Huge news in IL (CCW, removal of Chicago AWB)

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IL house adjourns until October 12th!

Finally.. we can breathe easy.

We got through the storm.

No assault weapons ban.

No magazine ban.

We didn't everything that we wanted, but we got Shall Issue carry with preemption of all handguns. Chicago handgun license, gone. Chicago handgun magazine ban, gone. Chicago handgun registration and registry, gone.

All in all, Illinois weathered the Sandy Hook storm a LOT better than some other states.

Now, I take a break for a while, to get back to my garden, kids, and spend some more time at the range.

Don't know how many countless letters and e-mails I (and thousands of others) sent, how many phone calls we all made.. but I do know we made an impact. iGOLD, the 2nd amendment flash rallies, and lots of local work.

So, stand easy IL residents, we won.

:)
 
Trent said:
IL house adjourns until October 12th!

Finally.. we can breathe easy.

We got through the storm.

No assault weapons ban.

No magazine ban.

We didn't everything that we wanted, but we got Shall Issue carry with preemption of all handguns. Chicago handgun license, gone. Chicago handgun magazine ban, gone. Chicago handgun registration and registry, gone.

All in all, Illinois weathered the Sandy Hook storm a LOT better than some other states.

Now, I take a break for a while, to get back to my garden, kids, and spend some more time at the range.

Don't know how many countless letters and e-mails I (and thousands of others) sent, how many phone calls we all made.. but I do know we made an impact. iGOLD, the 2nd amendment flash rallies, and lots of local work.

So, stand easy IL residents, we won.

:)
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Some freedoms finally regained. I can do with 16hrs, we've been waiting YEARS. Knockout home rule AWB hopefully next.
 
Blackbeard said:
Can I get a amen!
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I'm Buddhist, but what the hell. Amen. :)

I'm not happy about how CCW turned out; won't be able to protect my family in all the places we go together.

HOWEVER, I'm overly-super-extra frigging excited we didn't end up with a state wide magazine or assault weapons ban. When they brought the Sandy Hook parents in, I cringed, because I thought that'd throw it over the mark. The magazine ban failed by only a few votes. It was CLOSE.

Anyway, I'm off the board for a bit, watching this big tornado live streaming from OKC... poor buggers are getting hit AGAIN by a mile wide tornado!
 
We didn't everything that we wanted, but we got Shall Issue carry with preemption of all handguns.
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Help me out here as I am not fully understanding this statement.

Are you now able to get a concealed carry permit in Illinois and carry a handgun? What are the requirements exactly?

Will Illinois accept the permit from my home state of Utah when I travel through the state?
 
Jeff White said:
So they took the cowards way out and left us with a worthless law. :fire:

My rep and state senator are in for a large piece of my ind if they voted for this.:cuss:
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yeeees sir it IS a dry bone with NO meat thrown to us dogs.

16 hours training times $$ per hour PLUS $150 fee. who can afford that. and what agency is going to conduct the training?? ISP LOL.they are sooo backed up with FOID apps they don't know what day it is.

this thing is a COMPLETE joke and NOTHING to get excited about.

the ONLY solution is vote ALL these suckers OUT!!!.
 
the ONLY solution is vote ALL these suckers OUT!!!.
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Could you guys explain that to me. How and why does a state with such a rich history have such a corrupt government?
 
CZguy said:
Could you guys explain that to me. How and why does a state with such a rich history have such a corrupt government?
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Two reasons:
1-Illinois is, in fact, a single party government.
And 2-that one party is the wrong one.
 
I think jumping through hoops and the relatively high fees to get a permit will discourage some people, particularly poor people. And it is poor people living in areas where poverty is concentrated who face the worst problem with crime. While the intent of the law is not racial bias, the effect will be since blacks face more poverty than whites.

I saw a study once that showed that for white people there was no correlation between crime and gun control laws, but for black people the more strict the gun control law, the more crime. This was because poor, honest black people had much more difficulty legally acquiring guns in strict gun control locations, hence were more defenseless.

