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Rogelio

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Hello Guys!

I haven´t posted in quite a while... I have mostly been reading what you all have to say..I have always enjoyed that because it is both informative and VERY fun!!

I am back at posting because I wanted to tell you about what happended to me on Monday´s night. It was a very scary moment and I am lucky it went that way

Now to the story: after hanging over at my cousin´s place (his parent´s place) showing him my newest toy, a CO2 gun from Gamo -R77 co2 revolver- I headed back home and it was a very nice night, so I decided to walk instead of driving...I asked for my uncle´s permission and left my car in their garage (I live 12-13 blocks apart, so it wasn´t that far away)...It is important to say that due to my family being mostly anti gun (exept for my GREAT parents) I decided not to carry any firearms into their house..I had my collapsible baton (21 inch, but not an asp because they don´t sell those down here!!)and I felt pretty safe with it.

I had not walked over 5 blocks and two not very friendly looking guys yelled at me from accross the street asking for the time..I answered "I don´t have a watch, sorry guys" but one of them started an approach -Damn!!!!I never leave home without at least a gun!!What the hell was I thinking!!!!-

Let me tell you I almost peed (spelling please?) my pants when one of them quickly changed his attitude and started approaching me in a fast way saying "¿Qué chucha es eso de que no tienes reloj conchatumadre?" (lets say he asked why the F*** I didn´t have a watch). After hell was over, I discovered I had actually peed my pants. :uhoh:

Training and attitude kick in whitout you thinking about it...things happen really fast!!! The approaching guy put his right hand into his shorts pocket, I snapped my baton and hit him in his right side ribs and the left shoulder muscle (I carry my baton weak side 9 o clock). The second guy had not crossed the street and started throwing small rocks at me while cursing loudly.I started moving and searching for cover (where is a good piece of cover when you need it????)and put myself behind a car.Took out the little co2 gun and shot him all the 8 times...he fell to the floor crying loudly.

Dialed 105(your equivalent for 911) , called my uncle- he is the president of the Jurado Nacional de Elecciones, he sent cops really fast- while I was covering both guys with the asp. I had to hit the first one again in order for him to comply.

Cops arrived (they were 5 blocks away, god bless)and the 2 guys were beaten again...I was safe, but smelled really bad and had a lot of trouble talking to my uncle..I was just incapable of saying a single coherent sentece.

First guy was carrying brass knuckles ( I think they weren´t made of brass, maybe some other material beacause they looked like an inox finish) and got 2 broken ribs, a "fisura" (I don´t know the english word for that..it is when you don´t break a bone, but just "crack" it) in the lower left leg and one hell of a bruise in his shoulder.

Second guy suffered from a broken tooth (caused by the pellet that was found stuck in the roof of this mouth, lucky shot I guess, and 4 other airgun wounds in the face and neck area. (plus, a heck of a beating by the cops).

I swear here in front of you guys, that I will NEVER again leave my house without a gun, no matter who can it disturb or who will dislike me for that, my life is way too valuable for me to put at risk.
 
Yikes. Thanks for sharing the story with us. We can all probably learn something from it. You seemed to have the situation under control when the police arrived. Is beating suspects SOP for the police in Peru?

I'm glad you didn't get harmed.

btw, nice shooting

Second guy suffered from a broken tooth (caused by the pellet that was found stuck in the roof of this mouth, lucky shot I guess, and 4 other airgun wounds in the face and neck area.
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Sounds like you did well, Rogelio, with what you had, glad you're safe.

As to the "fisura," I think the term would probably be, like you said, a "cracked" bone.

~Slam_Fire
 
More precisely, a 'greenstick' fracture. It's where the bone cracks partially, but doesn't separate, which would be a compound fracture. Mostly found in children, because their bones are still growing, like a 'green' stick branch on a tree. It can be found in young adults, also.
Glad you weathered the storm, and did the best you can with what you had. Proof that mindset is as important as weaponry, although as you said, it's better you go armed. ;)
 
Heh - them boys should be glad you didn't have your regular firearm on ya. They wouldn't have had to worry about the cops beatin' them. :evil:
 
Thanks for all your kind replys. About the cops beating the suspects, it really is not a common thing, but sometimes some of Lima's finest take crime personally.

I never tought that airguns would have the power to break teeth.
 
Good job Rogelio...don't worry about peeing your pants. It is actually common for the human "animal" to urinate or defacate when the body shifts violently into "FIGHT OR FLIGHT" mode. It is simply a primal way of evacuating anything you don't need that can hinder the fighting or the fleeing!

