Is RIA the default for bang for the buck 1911s?

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I am toying with the idea of picking up a 1911, but it is the sort of gun that would get carried and shot a lot, bang around in a holster while I am rambling the woods, etc. In other words, I don't want to spend a ton of money for a gun that will get ample use and possibly abuse (or at least holster wear). In reading reviews, it seems like Rock Island is commonly recommended as a good choice for a bang for the buck 1911. Anything else I should be considering? Looks like Bud's offers the basic full sized 1911 from RIA for $420 shipped.

I already cast and reload for 38 special, so I figure adding another low pressure cartridge to the stable should be easy.
 
No experience with RIA except to say I have not heard any bad reviews of their 1911's. Only posted because I could not remember anyone with anything bad, just an occaisional snobby comment. Make sure you have good eyes as GI sights are small. I did hear that.....
 
I currently have three, a 9mm officer sized, a full sized .45 GI, and a full sized 9mm Target. The 9mm officer and GI .45 were purchased used and other then replacement sights and grips, are stock. The 9 has 1800 rds thru it and the 45 is at 1200 rds, both with nary a bobble. The 9mm Target only has 500 rds thru it, but again with no malfunctions.

I think they are great values, but as always,YMMV.
 
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If you are worried about holster wear get a stainless 1911. The Rugers are reasonable with a very good warranty.
The basic RIA guns don't have very god sights grips from what I have seen
 
I have been set on a Witness Limited 10mm for a while, but I keep coming back to a Rock Ultra 10mm fshc which seems to be similar quality for half the price. I know it’s CZ vs 1911 but that’s still saying a lot. I might be a DS1911 owner soon.
 
I think the answer to your question is yes-most people now recognize it as a good quality firearm that doesnt cost an arm and a leg.

And I think they make great first 1911’s, if that’s what the mission is.
 
I've only owned one, a full size "tactical II" model in 9mm that I bought used. I'm am admittedly a bit of a 1911 snob, and while I thought the finish on this gun wasn't all that great, I did not experience a single malfunction with it. I put about 2k rounds through it in a year, traded it towards something else, but if you're asking if I'd buy one again it'd be an easy "yes."
 
I have one RIA the GI model. Has functioned flawless so far,(only 200 rounds) bought very lightly used. I will say, the standard grip safety on GI models regardless of manufacturer eats the web of my hand. So I have ordered a S&A beavertail and jig and a commander style hammer. Having said this, you will be money ahead choosing a model with a beavertail grip safety if you have the same issues as I have.

The 45acp round is an easy round to load for and load data is plentiful.

Good luck!!
 
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I don't want to spend a ton of money for a gun that will get ample use and possibly abuse (or at least holster wear). In reading reviews, it seems like Rock Island is commonly recommended as a good choice for a bang for the buck 1911
I think the RIA 1911s are excellent values. I'm not thrilled with their grips, but nothing that couldn't be easily changed.

I will add that my default "bang for the buck" 1911 is the Dan Wesson line. At a price point of about $1500, you're getting a gun that is comparable to 1911s costing twice as much
 
Several years ago, I got to shoot couple of RIA Tactical right out of the box. Never shot a RIA 1911 before and wasn't expecting much for these low priced pistols but I was impressed how they performed out of the box and with their accuracy. I was not impressed by factory magazines though.

So when a friend wanted an entry level 1911, I suggested RIA Tactical for around $430 but suggested Chip McCormick 8 round Power Mags. I missed out on buying one of 250 Dan Wesson PM7s made each year for CA so after looking at different 1911s, I "settled" on a railed Sig 1911 XO Nitron as a consolation prize for $850.

My friend asked me to replace the front sight with fiber optic sight so I got to spend some time with the RIA Tactical in comparison to Sig 1911. Internally, RIA lacked the refined fit and finish of Sig 1911 but frame to slide fit was good and cycled smoothly. Of course Sig 1911 cycled like butter on hot non-stick pan.

While Sig 1911 had the tightest chamber I have seen on a 1911 with essentially no leade, RIA 1911 chamber mouth was flared generously and had longer leade. This flared chamber mouth with longer leade allowed RIA 1911 to feed even sloppy SWC reloads and reliably fed/chambered even when dirty from shooting several hundred rounds of lead reloads. While Sig 1911 reliably fed SWC reloads (that were within specs), after several hundred rounds, Sig 1911 slowed down from fouling build up. Due to this, I now call RIA "Glock" of 1911s.

