Is this true? (about Glocks)

[gvnwst]

Hi there, i had a question for the Glock people here. Talking with a friend the other day, he told me that a few people he knows (conservation officer, a few policed officers, ect) had glocks and think they are complete junk. They "jammed all the time", "were completly innaccurate", and so on. I have alwasy heard that while maybe a bit overrated, glocks are really good. Is he full of it?

Thanks for the help.

 

[Elbeeo]

It's quite possible they had Glocks that did that.

I've seen a number of Glocks that would jam somewhat frequently -- and when I say jam I mean it required tools or a lot of elbow grease to fix.

Is it the norm? Hell no. Is it even common? Only in the sense that everyone has probably seen a bad Glock, but, considering how many exist, that's to be expected.

 

[pbearperry]

This has been discussed before.All I can say is that when my old Dept. 200 strong went to 9mm Glocks,the only jams were by women cops of small stature limp wristing the guns while shooting.When we went to 115 gr +P+,that went away.Where all these jamming Glocks are I don't know?

 

[Taurus 617 CCW]

The only "jam" I have ever seen in a glock happened to a friend of mine's. It was due to a failure in ammunition where the primer was not seated completely and wedged itself up under then rear of the slide during feeding. Live cartridge with active primer resting on the bottom of the slide. Other than that, I have owned a Glock 27 and didn't even have so much as a hiccup the entire time I owned it. Great guns!

 

[GRIZ22]

I saw at least 500 different Glocks every quarter for qualification and feel they are about the most reliable semi auto made.

Chuck Taylor punished a Glock 17 over a period of years, cheap ammo, submersion in sea water for a year, and no cleaning and he did 170,000 rounds with no problems at all.

I think Glocks are not as accurate as some other 9mms but we're talking like 3" vs 2" groups at 25 yds so for combat shooting it doesn't make a difference.

Virtually all guns are more accurate than most shooters can hold them.

 

[Rossshady120]

jamming i dont think so with all the LEOS carrying them. look at the police aspect about 95% of your time your not going to be firing your weapon so it pays to have a plastic gun when your chaseing someone. i remember my first time shooting the glock it was a mini 9, i loved it. then i shot a sig and that love went rite out the window. then i found the meaning of money and thats when i got my baby bersa

 

[JT in VA]

I have carried a glock both on/off duty for 7 years. I qualify 2x per year w/ about 40 others. Shoot monthly with 10-15 - all w/ G22s and 23s. Only jams I see are when the mag is not fully inserted.

 

[Rossshady120]

i hear they have over-sized throats which allows you to dump ammo in them.

 

[LTB15J]

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[LTB15J]

just dont shoot reloads through it and you're fine. out of all the rumors ive heard on glocks, the only failures ive seen are because they couldnt handle a certain load of ammo. as you might be aware, the glock barrel has several inherent flaws within its design. the diameter of the chamber, surrounding the case itself is not quite what it should be. the area near the feed ramp does not fully support the casing of the bullet when fired either. this can often cause jams, ruptured or bulged brass, and sometimes even catastrophic failure. reloaded ammunition is not reccomended for use; if a round is overloaded or if using a weakened brass case, it could cause your gun to K-B.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vceh44UK-8I

 

[Lone_Gunman]

Most of what LTB15J said is either not true, or at least badly misconstrued.

If you properly reload your ammo, there is absolutely no reason why you can't shoot reloads through your Glock. If your reloads are crummy, they will not perform well in any gun, whether its a Glock or not. If you are using worn out or deformed brass, you will probably have a problem with any gun as well, not just Glock. Oh, you might say that using reloads will invalidate the Glock warranty, but most major gun makers have similar invalidations in their warranties as well.

There is not a fundamental problem with the Glock barrel. It is not fully supported, but neither are 1911's that have had chamber and feed ramp work done to them.

if a round is overloaded or if a brass case is inherently weakened, it could cause your gun to K-B.

This statement is true. It applies to any gun though, not just Glocks.

 

[threefeathers]

I just got back from LFI (class description posted under Tactics and Training) and all of the Glockophiles guns ran all the time. I used an HK which also did pefect, but with the Dems possibly wining both houses strongly I've decided to get a Glock and high caps while I can.
I chose a Glock 32C.

 

[LTB15J]

which part of "most of what i said" was wrong? the part where i said glock chambers are not supported? the part where glocks cause bulged brass? or the part where it can cause catatrophic failure as proven by the video? because all have been proven by thousands of glock owners, um, nationwide.


yes, i do not believe you should use reloads through a glock. perhaps using fresh brass and GOOD, reliable reloading equipment could yield successful. but even then, there is still the chance of a hot load and obviously glocks have a bad track record with handling them.

there is a reason there is a huge aftermarket barrel following with glocks and not so much with sig or HK.

 

[Lone_Gunman]

which part of "most of what i said" was wrong?

