Interview with Zapruder...

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Saw something VERY interesting on PBS this evening...

It was a show on how the TV coverage of the Kennedy assassination changed the public perception of television news.

What was REALLY interesting, though, was a bit of an interview with Abraham Zapruder on I believe WFFA in Dallas the day after the assassination.

They talk about the Zapruder film, which was apparently being held by the television station for developing.

What is even MORE interesting, however, is Zapruder's account of the shot that hit Kennedy in the head.

Zapruder very distinctly described, and also used hand motions, to show exactly WHERE he saw Kennedy's head wound...

The right front side...

And as he was describing what he saw, he moved his hand, representing the spray of blood and tissue, forward...
 
Saw that show also. I viewed that (Zapruder) film quite extensively on an old CD-ROM and it was pretty clear he was hit from the front on the one that took the top of his head off. Also, it looked like Jackie crawled back on the trunk to retrieve his skull.

Host Peter Jennings & Co did their best to structure the broadcast so that those frames were never really shown. So they basically shored up the lying Warren Report that said Oswald acted alone. He may have, but I don't believe it myself.
 
The bullet hit the upper right back of JFK's head. JFK was slumped over as if looking down into the car and also leaning to the left. His position can be clearly seen on the film

The bullet made a neat entry hole (caliber sized) but exited out the right side toward the front of the skull due to JFK's position. As often happens, instead of making an exit hole, it blew out the skull on that side.

p 587 in David Lifton's book "Best Evidence" shows a picture of the entrance wound. It's on the back of the skull, clearly above the top of a line drawn between the tops of his ears and to the right of center. Given JFK's head down position, it would be very difficult to hit that spot from anywhere but behind and above him.
 
A frame-by-frame look at the Zapruder film, specifically frame 313, gives pretty clear indication that Kennedy was hit from the rear and that the exit wound is in the front right side of the skull, not the back as has been so often claimed.
 
As for the skull fragment, you can see it (small white object) coming off the front of his head, it just clears the top of the front windshield of the car. As the car accelerates the skull frag slows and drops on the trunk as the car drives under it.
 
Wouldn't blood and brain matter coming out of the front suggest that the bullet would be traveling in the same direction, towards the front?
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In the case of President Kennedy's head wound and the reaction on the Zapruder film, the Itek Optical Systems did a computer enhancement for a CBS documentary. Itek discovered that when the bullet hit JFK, he first jerked forward 2.3 inches before starting his rapid movement backward. Unless the film is slowed considerably and enhanced, the forward motion is not detectable.

The backward movement is the result of two factors. First, when the bullet destroyed the President's cortex, it caused a neuromuscular spasm, which sent a massive discharge of neurologic impulses from the injured brain shooting down the spine to every muscle in the body. "The body then stiffens," said Dr. John Latimer, "with the strongest muscles predominating. These are the muscles in the back and neck..." They contract, lurching the body upward and to the rear. The President's back brace likely accentuated the movement, preventing him from falling forward.

At the same instant the President's body was in a neuromuscular seizure, the bullet exploded out the right side of his head. Dr. Luis Alvarez, a Nobel Prize-winning physicist, focused on that to discover the second factor that drove the President's head back with such force. Dubbed "jet effect," Dr. Alvarez established it both through physical experiments that re-created the head shot and extensive laboratory calculations. He found that when the brain and blood tissue exploded out of JFK's head, they carried forward more momentum that was brought in by the bullet. That caused the head to thrust backward - in an opposite direction - as a rocket does then its fuel is ejected. Because the bullet exited on the right side of JFK's head, it forced him to be propelled back and to the left, exactly what is visible on the Zapruder film.*

*Dr. Lattimer also conducted twelve physical experiments that confirmed Alvarez's work. In each instance, the jet effect, on mock-ups of human heads, struck from the rear by a 6.5mm bullet, caused the specimens to rocket back toward the shooter.
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Case Closed by Gerald Posner
 
You may be right. I looked into this ten or a dozen years ago and they may have better stuff now. I will say this: Nobody can prove squat. A recreation is not the event. A couple decades or a century from now the computer recreation will be taken as gospel. I still am not convinced that there wasn't some other shooters.
 
I just want to know WHY the Warren Commission decided to keep the files closed to public access till 2039 (75 years after the fact)?

That alone makes me wonder what in the world was in there that was worth hiding for two generations?

I asked my Dad about that when I was in the 5th grade (1965) and his answer was classic... "either they screwed up badly and don't know squat or they screwed up badly and know squat and don't want us to know squat". Then I asked him what "squat" meant (in this case) and he replied, "the position you assume when taking a ...."

