If someone threatened you and you feared they would act on it...

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

The person you were threatened by is part of a gang and its highly possible that a gang would be carrying out the "deed" instead of one individual. Calling the Police to stop this would not be possible due to other unknown gang members that will not be involved till the attack is carried out.

How would you take go about your daily business if you HAD to go out? Would you carry an extra mag? Carry a bigger gun? What?

 

[grubbylabs]

I would inform the local law enforcement and still carry my 45. I keep an extra mag in my house and one in my truck, that is about 23 rounds, if things really got interesting I would put one of the extra mags in my rear pocket.

And they better pray they don't come when my kids are near, when it comes to my kids, I show no mercy and don't care about any thing other than their safety.

 

[hacksaw]

Also consider keeping something with some more "oomph" in the car or truck, maybe one of those neato saiga 12 gauge shotty's

 

[Bubba613]

In real life i'd consider a long vacation elsewhere.
On the internet I'd carry a Serba super shorty.

 

[hso]

Not calling the police isn't reasonable nor productive. Involve the local organized crime/gang unit of the police and try to get the FBI involved so you could at least be sure you were dealing with a real gang member instead of some wannabe or poseur.

Leave temporarily or permanently if possible. Barring that -

The requirements are the same as living in a high risk of kidnapping/assassination country. Have no routine and no fixed place you visit for more than a few hours at a time. Body armor. Vary vehicles, but keep to performance vehicles and maintain at least a half tank of fuel. Don't approach the same place the same way at the same time any more often than possible. If you have a family, get them out of the area.

If you're limited to going to the same place of business and same place to sleep day after day, harden those locations. Make sure you park your vehicle where you can keep an eye on it or secured against access and tampering.

Heavy pistol rated vest and a handgun at all times in public. Shotgun at place of business/vehicle/home.

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

Now that I think of it, would getting a good bullet resistant vest as a JIC be a good idea or too farfetches/mall ninja?

 

[zxcvbob]

We probably can't even think about any preemptive measures, can we?

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

Well the situation is already where you have a threat against you for some reason like maybe you got one of their homies arrested for attempted robbery. Me personally would just skip town but I'm interested in what people would do if for some reason They HAD to say.

 

[J.Boyette]

You know what I would do?

I would tell the police and have a police report done up.

I would seek a defense lawyer and sign him up.

I would go to the range and practice my 2x2x2 drills and muti-target engagement. If I felt lax in my ability to drop targets out to 25yds I would go and find a qualified instructor and get training ASAP!!!

I would be dedicated in my right to self defense with in my rights.

I would also learn how to keep my trap shut, and find better friends so I do not find myself in the same situation later on down the road.

 

[Shadow 7D]

No, preemptive measures is working with the police to get the scum bags off the street, other than that, you are stuck with defensive, and really there is nothing a single person can do that will stop 100% an attack from a determined group.

Search SM, and start learning the art of Paranoid living and invisibility.

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

No, preemptive measures is working with the police to get the scum bags off the street, other than that, you are stuck with defensive, and really there is nothing a single person can do that will stop 100% an attack from a determined group.

My original thought in the first place

I would also learn how to keep my trap shut, and find better friends so I do not find myself in the same situation later on down the road.

Got someone's homie arrested and your name was in the paper.

 

[J.Boyette]

DUDE,

that sucks

I try to say out of situations as much as I can. But you got to do what you do, and make it right like you did.

Just keep working on the draw, keep the cops in the loop, and you will be fine. These kinds of people are punks of the first order.

John

 

[uspJ]

As HSO and Shadow7D said vary your routine and be on high alert. I would be on the highest possible level when going to and leaving work and home. Most likely the threat is doing exactly what it was intended to do, make you live in fear with little cause for real concern. Not saying you shouldn't be concerned for your safety, just that most of the time threats like these are idle. If they wanted you that badly they would make and attempt quickly and you most likely would not have heard about it untill it was too late. You most likely don't mingle in the same circles as the bangers so you would have little clue of an actual plot against you. Just be as prepared as possible and live your life the best you can.