I suppose I shouldn't care; I don't live in Illinois, I am not black and I am not poor, but I just hate to see stupidity, and laws that effectively are cruel to some groups. Shall not be infringed doesn't mean it is ok to infringe on the right to keep and bear pistols; it means what it says in spite of Judges who want to say it means something else. Damn these anti freedom politicians.
 
It was not the greatest bill but by no means is it the worst. There are a lot of people right now on the right and left coasts that would love to have a CC bill this good!
 
Although much progress HAS been made in Illinois with this bill, the fact remains that it is not yet law.

And, given the political proclivities of the major players in power, it cannot be assumed that it will be either signed into law by Governor Pat Quinn (read: "Chicago Democrat"), nor that any veto by Governor Quinn would be overruled by this "supermajority" in the House and Senate.

In other words, it is not a "fait accompli" and requires due dilligence until the Fat Lady stands up and sings.

And even following an outstanding performance by the Fat Lady, the opposing, and much established, political organization will dig in their heels and provide all the resistance they can by whatever means at their disposal.

And resist they will. There will be red tape (already built into the bill), there will be court challenges, there will be police resistance, and there will be political/media campaigns to that effect.

I agree...what is in the works is a big step for the likes of Illinois citizens, even if some here scoff at it. But it is only a beginning which must be sheparded through all the coming obsticles as well.

Congratulations on this progress...and thank you, Trent, for taking the time to keep us up to date on it.
 
People in NJ and elsewhere would be doing backflips with joy for this law. Realistic expectations are met.

Willie

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First off, thank you Trent for keeping us current on this thing. That musta been a lotta work.

Second, democracy has been served. The system worked, and it worked pretty good. A federal court ruled IL's laws unconstitutional and told them "fix it", and IL responded appropriately. IL Democrats, traditionally anti-gun, weighed the federal court's ruling along with voter wishes and came up with something a LOT more in line with what we want. The system works.

I know a lot of people on this board aren't happy unless they're bitching about "the gov't", but let's set aside political rhetoric and lip service for a moment and take an objective look at gun rights over the last several decades. Observance of the 2A has flourished over this time.

I remember years ago when FL first got a carry law. It was considered "extreme" at the time, so much so that a political cartoon depicted the USA on a map with a gun handle (like a single action revolver) for the state of FL. Nowadays, every state in the union has carry laws. How far we've come!

We live in a big country with 300 million people, all of whom have their own ideas about what direction we should be headed in and what's "right". And since everyone gets an equal vote, there's going to be a lot of push/pull and discourse over stuff like this. That's what a healthy, well functioning democracy looks like.
 
JohnsXDM said:
It was not the greatest bill but by no means is it the worst. There are a lot of people right now on the right and left coasts that would love to have a CC bill this good!
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Maybe. An expensive shall-issue LTC that allows you to carry almost nowhere versus an expensive may-issue LTC that allows you to carry almost anywhere.

Think about it. It won't change anything at all for the vast majority of people. they can either get a LTC but can't use it for anything useful, or they can't get one in the first place.

However, the preemption side of it is helpful.
 
Well said 0to60!

I lived in IL for 20 years, 10 of which I was old enough to carry a handgun, and would have been happy to see this go through. You have to keep working at chipping away the anti-gun stronghold.
 
RetiredUSNChief said:
Although much progress HAS been made in Illinois with this bill, the fact remains that it is not yet law.

And, given the political proclivities of the major players in power, it cannot be assumed that it will be either signed into law by Governor Pat Quinn (read: "Chicago Democrat"), nor that any veto by Governor Quinn would be overruled by this "supermajority" in the House and Senate.

In other words, it is not a "fait accompli" and requires due dilligence until the Fat Lady stands up and sings.

And even following an outstanding performance by the Fat Lady, the opposing, and much established, political organization will dig in their heels and provide all the resistance they can by whatever means at their disposal.

And resist they will. There will be red tape (already built into the bill), there will be court challenges, there will be police resistance, and there will be political/media campaigns to that effect.

I agree...what is in the works is a big step for the likes of Illinois citizens, even if some here scoff at it. But it is only a beginning which must be sheparded through all the coming obsticles as well.