As to accuracy, RIA was comparable to Sig at 10 to 15 yards producing around 1" groups but while Sig produced around 2" shot groups at 25 yards, RIA groups opened up for me. Both RIA and Sig 1911s have over 10,000 rounds and they performed without any parts breakage. My friend replaced the factory magazines with Chip McCormick Power Mags and they have been trouble free. After several thousand rounds, recoil springs were replaced with 16 lb Wilson Combat and Wolff springs and muzzle flip and felt recoil was definitely noticably less, especially shooting lighter target load of 200 gr SWC with 4.0 gr Red Dot/Promo.
I'm not thrilled with their grips
Only other suggestion I made to my friend was to replace the factory grips with Magpul 1911 grips which allowed tighter grip with easier access to mag release due to cutout in the grip panel - https://www.amazon.com/Magpul-Industries-Government-Magazine-Release/dp/B00GWZ27N0

I also bought a Citadel 1911 (which is also made by Armscor) and it has tighter chamber with shorter leade (not as short as Sig 1911) and to my surprise, Citadel 1911 actually produced slightly smaller shot groups than Sig 1911 with certain bullets.
I think the RIA 1911s are excellent values.
+1. After 10,000+ rounds, I am quite happy with my railed Sig 1911 XO Nitron and no longer have the desire to buy a DW PM7. If someone is looking for a 1911 that must work with SWC reloads out of the box, I definitely recommend RIA Tactical.
 
I have a special double-stack model RIA that possibly wasn't made by them. It had to go back to them three times, but now it works okay.

I also have a ﹰGﹰI Model ﹰTisas (Turkish) from Bud's that has been perfect.

My FiL has a Metro Arms (another Filipino company) that has been perfect so far. The grips and sights are very nice.

The double-stack was part of a trade. The other two cost less than $400 apiece. I personally see no reason to pay more than that for a 1911 "beater". It's not a new design that needs to have the bugs worked out.
 
I heartily endorse the Chip McCormick mags and have good experiences with the Kimber tac mags.
Grips are personal and I have had no problem with the OEM GRIPS but I did put some double diamonds on the full size
 
I don't know. You have to handle a pistol and determine if the fit, finish and mechanical tightness meets your needs. I went to the local Cabelas in Dec and saw these RIA GI pistols on sale for $399 so I had to play with the display model. The thing was tight and the trigger was good. It took several more days to talk myself into buying it, plus I had a $100 gift card, but I did. Cabelas let me pick the best out of three, the one I picked was amazingly tight, no play between slide and frame, barrel hood tight, barrel bushing to barrel tight. I wish the barrel bushing was a tighter fit in the slide but, my Les Baer was $1000 more, so, I can't complain. The trigger is short, like the original, and that is what I want. I have short stubby fingers and I replaced most of the long triggers on the 1911's I own.

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I was looking for a thumb cocking M1911. I want to carry my M1911 with a round in the chamber and the hammer down. This was the way the pistol was designed, this was how it was carried, round in the chamber, hammer down, in the flap holster. I do not like that thumb safety. Too many times with extended safeties and ambidextrous safeties I have found the safety "off" when I thought it was on, and, worse of all, firing my Les Baer, the safety bumped to "On". I watched one of those Top Gun shows and that happened to a Delta Force/Cop/Competitor types. He accidentally bumped the safety on and it took time for him to puzzle out what was going on. A Bullseye bud of mine, has seen this a number of times at the indoor range he manages. Accidental discharges caused the Army to change the condition of carry from round in the chamber, hammer down, to round in the chamber, safety on, pistol in flap holster. There were still too many accidental discharges and you find that the SOP by the time you get to Vietnam was that you were not allowed to put a magazine in your M1911 until your boots were on the ground in the drop zone! I put my middle finger between the hammer and slide when lowering the hammer. I put my index finger on the hammer spur and my middle finger in front of the hammer. I jam the hammer with my middle finger and pull the trigger. I slide the middle finger out, like a wedge, lowering the hammer, at some point the middle finger is completely out and I use my index finger to lower the hammer all down. I do not use my thumb to lower the hammer because I have had the hammer slip off the thumb.

What I do is close to what this guy is doing, except I place the middle finger of the left hand between the hammer and frame.



Anyway, the early 1911 configuration, which was before this 1911A1 version, had wide hammer spurs and a virtually non existent grip safety tang. The pistol was designed to be thumb cocked and those features made it real easy, like Colt SAA easy, to thumb cock a first generation 1911. After WW1, the grip safety was elongated and the spurs disappeared, but still, the 1911A1 version is a lot easier to thumb cock than this, with its beavertail, and I don't cut my fingers on the Bomar style rear sight.


