based on people I interact with, but in the Peoria / Bloomington, it's probably 50/50. Universities are especially bad about this. I have teachers & staff of both on my social media lists and many are (surprisingly) gun neutral but (exceptionally) anti-NRA. As you go north, NRA goes from distasteful to vile in the public eye.

It's shocking to live in a State that already HAS "universal background checks", yet see anti's all up in arms against the NRA because this failed on a national level. We're an excellent example here. We have a major metropolitan area with the highest murder rate in the country, despite 20+ years of "universal background checks" and other nasty restrictions being in place.

I'm getting off on a tangent here, but it's an important one in the IL political climate.

Unfortunately I live close to the Republik of Illness - and many things I like to do force me to go there... That said - I will never understand why those people continue to elect morons to run their state
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The problem isn't why morons get elected up north - but rather, why we only get morons on the ballot. Anyone with a brain that is capable of independent thought doesn't make it past primaries. Anyone who is against the machine overtly gets muscled out. The vast majority of those 'morons' get elected without ANY opposition whatsoever on the ballot. People have been trying since 1970, when the constitution was re-written by Daley, to get this state "fixed" again, and quite frankly, they've utterly failed to make a dent in the system he put together.

Districting is the biggest problem. Chicago can maintain a majority in both houses by drawing the lines on the map wherever they choose.
 
Nothing in the senate so far today. Evidently they are working on a 'final version' of HB183 to present. Deadline to send something to the house is tomorrow. Failing that CCW legislation goes in to overtime in special session.

It might send us over the cliff.
 
Trent said:
The problem isn't why morons get elected up north - but rather, why we only get morons on the ballot. Anyone with a brain that is capable of independent thought doesn't make it past primaries. Anyone who is against the machine overtly gets muscled out. The vast majority of those 'morons' get elected without ANY opposition whatsoever on the ballot. People have been trying since 1970, when the constitution was re-written by Daley, to get this state "fixed" again, and quite frankly, they've utterly failed to make a dent in the system he put together.
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That's what happened down here. Jason Plummer (R) was running against a (D) who decided to "drop out" (he got "appointed" to some cushy state job) AFTER he had a fairly large campaign fund. In steps relative unknown ex-Soc. Sec. "advocate" (lawyer) William Enyart. :barf: Enyart was given the other guy's campaign funds as he wasn't well known enough to get as much himself. :eek:

Enyart was an "appointed" general to the Ill. Natl. Guard (by Blago no less!) :fire: and, during the debates with Plummer, chastised Plummer for not referring to him by his appointed rank (Jason is a LT. in the Navy but stationed at Scott AFB) despite the fact that they were in civvies at a non-military function! :what:

That's how "low-class" Enyart is, and he replaced Jerry (Jesus Christ!) Costello who retired after getting his wife appointed as the head of the local JR. college, Southwestern Illininois College (SWIC). :banghead:
 
JTHunter said:
That's how "low-class" Enyart is, and he replaced Jerry (Jesus Christ!) Costello who retired after getting his wife appointed as the head of the local JR. college, Southwestern Illininois College (SWIC).[/SIZE][/FONT] :banghead:
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A certain state senator once got a dean position added at an IL law school. the school did not want it, and asked that it not be funded but he arranged for the funding.

He also arranged for his wife to take the newly created and completely unnecessary and unwanted position.

When she left the position the school neglected to fill it. It may be still open.

Maybe waiting for Mrs. Obama to come back.
 
Senate committee is in session.

Even though they've removed the portion that'd preempt Assault Weapons in cook county...

... The Chicago machine are still pushing for more limitations.

Right now they are not happy at all with the provisions that still pre-empt transport.

"So you mean a gun runner could load up 100 firearms in their car, and if they got stopped, the police would just have to let them go?"

Sigh.

That room is FULL of all kinds of stupid.
 
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