Oh.

Gosh Mike, why try to ruin a good (if not the greatest) conspiricy theory with mere facts?;)

Adios
 
I think branding this a "conspiracy theory" type thing is a way of putting it out of reach of the mainstream person who believes everything the news feeds him. I would submit that organized crime had a good reason to want Kennedy dead and there would be no CONSPIRACY in the sense that people commonly use it to discuss this matter if they quietly did it or contracted to have it done and just kept their mouths shut like they usually do.

You have to remember the historical context; the Fed.gov did not even ACKNOWLEDGE THE EXISTENCE of organized crime or use the words "mafia" or "cosa nostra" at that time. J. Edgar Hoover, if he knew anything, had good reason to cover for his underworld buddies who helped keep him in power. He also didn't have much use for the Kennedys. Not saying that JEH was in on it but O/C most definitely. Just color me skeptical.
 
The question is, if it was a conspiracy, why do the Oswald thing? Regardless of who is ultimately responsible, every member of the conspiracy managed to vanish without a trace. The thing that gets most criminals caught in many crimes is tampering with the evidence trying to cover it up or point the blame at someone else.

There was no reason for Oswald. And as for using a patsy, if they decided they had to leave a patsy, the conspirators couldn't find one single person to set up other than a 24 yr old ex-marine that renounced his citizenship, lived in the USSR for two years, married a Russian, had real or imagined ties with Cuba, the CIA and the Mafia? And then the conspirators spend the next 40 years trying to downplay those connections?

If your goal is to set up a "lone gunman" scenario, use someone like Hinckley to place the blame on. If you decide to blame a single shooter from the rear, make sure your real assassins are shooting from the rear to avoid any "grassy knoll" claims. Use suppressors to mask the location of the shooters. Place "witnesses" in the crowd to make sure everyone goes for the patsy.
 
More to the point, if you do use a guy like Oswald and consider him such a threat that he needs to be silenced, why not take care of it at the scene?

Surely someone with the juice to pull off a major conspiracy could have a police officer or SS Agent on the payroll.

He runs into the building because that's where he heard the shots and kills Oswald when he tries to resist/escape.

Letting him wander around and then eventually be caught by the police and interviewed for several hours seems pretty stupid considering that these people were strong enough/smart enough to keep from getting caught for killing a president...

My belief in conspiracies began to degrade when I realized that for there to be a conspiracy, the conspiracy members had to be at the same time:

Very powerful and yet virtually impotent.
Very smart and yet incredibly stupid.
Very capable but at the same time fumbling fools.
 
You guys may be right. All I'm saying is Mr. Joseph P. Kennedy owed the underworld a lot. He protected his kids from knowledge of the shady dealings that made him and they began to vigorously and publicly attack dad's old buds once old dad got John and Bobby into the White House. If the old man could talk he might agree with this point. Remember, he lived to see both of them get killed and Ted get disgraced although he was bedridden and unable to talk.
 
IF there was a conspiracy I'm convinced it was related to the Kennedy family's relationship with the mob.

Moonie Giancanna (?sp) IIRC was the nephew of Sam Giancanna (?sp), head of the Chicago mob. After Sam's death, Moonie wrote a book Double Cross in which he details some of the historic events of the last half century. He details in some depth the relationship between selected crime families and the Kennedy family. According to the book, Kennedy was killed because of a double cross the Kennedy's pulled on the mob. Again, according to the book Oswald was the fall guy. Ruby was not some baffoon strip club owner as portrayed by the press. He was a wet operator for the mob.

Regardless of what you think of the Kennedy information, the book is well worth the read simply because of the unique view of 20th century through the eyes of the mob.
 
Bingo, John.

Once Oswald gets napped by police, he's a loose cannon at that point. One wrong word from him under questioning can make everything explode.

Given what security measures were in the 1960s (not very strict) and with everyone's attention focused on the President, it would have been easy for anyone to get into the school book depository to "clean" Oswald.
 
He got front from the front, and then got shot from the back. Lee Harvey Oswald shot him, then he didn't. The real gun shot came from the grassy knoll, or the Hoooter's parking lot, the bullet was made of ice, mercury, was a silenced weapon or possibly an 88 round mortar. LBJ did it, the Cubans did it, the mob did it, and the Russians paid for it.

We'll never know, we'll never agree if we do know, and we'll never stop making money selling books about it.

Ugh.
 
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