 

[hso]

other unknown gang members that will not be involved till the attack is carried out

We probably can't even think about any preemptive measures, can we?

Without knowing what individuals are targeting you there's no practical "preemptive measures" possible. Legal is an entirely different problem.

working with the police to get the scum bags off the street, other than that, you are stuck with defensive

That's about it. If the gang is not large you may try to connect with someone that has influence (community leader) with them to get them called off or work with law enforcement to get them arrested. That's about as preemptive as you can get without crossing a line into deep legal trouble that will probably put you behind bars with more of their kind.

If they're too large to influence locally (or too crazy) you may have to disappear.

 

[J.Boyette]

WOW!!!!

Guys,

I can not believe that I am reading some of these posts about running from these people or hiding out.

I would not run, be scared of them in any way. If I die in a gun fight with these people I would take many of them with me.

But I would not run.

I might think about moving my family away for a time, due to not being able to protect them 100% of the time. But for me, to run from them?

not going to happen.

but do as you think is best.

 

[trickyasafox]

Police involvement from the beginning. I'd also consider relocating if I feared for my life. I'm not proud. I want to live and will defend my life to the best of my ability- but I also think that the cost of relocating at my current point in my life is lower than risking a lethal incident. I learned when I was young to never fight someone who has less to lose than you do- cause really, you can't beat them.

If I had a family of my own- my response would change. But I'm a 20 something bachelor with family in a different city. Moving to me means finding someone to help with the couch. A small price to pay when the alternative might be throwing lead

 

[Shadow 7D]

Better to walk away and live another day...
just make sure trouble doesn't follow you

 

[cleardiddion]

Well, I wouldn't run if I could help it that's for sure.
No one's ever run me off from anything and I certainly haven't made a habit of it myself.

However, if I was in the said situation I would take a few precautions:
Get extra training if possible
Have a long gun in whatever vehicle I drive whenever I can (I already do but mostly it's a personal choice)
Body armor might be a bit much but I would consider it
Harden what locations I visit if I can
Involve the authorities as soon as possible
And make darned sure that whatever gun I have on me is reliable come hell or high water. It doesn't do you squat if you buy the latest doodad and it doesn't run as it's supposed to.

Above all:
Keep a cool clear head on my shoulders. No use if I'm all panicked and not thinking straight.

 

[Frozen North]

I have been there and done that.

Long story short.... Drug dealers and my ex wife had an axe to grind.

You sleep very little. You keep your kids close. You watch everything and everyone around you. you buy your groceries and gas in the next town over. You install lots of exterior lights on your home but keep the interior very dark. When you do sleep, it is with a holstered pistol on your hip. You do drills with your kids so they know what to do when the SHTF.

You accept the fact that it may take a deputy a LONG time to rescue you.

In short, you live like there is a pack of wild dogs hiding behind every car and in every shadow. Yes, it was really that bad for about four months.

 

[uspJ]

To those who say that they wouldn't leave if the option was available I ask why not? What are you losing? I wouldn't want to have to sell my home and move elsewhere, but if it meant that me and mine are better protected and harder for those who mean us harm to find then where is the real downside? I would rather have the peace of mind knowing that they as well as myself are less likely to be attacked then to stress over where and how your family are while your at work or when you call and don't get an answer. As Frozen North described above that is a high stress situation that can ruin what your trying to protect. My uncle was a police officer years ago and got some threats from some people who didn't want his testimony, he refused to leave and by the time the trial was over with about a year later he had lost his wife and kids in a divorce and was on the verge of a mental breakdown from dealing with the stress. The department he worked for did very little to ease his mind, other than send a patrol by his house once or twice a day.