You did fine Pal.
 
yep. thats why i try to always make sure i use the facilities before leaving my house. :D

rogelio, 'concealed' means 'CONCEALED'. unless its against the law for me to be armed, i never am unarmed. then again, i do live in a place where i'm more at risk of being trampled by a moose than to be mugged, but still!
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entropy
More precisely, a 'greenstick' fracture. It's where the bone cracks partially, but doesn't separate, which would be a compound fracture.






I was taught that a compound fracture is when the bone potrudes through the skin. I could be wrong, but that's what the docs at the med cen said.
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I know it doesn't jive with the whole presumed innocence thing but sometimes I wish that cops could beat the crap out of people here in the US.


Good job it sounds like you did good.



On a side note I would be interested to know what the gun laws are in Peru? Do you have to have a permit to carry, do you have gun shops, can everyone own a gun?
 
Gun laws in Perú are quite simple:

You can own both handguns and long guns when you are 18 (that is, if you can pay for them!!! They are pretty expensive when you realize that a Bersa 380 goes for 330 USD and that the minimum wage worker makes 420 soles a month! -1 usd = 3.34 soles-) you have to apply for a permit and pass qualification every year.Permits are so-so expensive and can take a month to be granted.But renovation of the permit (given that you pass qualification) is a 3 day thing.You apply for a permit for each gun you own, so you pay for the gun at the shop but don´t take it home, it goes to the DIGESCAMEC (peruvian BATF) and there you apply for the permit for that specific gun.Thay will give you the gun when you get your permit.

You can own handguns in any caliber up to .380 acp, but you can not own any caliber that has the denomination "LUGER","PARABELLUM",MAGNUM".Revolvers go just up to .38 spl

Long guns, up to .270
Shotguns up to 12 gauge -10ga is outlawed-

No automatic or select fire weapons

Only FMJ or LRN projectiles

And the "only" cool thing here is that we do not have any kind of ammo capacity regulations.If you find a gun that can hold 2 million rounds, its okay while it complies with everything above.

I hope that helped you understand the gun laws of my country.

BTW, check out www.armaqsa.com for an idea of what we can get. I personally shop at www.gunsupply.net
 
Well done, you survived, bad guys are in jail = you win.

On the other hand I like the fact that the cops beat the criminals... wish they could do that here... and I dont like that you cant have a large caliber handgun... I love my .45 :D
 
Bet they don't try that again! :D Excellent work for the good guys there Rogelio.

Maybe wetting your pants helps to confuse the opponant? It is not something I've experienced but heck I'm willing to try anything once. Sure seemed to work for you ;)
 
Rogelio,

I'm glad you're alright. You did a good job of keeping your wits about you under stress.

Regards,
Dave ;)
 
I know it doesn't jive with the whole presumed innocence thing but sometimes I wish that cops could beat the crap out of people here in the US.
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Until you end up on the receiving end of one of those beatings...then you'll change your mind...
 
What he described would be a cracked rib.

A cracked bone shows evidence of being broken but the ends have not separated. It doesn't require "setting" but might still warrant some sort of restraint during healing.

If the break is complete the ends have separated. The ends will have to be realigned (set) and then restraint (cast or similar aparatus) applied for healing.

Greenstick fractures are most common in children who have more flexible bones. The bone breaks and the ends separate on the outside radius of the break, but on the inside radius, the bone only bends and does not separate. Very similar to when one trys to break a green stick.

A compound fracture is when the bone breaks, the ends separate and one or both of the broken ends pushes through the skin.

Rogelio,

You are very fortunate. You escaped without injury AND you were able to do so without killing anyone. That's about as good as it gets.
 
Wowsa...couple observations.

1. You kicked a$$ then took names - great job. Good thing you had the asp and CO2 gun. You acted quickly and decisively, which likely saved your bacon.

2. Your English is better than many Americans.

3. Odd how the cops there seemingly routinely just beat up suspects - that doesn't happen here - usually - well, I should say, not supposed to happen.

4. Self-defense tools are likely quite a bit more important than slightly lesser-developed countries such as yours, where the crime rates are higher.

5. The asp is a better incapitator than the airgun sounds like. The airgun, while no manstopper, makes them hurt afterward at least, whether you win or lose.
 
This story should be forwarded to all anti organizations here in the US.

Funny thing is some might have the cheek to argue that one person being beaten (the victim) is better than two people being beaten (the perps). Commie logic. :mad:
 
a CO2 gun from Gamo -R77 co2 revolver
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Curios, but what pellets were you using? Just the flathead match ones?

I loved my PT-80 gamo until i broke it....well, sorta, it still fires but in a very rough single action mode.

Need to get more cartridges for i though. Twould be nice if you could get ones more than 400 FPS, something like 1000 fps would be good, but those only come in the 200$ air rifles.
 
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