If I were to buy just one SA revolver....

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If I were to buy just one single action gun for fun, I know many of you would say get a Colt SAA. And I may end up doing that.

But Colt aside, who would you list second? I want to know what other SA guns/brands I should be looking at. I will probably only own one, as I prefer my SA/DA Smiths more for collecting purposes.

Is there one particular brand that is more accurate, better made, easier to clean or stays in time better than another?

Thanks,
Robert
 
One of hamilton Bowen's creations. Colt huh? Try a diet of Hot loads and see how it stands up.:neener:
 
I'm really happy with my Ruger Vaquero.
It's solid, prints decently on paper, and cleans up real nice :D
Depending on my mood, I'll put .357's in it one day, .38's the next.
 
Freedom Arms: head and shoulders above anything else.
Ruger Blackhawk: Best thing going for under a grand.


Colt, nice, historical, more of a looker than a shooter in my opinion. Not as strong as those mentioned above. Sights not as good as those mentioned above. I wouldn't mind having one. I would enjoy owning it. But if I could only own one SA that I intended to seriously shoot, it wouldn't be a Colt.
 
My choice would be a blued, faux CCH Ruger Vaquero in 5.5". It would be chambered in 44-40. Why? Ruger isn't going to make anymore. Get the Ruger white faux ivory factory grips. They made fewer of them.
 
The Freedom Arms model 97 mid-frame in 357 is quite possibly the best overall SA wheelgun ever built. It has about the same heft as the Colt SAA, it's stronger, accuracy is just unreal, the ergonomics are perfection itself.

Prices start at $1,400 but at that, it's a FAR better value than a Colt SAA.

FA's "model 83" series is a HUGE frame originally designed for the 454Casull mega-magnum. Big, clunky, potent as hell...basically a specialized hunting tool. Magnum Research's "BFR" series is another variant on the same concept, and a lower-price source for "factory built handcannons" using a Ruger-compatible action.

Colt's SAA is a good gun, excellent metallurgy compared to most of the Italians, but there's still often some final tuning/action work desired by people who buy them to shoot them.

Colt's "Cowboy" on the other hand is their lower-cost equivelent. Every report describes it as a "turd" or worse. Avoid at all costs.

If what you want is a classic Colt-type with no integral safety (sixgun carried five-up like the old days) and that real Colt SAA feel/heft, the single best value is probably the US Firearms (USFA) guns. You can get them as a fairly plain finish "Rodeo" for about $500, or prettier variants for more money that shoot just like a Rodeo (which is to say, VERY well). They're made in the OLD Colt plant, and are generally considered better guns than the real current-production SAA. Basically, USFA makes just one gun - when they finish it themselves plain, it's a Rodeo, when they ship it unfinished to Turnbull Restorations it ends up looking drop-dead gorgeous - see also: http://www.gunblast.com/Cumpston_USFA-PreWar.htm and http://www.gunblast.com/USFA_Rodeo.htm

The various Italian clones of the SAA are the cheapest option, running as low as $200 for a Cabella's Millenium. They range from marginal to quite good; the best of these are probably the Ubertis imported by Cimmarron and hand-inspected/tuned in the US. Cimmarron also specs some models that are unique to them, including Bird's-Head and Lighting-type grip frame models. Like the SAA and USFA critters, these are safely carried "five up", hammer down on an empty cylinder.

Exception: Uberti, the biggest of the "Spaghetti SAA" houses, has been bought by Beretta. The first new Beretta SAA is the interesting Stampede - early specimens are being reviewed very favorably; these may be the best Italian SAAs made. And like the Rugers and Freedom Arms, there's a transfer bar safety for true six-up carry. Uberti is apparantly still selling the non-safety SAA clone series under their own name plus selling to Cimmarron, etc.

Finally, there's the Rugers. The Vaquero is mechanically identical inside to the Blackhawks, varying only in finish and sights. Since the New Model Blackhawk/SuperBlackHawk design is basically unchanged going back to 1973, the aftermarket support is simply enormous. These guns are a bit oversize from SAA spec; handling is charitably described as "different" and for some, closer to "clunky". But their strength is just legendary...in 45LC, they can handle double or more the horsepower of 45LC in any of the above guns (Freedom Arms being a possible exception) and hence you find "45LC+P" fodder from Cor-Bon, Bufallo Bore and others marked "Ruger ONLY!!!" that will scatter an Italian SAA clone across half a shooting range. And that's with an all-stock Ruger - several good gunsmiths re-chamber them as five-shots in wild calibers WAY up past the original specs and the frames can take that just fine.