Congratulations on this progress...and thank you, Trent, for taking the time to keep us up to date on it.
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^^^ Everyone interested should read this. Twice.

USN is absolutely correct. I'm wary of the Governor, and further manipulation. By building in such a long time for the Illinois State Police to implement to implement this act, once it becomes law, they have ensured they have an opportunity to "mess" with it more in the next session this fall. The Illinois State Police testified as opponents at EVERY committee hearing this year (and in years past).

Chicago lawyers will likewise try to enforce it as strictly as possible, and there will be a lot of unlucky folks caught in the middle as case-law is determined in our penal system.

This being said, at this point there is nothing further gun owners can do except wait and see. We've written our letters, made our phone calls, filed our witness slips, rallied and paraded... and now we wait. Patience should come easy for us; some of us have been waiting 20+ years for this.

As far as thanking me, don't need to, I've just been playing reporter and analyst on this as I've had time, and CountZero has posted as much or more than I have about it on THR. He's more objective, too. I tend to be overly critical and snide about our Government.

No, the ones you have to thank are the ones at SAF who took the court cases all the way to the 9th and hit a grand slam for us.

As far as killing that magazine ban? Now THAT.. was grassroots, all the way. :)
 
0to60 said:
I know a lot of people on this board aren't happy unless they're bitching about "the gov't", but let's set aside political rhetoric and lip service for a moment and take an objective look at gun rights over the last several decades. Observance of the 2A has flourished over this time.
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I take from this trend, that being critical and demanding accountability from the powers that be is the only way to achieve a correction in the path of wanton wastefulness that our Government has taken.

And yes I'm "one of those people on this board that isn't happy unless I'm bitching about the government". Heck, I might even be the ranking champion for the most outspoken and critical that has not yet been banned for it. ;)

The CCW bill isn't much to get overly excited about, HOWEVER, stopping Chicago cold in their tracks on the magazine ban, assault weapons ban, and giving them a nice smack in the face saying they can no longer regulate handguns, PERIOD... well, that makes my day.

Truth be told I care a LOT less about carrying a gun in public than I do keeping my extensive collection intact. I have a lot wrapped up in hardware and plan on passing it to my children when my time on this rock is finally over.

But, then again, I'm a healthy 180 lb. 6'1 man with decades of self defense training, and not a 110 pound girl or 70 year old lady whose car breaks down in a bad neighborhood. Self defense mindset, for me, has always been a high intensity close quarters affair and I'll probably continue to carry a blade instead of a boomstick, given all these restrictions.

But preservation of life is only one aspect of our 2nd amendment.

The other, perhaps even more important aspect, is preservation of heritage and way of life. Without the capability, skills, and knowledge to effectively maintain and use long arms, our society loses a critical part of the safety net that was built in so long ago. Which is why I'm working on building up a rifle training program in this area, instead of profiteering on CCW classes.

So there is still a lot of work to do. I think the most important thing from HERE, EVERYWHERE, is to train the next generation on the fine art of putting lead on paper. Because if we don't, we will eventually lose. Big.
 
CZguy said:
Could you guys explain that to me. How and why does a state with such a rich history have such a corrupt government?
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the good ol boy club has been alive n well for 50 years. its strictly members ONLY they take care of the ones that take care of them.
 
The ISRA sent this email out yesterday evening:

SPECIAL ALERT - PLEASE READ



A MESSAGE TO ISRA MEMBERS FROM ISRA PRESIDENT DON MORAN

Fellow Members:



As most of you know by now, a "concealed carry" bill passed both chambers of the Illinois General Assembly yesterday, the last day of the legislature's regular session. By doing so, Illinois has partially met its obligations as ordered by the federal appeals court. The next set of milestones includes getting the governor to sign the legislation and for the state police and other government agencies to implement the provisions of the new concealed carry law.