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When I first took my RIA to the range it would eject the magazines. The magazine release was too shallow, I called RIA, they sent me a replacement, it works fine. I have about 400 rounds of hardball and 200 LSWC through the thing and it feeds, goes bang, shoots to the point of aim.

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It is being carried in the holster, round in the chamber, hammer down, strap over the hammer. If I need it, I have to pull it out and thumb cock it before firing. That is not a problem for me. I practiced a lot of thumb cocking with my SAA, and I think I can remember to do it in a stress full situation. You know, if you could reload the SAA quickly, it would make a very compact, powerful, self defense pistol. I consider the 45 L Colt an even better round than the 45 ACP.

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The tiny original front sights don't bother me too much, I won't be target shooting with this thing. This is a point and shoot combat gun.
 
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I can still say that an RIA GI was the absolute worst firearm I have ever owned, and I have owned a Sundance. Lemons do ship, and I can tell you first hand RIA will not fix a lemon if it needs a new frame. I would look at ruger, or Remington during one of their yearly rebate programs. Metro arms seems to be decent, and Tisas seems promising. Not to be a downer, but when I got told to F off by RIA customer service kinda made a promise to talk anyone I can out of them. Not snobby, my go to is a beat hard Springfield basic GI that rattles like can of BB's, but shoots very well. While the RIA would not go 20 rounds without a malfunction, and the finish wore off after 5 passes in a holster, it absolutely was incredibly accurate, like 1' at 25 yards every time, barrel was not prone to fouling. It was like a laser. But the magwell was 3 degrees off, the feedramp was 4 degrees off, the extractor was broken, and the finish was some kind of cold blue. you could rub it off with you finger in about two minutes. Also, GI mags with control feed could absolutely not work, getting the round to jump the combined 7 degrees was impossible with the control feed profile. If you buy a new RIA this would almost certainly not be an issue for you, but when the first got big in the US a decade or so ago, there were a few reports of miscut frames.
 
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RIA GI ... it absolutely was incredibly accurate, like 1' at 25 yards every time
"incredibly accurate" ... One foot "Every time"? I thought you meant one inch.:rofl:

You just lost your credibility to me with that statement. :D
RIA ... when the first got big in the US a decade or so ago, there were a few reports of miscut frames.
So your experience was a decade ago? Armscor/RIA has been selling pistols for quite a few years ... and they have great customer service reports by THR members in recent years.

I don't think hardly anyone would consider purchase option or not based on Gen1 Glock comments for their Gen4/5 purchases.
If you buy a new RIA this would almost certainly not be an issue for you
Your words.
 
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My RIA tactical has been an excellent gun for years and was a bargain at the time (I think I paid a smidge under $600 for the non railed 10mm tac).

Right now you can find Remington R1s for RIA prices and the several I have owned and shot were all excellent tack drivers that ran everything.
 
I own several 1911's including an RIA 9mm Ultra FS - which has become one of my favorite range guns. Came with G10 grips & fiber optic front sight which is what I wanted. Other than cleaning/lube only maintenance was to replace the recoil, firing & mainspring springs @ 5,000 rounds as part of prevent maintenance. As of today I have a bit over 7,000 rounds and it has been pretty much flawless.

My plan is for my next 1911 to be another RIA in 9mm - just debating whether to go for the double stack version or not.
 
"incredibly accurate" ... One foot "Every time"? I thought you meant one inch.:rofl:

You just lost your credibility to me with that statement. :D

So your experience was a decade ago? Armscor/RIA has been selling pistols for quite a few years ... and they have great customer service reports by THR members in recent years.

I don't think hardly anyone would consider purchase option or not based on Gen1 Glock comments for their Gen4/5 purchases.
yup, one inch. Now, my Wasr10 on the other hand.... Yes, a decade old, which is exactly why I said its unlikely to be a problem. I have not heard that lately, and the OP deserves that truth -it was not an accident I included that. My problem of course was not the poorly made product, but the warranty response i received from the company.
 
yup, one inch
Wow, one inch groups "every time" at 25 yards?

Respect.

I struggle to get 2 inch groups at 25 yards - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...ts-and-discussions.778197/page-6#post-9924922

Sig 1911 with 200 gr LSWC and 4.0 gr Promo
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If they would chamber their GI model in .380 ACP, and still price them around $330.00 - they'd sell a million of them. I was so excited when I heard Browning was coming out with a 1911 chambered in .380, but it turned out to be very finicky with ammo and pretty expensive.
 
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