The Ruger "Bisley variants" are notable as being able to handle the most recoil of any of the SA types. The gunsmiths rechambering them in 454Casull, 475Linebaugh and similar "supermagnums" often recommend the Bisley grip type.

There's a whole thread on the various upgrade bits available for Ruger SAs:

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=80872

Some of these can help tune out the "clunkiness" with grip and hammer changes.

(An interesting factory Ruger option is the "Hunter variant" SuperBlackhawks - these have a very heavy barrel and factory scope rings and mounts. Basically a specialized hunting tool...the new Bisley-ized variant of these is the best of them in my opinion.)

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Upshot: I think the sexiest feel and best accuracy for the price is the FA 97, in five-shot 45LC or my choice would be the 357 sixgun variant. There's no other SA I'd prefer, genuine Colt SAA included.

Since I can't afford it, I'll do a Ruger soon and tune it myself to get the feel I want.

If the goal is ONE gun for multiple real-world roles like woods defense, personal defense and SA plinking/target fun, the Rugers are better than any of the SAA pattern guns simply for raw power and toughness.

BUT the handling and feel on the SAA patterns is still nicer, esp. when comparing stock guns. Of the SAAs, the USFA and Stampede stand out as values...go peruse the comments and reviews on both over at www.sassnet.com as the "Cowboys" there report their experiences.

Hope this helps.
 
Bang for the buck shooter? Ruger Blackhawk or Super Blackhawk.

Haven't had the luxury of shooting a Freedom Arms. Would like one in .500 S&W though :)
 
I also cast my vote for a Ruger Super Blackhawk - strong, accurate & easy to find used in like new condition.
 
Thanks to everyone who responded. At the risk of asking a stupid question that can easily be searched elsewhere, what's the major differences in look/feel/strength/purpose of the Ruger Bisley Vaquero, Blackhawk and Super Blackhawk?


My desire is more of wanting to own one of everything. So plinking would be my "shooting" goal. I like my SIG semis and my S&W revolvers, but this would be more of a toy.

Since I don't own any .45LC guns now, I probably will forgoe the traditional caliber and get .357 so I can share ammo easier.

-Robert
 
Nicest thing around, they are just down right purty. USFA
http://www.usfirearms.com/ I wish these were mine.




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Ruger Bisley Vaquero in .45 Colt and 5.5" barrel. NOTE the Bisley. Don't get the plain Vaquero - IMHO the Bisley grip is vastly superior to the non bisley grip.

The Ruger action is about 2 to 3 times stronger than the Colt action and you can fire very hot loads out of it for hunting that you couldn't fire out of a Colt without - exageration follows - blowing yourself and your neighborhood to hell and back.

In addition the Ruger costs about a third of what you'll pay for a Colt SAA so for the same money you'd spend on one Colt SAA you could also buy 2 more Ruger SAA's or maybe a good lever gun in addition to the single Ruger.

Go for the Ruger. Good quality, good price, good gun!
 
Very nice perfessr. Gorgeous.

"major differences in look/feel/strength/purpose of the Ruger Bisley Vaquero, Blackhawk and Super Blackhawk?"

I will give you the Readers Digest version as I see it. It may not be completely right: Bisley Vaquero has a different style grip frame. Look at a picture on maybe the Ruger website and you can see the difference in the Bisley grip frame. I think the Vaqueros are the fixed sight versions. The rest of the gun would be the same as a Blackhawk.
The Super Blackhawk is the .44 Mag. It is slightly bigger and more robust and usually (but not always) has a squared off in the back trigger guard. I always considered the 7 1/2" SBH to be one of the must haves in any real gun collection. I have had a stainless one for about 10 years and it is a fantastic handgun.
The Bisley grip frame is extremly comfortable. When I bought my Blackhawks, the Bisley grip frame was not yet offered. The only one I own is a Single Six Bisley in .22LR. This is a personal choice, but if I had it to do over again, I would get them all in the Bisley configuration.
In a gun I intend to shoot and shoot seriously, I usually want adjustable sights. These Rugers can take anything you care to dish out. If you are a handloader you see loads on-line or in a magazine and you can feel free to try them all in the Rugers. Hot, mild, heavy, light, fast, slow, whatever. If you play around like this, you need adjustable sights.
You can get a few of the Rugers in a convertible model. In other words they come with more than one cylinder, allowing you to shoot more than one caliber out of the same gun. I own a .357/9mm, and a .45 Colt/.45 ACP Blackhawk.
 
On the Rugers:

Since 1973, all the Ruger SAs use the same basic frame "primary frame" - what the cylinder goes in. ('Cept the cap'n'ball "Old Army", but we'll ignore that for now).