The bottom line up front is that anyone who feels that the war has now been won is sorely mistaken. The government of Illinois is not any less anti-gun today than it was at this time last year. Passage of this concealed carry bill has not transformed Illinois into Texas by any stretch of the imagination. While the concealed carry bill has left gun owners feeling lukewarm, the gun control movement is boiling mad. You can expect the gun controllers and their friends in the legislature's anti-gun caucus to come back at us with a vengeance. You better believe that the gun-grabbers will make sure that the road to concealed carry implementation a rocky one. You better believe that the gun controllers will redouble their efforts to make private firearm ownership too expensive and too impractical for the average citizen.



As I write this letter to you, the ISRA's team of attorneys and legislative analysts are pouring over the concealed carry bill to evaluate both the obvious and the more subtle ramifications contained in the bill's language. I will not speak to the details of the bill until that analysis is complete. However, it is important that you understand that the bill affects all gun owners - whether they decide to apply for concealed carry or not. There is no illusion that this legislative solution to the court order was arrived at in an atmosphere of trust. Therefore, at this juncture, we are not entirely sure whether the concealed carry bill is an honest effort to enhance your security, or a gun control Trojan Horse that endangers your right to keep and bear arms. When we have a better understanding of the bill and its implications, I will issue further communication with you.



I'm sure you can appreciate that it's been a long road from where we were a decade ago to where we are today. Once a decision in the Heller case was reached, we all knew it was just a matter of time before an opportunity would arise to bring the concealed carry issue to a head in Illinois. The McDonald and Shepard cases laid the groundwork for the final push to compel Illinois to allow average citizens to carry defensive firearms for the protection of themselves and their families. Although our job is far from over, I am very proud of the ISRA's leadership role in forcing Illinois to implement concealed carry.



In closing, I would like to recognize the efforts of our Executive Director, Richard Pearson and the rest of the ISRA lobbying staff. Without their diligence and tenacity, the legislature could have easily passed a very restrictive concealed carry bill yet still meet the requirements of the court order. Thanks to our lobbyists' hard work, the concealed carry bill was passed without being encumbered with gun bans, or magazine restrictions.



I would also like to thank our many local partners who got behind this fight for the long haul. Among them are Illinois Carry, Second Amendment Sisters, Chicago Firearm Safety Association, Guns Save Life, and the McHenry County Concealed Carry Association. It goes without saying that, at the national level, the help Illinois gun owners got from the NRA and the Second Amendment Foundation was invaluable in helping us join the 49 other states that allow good citizens to defend themselves. We are also very grateful for the moral support lent by our fellow NRA state affiliates from across the nation.



So, until you hear from me again, I ask that you sit tight and be prepared to respond to our calls for support. I cannot overemphasize the fact that passage of concealed carry is not the end of the war to preserve and protect your gun rights. We have merely opened a new battlefront where success will require a vigorous defense of what we have accomplished and an aggressive push to achieve what is right. The ISRA draws its strength from its members. I know I can count on you all to step up and face the challenges that lie ahead. Those future challenges will be great, but not insurmountable. Preservation of the right to keep and bear arms is an American cultural imperative. I am confident that the cause of the righteous will prevail over those who seek to diminish the principles upon which our great nation was founded.





Sincerely,



Don Moran

President

Illinois State Rifle Association
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Gun Control Trojan Horse??? :what: I'm afraid my fears might not be unfounded.
 
given how we have been played by the other side and sucker punched every time I am not all that surprised.

hey jeff - read GFZ clause 22 and see how much mischief a clever person could make of that.

(22) Any street, driveway, parking area, property,
building, or facility, owned, leased, controlled, or used
by a nuclear energy, storage, weapons, or development site
or facility regulated by the federal Nuclear Regulatory
Commission. The licensee shall not under any circumstance
store a firearm or ammunition in his or her vehicle or in a
compartment or container within a vehicle located anywhere
in or on the street, driveway, parking area, property,
building, or facility described in this paragraph.
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Think carefully about this one.
 
Hunter125 said:
What are the 24 gun free zones? Our where can I go to read them?
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Just think of anywhere you might want to go. It's probably one of them. It would have been a lot easier for them to just list where you can carry.

Does anyone really expect Kim Jung Emmanuel to just roll over on this and say "Well, I guess we just need to let them carry in Chicago now"?
 
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