I don't mean to get into an argument with you. You were wrong because the statements you made apply to any gun, not just Glocks.

If you think Glock chambers are not supported, you are wrong. There is less support than some other barrels, but to say they are "not supported" is wrong. They have about the same amount of support as a throated 1911 barrel.

Your statement about needing multi million dollar equipment to ensure consistency of your reloads is also wrong as well.

So I apologize if you are offended, but will still contend your statements are wrong. Its fine to believe what you want to though. My perception of reality is not dependent upon yours.

 

[hankdatank1362]

As much as I dislike GLOCKS....


They are easilas reliable as any SIG, and almosyt as accurate. Either way, more accurate than I am.

If it weren't for the ergos...

 

[LTB15J]

i never made the statement "glocks are the only pistols that KB off reloads". i am simply staying on topic of the thread title, which pertains to glocks.

if you as a glock owner get offended, then i am sorry but im not going to trivialize the thread with facts and topics about OTHER guns. we all know that any gun is capable of KB.. yes we know also 1911 barrels are not as supported either. but glocks and 1911's are still different guns with different pressures and tolerances. what you are saying is like suggesting that just because your truck runs on piss, everyone elses truck should run on piss too but thats not the case. glocks have a higher track record of failures with reloaded ammo than any pistol in its class.


as far as reloading equipment is concerned. i doubt you have seen the inside of a major manufacturing facility, so for you to say that the same consistency is achievable with your 1500 bucks worth of dillon equipment compared to a warehouse with huge industrial machines is nothing short of inexperienced. it should be common sense that commercial ammo is, and will continue to always be more reliable. the problem is, its not always as accurate.

are you going to somehow argue to me that human hands can load out, weigh, or manufacture ammo more precisely than a digitally controlled machine?

 

[JaxNovice]

I have had 3 Glocks had put all kinds of garbage ammo through them. I literally have never had one FTF ot FTE in any of them.

 

[Crow1108]

Between the Glock 35 I used to own and the Glock 19 I own now, (sold the 35 to buy my Sig P226, then sold the 226 to buy the 19 ), the only FTF I saw was due to a weak magazine spring. The 35 was bought used, and came with some post-ban 10 rounders that had seen some better days.

This can happen to semi-auto.

 

[Onmilo]

Trollin', just ah trollin',,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

[jdc1244]

The only thing true about Glocks is they’re ugly.

They’re as good as any other handgun. For those in the ‘guns are only tools’ camp Glocks are popular; those of us who believe guns are more than just tools will own something else.

 

[mljdeckard]

It sounds like poor maintenence and an isolated incident or two blown out of proportion.

The only reason I don't carry a Glock anymore is that I like the trigger and feel of a 1911 better, I'll tell anyone, especially beginners, you can't go wrong with a Glock.

 

[glockman19]

A Glock that Jams? A fary tale. Like pixie dust, the tooth fairy and Santa.

It just doesn't happen.

 

[The Lone Haranguer]

Talking with a friend the other day, he told me that a few people he knows (conservation officer, a few policed officers, ect) had glocks and think they are complete junk. They "jammed all the time", "were completly innaccurate", and so on

With all due respect to your friend, IMO he has begun with pure hearsay, taken a few problems out of context and blown them out of proportion.

 

[Baneblade]

I maintain the Glocks for my agency, about 125 total, and have seen some problems. However, we tried to find something better than Glock but were unable to. No other mass produced handgun in the world is consistently more reliable.

I disagree that they are inaccurate, however, I do agree that there are more accurate guns available. I think Griz22 said it best. We are talking about the difference between 2" and 3" groups. Their accuracy is perfectly acceptable for a combat situation.

For someone with a Glock that jams or has any problems my 1st question is if they have any aftermarket parts on them. Removal of aftermarket parts usually fixes the majority of problems with Glocks. We had Lasermax guide rods in about 1/2 of our issued Glocks. We had failures in those guns, but not the others. Once we went back to factory guide rods the reliability went back to 100%.

As for the KB issues, those are typically with the 40 S&W and are still very rare. A few happen every year out of the millions of rounds fired through 40 S&W Glocks every year. And it is usually an ammunition problem, not the gun.

I trust my life to a Glock and so do 90% of the LEO's in my state, many of whom have the choice to carry something else.

 

[Lone_Gunman]

as you might be aware, the glock barrel has several inherent flaws within its design.

Could you be specific with these flaws?

if you as a glock owner get offended

I didnt get offended because I am a Glock owner, in fact I am not offended at all. You can believe what you want. The implication of your comments though was that lack of case head support in a Glock was somhow unique to Glock. At least thats how I interpretted your initial statement. You have now backtracked and clarified what you really meant. You also made it sound like Glock not recommending reloaded ammo was somehow unique to Glock, but most manufacturers will say the same thing.

I think you greatly overestimate the consistency of factory ammo, and greatly underestimate the consistency of properly made hand loads.