I currently work at an airport which is owned and operated by the city. Besides TSA there are Public Safety Officers, and the customs folks. The Public Officers work for the city. Being as I'm a city employee I'm not allowed to carry any weapon on city property. It does'nt matter that I have a concealed carry license. If you're not a city employee you can carry anywhere you want to except in the secured areas. (If it's concealed and you are licensed) So if you are not going to go through any check points you don't have to worry. Only ticketed people are allowed past check points. Checked baggage is inspected at the ticket counters and carry-on is done at the secure area check point. I don't think you have anything to worry about. You seem to have a good grip on the situation, by understanding that you're the one that screwed up. The TSA and officers were just doing their job. No system is perfect. If the hassles of getting checked and searched will save a life I'm all for it. If any of you ever get stopped for any reason, just cooperate completely. The ones that have the biggest problems are those that get mad and shoot off their mouths.
i did a really dumb thing , how much is it gonna cost me
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LAK Supply
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That shouldn't be your call, or the government's. Gunfights on airplanes....? You mean like all those gunfights that erupted in the "wild west" streets when concealed carry was implemented in 2/3 of the states?
I fixed this for you:
Airplanes are different for at least three reasons:
1. The stakes are much higher than at a shopping mall - thousands of lives are at risk if somebody was able to take control of the plane with a box cutter and fly into a building.
2. Forbidding all firearms on airplanes has been shown to work. It effectively strips people of their ability to defend themselves against blades, bombs and other threats.
3. Any discharge of a firearm on a pressurized aircraft is likely to cause decompression. Just like all those CCW holders that AD and shoot things every day, right?
Sorry; not buying it. People CCW every day, and the only thing disarming them does is allow them to become victims. Sure, there may be somebody at some point who takes a gun on a plane and does something stupid; there could also be somebody who decides to do something like take hostages and hijack a plane. The background for the CCW will weed out most of the idiots.... can you really say the same for a determined jihadist with a mad on?
bogie
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If a bad guy somehow gets on a plane, well, he's a bad guy. He's planning on bad. That's kinda his first name, you know? BAD?
Now, the passengers can either (a) not do anything, which may end up with their names on a useless memorial somewhere; or (b) attack Bad Guy with anything they have.
Sporks suck as tactical weapons. Even if they're the black kind.
And since folks aren't allowed to have sharp things, well, it's just rush 'em and hope the run out of bullets and nobody gets mortally wounded.
Real New York/Chicago/LA kinda moment there...
Or... The guy in the third row, with his carry permit, pulls out that cute little Kel-Tec while the guy's looking the other direction, puts two in his back, and one behind his ear. The passengers chip in to send him on a vacation.
Oh, and if one of those rounds misses? And say he's carrying a big gun, like a .45? Oh, heck... Let's go full-on Dirty Harry... The S&W Model 29 and a Half clears leather and Blam! There goes a hole in the window...
Boy. There's a bit of a whooshing noise. And all those gas masks drop. And the whooshing noise continues. And gets REALLY irritating.
Planes don't "violently decompress" from that sort of thing. Unless you're in a movie. If you're in a movie, don't shoot the window. But in real life, as long as no passengers are behind our terrorist hijacker friend, you're good to go.
You may now return to Democratic Underground...
ColinthePilot
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I got news for ya. Shooting a gun on a crowded airplane is no more dangerous than shooting a gun on a crowded bus. Rapid or Explosive decompression is not likely to occur just from a few <half inch holes in the pressure vessel. Airliners actually have valves that constantly dump old air and they constantly repressurize with fresh air. a few holes in the fuselage can be compensated for easily by the dump-valves.
And sure you may be safe on the plane, but as Chris Rock says "Don't go to parties with metal detectors." Everyone outside the airport at your destination knows you don't have a gun.
Again, "airplane safe" ammo is similar to "bus safe" ammo. the only difference between airliners and buses is that the airliner has 2 pilots and the bus only has one driver.
I have gotten through security with certain contraband before, accidentally. I got held up in Denver about a year ago because i accidentally packed my swiss army knife in a bag that i then decided to carry on. they let me run up to the post office and mail it home.
LegalAlien
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Semantics
I know it is semantics . . . but the above is physically impossible.
If you are lying on your stomach, NOBODY can place a pebble on your stomach. :banghead:
But, even if the semantics were corrected and the victim is lying on his back, it would still not be physically possible to crush himto death with an overload of pebbles .. . you would not be able to stack that many pebbles on a person's stomach, without the pile collapsing and pebbles spilling off the intended victim
Sorry for being off topic .. . but the example does not fly
I know it is semantics . . . but the above is physically impossible.
If you are lying on your stomach, NOBODY can place a pebble on your stomach. :banghead:
But, even if the semantics were corrected and the victim is lying on his back, it would still not be physically possible to crush himto death with an overload of pebbles .. . you would not be able to stack that many pebbles on a person's stomach, without the pile collapsing and pebbles spilling off the intended victim
Sorry for being off topic .. . but the example does not fly
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You...you mean that the finale of "Goldfinger" couldn't happen IRL...?
Some people say I sit on the internet...I say I'm furthering my education!
That's right. Jefferson never said it. No citation for it has ever checked out. You'll won't find any law journal articles citing it either. Although I'm sure Bill Bob's Beer Can Page has some great quotes.
Here's a list of some bogus quotes including the one at hand: http://guncite.com/gc2ndbog.html
Perhaps it's a paraphrase of this legit quote by James Madison: "Perhaps it is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged against provisions against danger, real or pretended from abroad."
Here's a list of some bogus quotes including the one at hand: http://guncite.com/gc2ndbog.html
Perhaps it's a paraphrase of this legit quote by James Madison: "Perhaps it is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged against provisions against danger, real or pretended from abroad."