SuperBlackhawks all have steel grip frames versus aluminum on the blued Blackhawks. The vast majority of the Supers are in 44Magnum - a very few have recently shipped in 41Mag (Hunter) and there were 5,000 "357 Maximums" made on a super-stretch frame.

Superblackhawks with 4.68" and 5.5" barrels have a grip the SAME size and shape as the Blackhawk and basic model Vaqueros, also known as the "XR3-RED" grip frame. Vaqueros have this grip frame in steel (blue and stainless), stainless Blackhawks have it in stainless steel, blue Blackhawks in the aforementioned aluminum.

So, a shorter-barreled Super will feel a lot like a basic Vaquero or Blackhawk, except for the slightly different hammer. The SBH hammer can be swapped onto the others, and is a popular mod.

Longer-barrel SBHs have a larger grip frame, which is USUALLY the "squareback" trigger guard type ("Dragoon"). In some people's hands, that triggerguard is an annoyance (knuckle-wack syndrome). A popular cure on these is a wood or rubber grip that fills in the area behind the triggerguard. Recently, the "Hunter variants" have shipped with that same bigger grip, but with a round triggerguard. People who pull that grip frame to swap out for Bisley find that the Hunter grip frame/grip setup is highly prized on the used parts market as Brownell's or similar doesn't have 'em yet.

Then there's the Bisley grip type. It does feel weird to some folks, you'll have to actually handle these to see the difference. But it does have a hell of a rep for recoil control!

Finally, Ruger is now shipping a 357 with the Bird's-Head grip. This is really neat and surprisingly good at recoil handling, through not in the Bisley's class. Still, some reports put it better than the XR3-RED and certainly more compact.

That said: realistically, for 357Magnum in this size gun, recoil control isn't a huge problem and you may prefer the feel of the XR3-RED type grip. It certainly looks more "classic" as it's derived from the SAA grip.

One more really sick thing you can do with a 357 Ruger SA if you're a reloader: go find an extra 357 cylinder, see if it fits your gun (50/50 chance it'll drop in), get it altered by a local gunsmith to fit if not, and then send that cylinder to Gary Reeder along with $200.

He'll ream it out to a wildcat caliber called "356GNR".

It's a 41Mag necked down to 357 :D.

How does a 125grain JHP at 2,000fps sound?

:evil:

Oh ya BABY!

This is the kind of psycho stuff the Rugers are strong enough for, and nothing else on the planet is.
 
At the risk of sounding uneducated, I will answer.
Duh.
Are there other revolvers than Rugers? :p
If you get a ruger, (Several hundred less than some alternatives.) and you don't like it, you can send it to Gary Reeder (while waiting for it to get re-chambered.) for an action job, free spin, etc, and it will still prolly be less money than you expected, and it will be stronger than almost anything out there.
I LOVE the action job he does on them.
Smoooooth!
 
Uhhhhh......BTW - did I tell you I HATE you guys????

ESPECIALLY your photos, PERFESSOR??????:banghead: ;)
 
I just picked up a Rugar Vaquero about 2 weeks ago. Really more for the collection than anything else. I wanted a .45 colt for awhile now. I havn't even shot it yet so I'll leave the opinion out of this till I get some time with it. That probably won't be till after archery season though:evil:
 
What Jim March said -
Ruger for long trouble free service life
USFA for the best of all possible traditional SAA
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Guess which SA revolver I'd buy, based on my username.

That's right!
North American Arms mini-revolver. Great gun, the right price, and the ammo fits my budget.
 
My favorite single-action, and the one I use as a "woods/kit gun" is a Birdshead Vaquero in .45 Colt. I've found that the Birdshead grip is better for taming the recoil of stiff loads than the standard Vaquero grip (I've never shot a Bisley, so it could be even better still), and it's shorter barrel and more compact construction make it much easier to pack.

It's also the only SA revolver I have at this point, I sold the others as I simply never shot them anymore (I don't do CAS).
 
I have to agree with Oracle, the Ruger Birdshead Vaquero is one sweet little packing gun. I have shot some heavy loads out of mine just to see how it handles them, and I was amazed how nice it was to shoot. With a 3-3/4 inch barrel it has become my primary carry gun. I just like the way it handles and shoots for me.
 
The Bird's-heads ARE nice.

And if you handle one and the hammer reach seems to be too much, don't forget that you can swap hammers to the SuperBlackhawk or Bisley type to lower the hammer-reach in either of two stages.

The SBH hammer swap is easy. On a Bisley hammer, the hammer needs to be modified slightly (dremel and file time).

A *lot* of folks are very happy after dropping in the SBH hammer on a bird's head.
 
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