 

[Shadow 7D]

It also depends, if you are connected with a people who will watch your back, good legal advice (by say the local DA) and cops who will back you, you can go on a social offensive, mainly You don't want to have a problem with me, and you hit where they live, talk to their friends, neighbors, mothers, bar, hangouts, if you watch Dog the bounty hunter, kinda like that....

BUT
the down size is, if they might have been out to get you, either this works, or they will try harder. And you have to know what you are doing, or you end up the one in trouble with the law.


That said, if you are dealing with an organization, you go the guy above the guy who is having issues, and basically make a peace offering and tell him that you are going away and want to trouble. But part of the issue with this is that it requires walking into the lions den and if they want you.....

which leaves moving you stuff a bit at a time, and one day just not coming back.
Or doing you best not to die.

 

[heeler]

Well in this economy good luck selling that house today.
And even if you did you would probably lose an awful lot on it.
Gangs can be pretty intimidating because for the most part they deal outside the law and know full well you dont because your an average citizen.
Tough call.

 

[William Lee]

Frozen North, sorry to hear about your past situation. Did anything actually materialize or was it just "idle threats" someone else had mentioned? I had to deal with a pack of meat heads in college that lived across the hall and got into it with us over their late-night techno dance parties. They weren't armed, but they did jump us once or twice as a group out of the bushes and would try to intimidate my friend by standing outside his door whenever he'd come back from the shower or bathroom. Lasted about five to six months, before the one with the room failed out of classes. Again, we didn't have a legitimate fear for our lives per se, but the act of constantly being on the lookout for a random fist fight and dealing with their posturing was tiresome, and amounted to stress I certainly didn't need at the time. It is unfortunate that there is really no better recourse with people like this to either play their game and wait them out, or run away, which involves the personal inconvenience of moving your home. They begin to feed off of your life's energies like a parasite, as more of your time is occupied thinking about them, when in the perfect world, you would never think about them at all.

 

[Corporal K]

If you're dealing with a "gang" of knuckleheads that's one thing, though they can be dangerous. But if you are dealing with a real gang, say MS-13, perhaps b/c you got the better of one of them in a particular situation, temporary or permanent relocation is a good idea. A lot of tough guys have gone into witness protection.

It's not about running. It's about being smart. Do you want your kids to grow up w/o a father or have your wife lose her husband? You can be former Delta Force, but it's hard to defend against 4 scumbags firing AK clones and Tec-9s out of their low-rider through your windows at 3:00am.

This is where financial planning becomes as important as defensive planning. It's a lot easier to rent an apartment a few towns over if you have 6 months of cash saved up and you're still paying a mortgage.

Aside from that, I would get as many close friends involved as possible. Preferable friends with concealed permits. I'd advise neighbors of the situation, etc. Form a pack of sheepdogs to stand against the wolves.

Other than that, body armor for all. Hi-cap pistols for all adults. 5.56 rifle in home and vehicle.

 

[Panzercat]

I can not believe that I am reading some of these posts about running from these people or hiding out.

Your aggressor- multiple aggressors -have the advantage of choosing the time, place and intensity of the encounter. You, on the other hand, are contstrained by the law in the scope of your offensive activities. Likewise, you still have a life to lead, and potentially family to protect. Your kids going to school cannot carry and you can't watch over them or your wife the entire time.

You are not in a favorable tactical position.

You have too much to protect and limited time and resources to do it. Your opponent more than likely has these in excess and far less too lose. the only way you can maintain any sort of parity is by involving law enforcement and even then, they can only limit the aggressor's advantage, not eliminate it entirely short of disassembling that branch.

In light of this, a tactical withdraw is not out of the question. It will give your equalizing force a chance to work and there's a chance you may be forgotton entirely if this gang has the attention span of a fly.

Oh, everything said here and get cameras. EVERYWHERE. the more you can document their activities against you- including initial probes -the faster police can react to clear threats, as opposed to heresay. LEOs can only do so much with "But officer, he was on my lawn near my car!"