Seriously, I feel so sick and nauseated right now after hearing this, I am wondering should I take the subway or walk home instead, later. The way I feel right now, I can't get on the train.
I got to do some more research on this.
I got to do some more research on this.
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living ones life based on sci fi books can generate some interesting results,
how do you chose between paul and kucinitch?
how do you chose between paul and kucinitch?
Yeah man, I read that Madison quote carefully, and it is essentially what the bogus one is. Probably someone rewrote it so the internet people (meaning us too) can have an easier time reading it and understanding it.
I feel slightly better now. But I'll wait a little while more before getting on the train.
) can have an easier time reading it and understanding it.I feel slightly better now. But I'll wait a little while more before getting on the train.
SENORLINC I did the same thing in September 2005, but mine were 12ga 7 ½ reloads. There were two of them in my carryon bag. I have no idea how long they were in there. I think they probably made two round trips to HI with me before this trip. Anyway they filled out some papers on me and let me make my flight. I was making a one way flight from Missoula, MT to San Diego, CA. About two months later I got a letter telling me what law I broke and that I better not do it again or else. The letter also said they would consider this the end of it if I didn’t do it again. I don’t know if that means for the rest of my life or a time limit. The law is the same one that covers the pocket knife that many people forget to take out of their pocket. The law looks to me like the fines ect are the same for the pocket knife and the ammo. They just make a bigger deal out of the ammo. For the knife there is a box you can through it in, and that is the end of it. In May 2005 I made a one way flight from San Diego to Missoula and I had the SSSS on my ticket and I was searched four times. I ask the guy if he just wanted me to take my pants off so he could do a good search. He didn’t think that was necessary. I will probably have six S’s on my next ticket after that commit. I have not been on a flight since. I will keep that letter forever just in case some new guy comes across my file and wants to bring it up again.
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If we permit firearms on airplanes, explain to me how we prevent the bad guys from carrying while allowing the good guys. And when an armed bad guy slips on anyway, how do you ensure that there's a good guy aboard to shoot him?
I have a feeling it was just a typo.
What I would like to know, is how come YOU get fined? You were allowed to enter the plane with something that they consider "dangerous" and "contraband". Doesn't that mean that they failed in doing their job of keeping the entire plane trip safe? Maybe you should send THEM a fine. What do you think is fair for not allowing you to legally carry something like that on board, but obviously not being good enough to protect you in case a bad person tried to get it there?
It seems to me that if they catch you with it trying to get on, then you have to dispose of it somehow before you get on. But if they catch you with it AFTER you've been screened, that is their own responsibility and they should be punished not you.
LAK Supply
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You know as well as I do that there is no way to guarantee this. The CCW process will remove most people who aren't supposed to be carrying, but there is no way to be 100% effective.
Perhaps you could explain how the "safe" environment that the current TSA assumed-criminal system "creates" prevents this same thing? The way I see it they killed nearly 3000 people with their "safety" just a few years back.
A determined bad guy is going to find a way to get something on that flight... if you wish to trust an inept federal government for your security, well- that's your choice. I trust myself over the fedgov any day. The gov't taking the people's weapons away does nothing but make them sitting ducks for those who break the law.
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I actually had something similar happen last year.
Flying through Denver, after the RM3G match, security found a single round of .223 ammo in the carry-on that I had been using as a shooting bag. Oops.
I sat around for half an hour while the TSA filled out an incident report, sacrificed the .223 round, and went to get on my plane.
About two months later, I got a note from the TSA. It went something like, "Blah blah blah...you were caught with an item on the prohibited list...blah blah blah....in the future be sure to review the list of prohibited items....yadda yadda yadda....at this time we have determined that this notice adequately addresses the incident. Hugs and Kisses, the TSA."
Since then, I've flown several times, once with guns to another match. I haven't been blown any additional static yet.
Unless the TSA arrested you at the scene, I don't think you have anything to worry about. If you get a summons or other official document rather than the blow-off I described above, you might want to retain a lawyer and/or flee the country.
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P.S. - That last part was a joke. Jeez.
Flying through Denver, after the RM3G match, security found a single round of .223 ammo in the carry-on that I had been using as a shooting bag. Oops.
I sat around for half an hour while the TSA filled out an incident report, sacrificed the .223 round, and went to get on my plane.
About two months later, I got a note from the TSA. It went something like, "Blah blah blah...you were caught with an item on the prohibited list...blah blah blah....in the future be sure to review the list of prohibited items....yadda yadda yadda....at this time we have determined that this notice adequately addresses the incident. Hugs and Kisses, the TSA."
Since then, I've flown several times, once with guns to another match. I haven't been blown any additional static yet.
Unless the TSA arrested you at the scene, I don't think you have anything to worry about. If you get a summons or other official document rather than the blow-off I described above, you might want to retain a lawyer and/or flee the country.
- Chris
P.S. - That last part was a joke. Jeez.
rollback88
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A couple years ago, as I was putting my shoes back on after walking through the metal detector, I look up and the TSA is standing in front of me with my brief case. "Sir, there is a tool in your bag."
I don't get that one very often. Just as I remember that I forget to remove a staple gun from the day before, the poster boy for Blackhawk tactical gear is in my personal space whilst the TSA lady fishes out the offensive "weapon."
Suppose I could have tacked up some posters around the plane...
As to the OP, that is why I always use a dedicated gun bag for all shooting stuff.
--jcd
I don't get that one very often
. Just as I remember that I forget to remove a staple gun from the day before, the poster boy for Blackhawk tactical gear is in my personal space whilst the TSA lady fishes out the offensive "weapon." Suppose I could have tacked up some posters around the plane...
As to the OP, that is why I always use a dedicated gun bag for all shooting stuff.
--jcd
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