It happened to me, Carry stories

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...leaving a customer's house over a year ago, I turned right onto the through street which was two-lane...I had seen a truck about a block away as I was stopped...suddenly, there was a horn honking and I looked up to see the guy'd flown up on my back bumper...only way he coulda gotten there was to be doing 20 over the limit...he continued the honking and waving in a personal manner till the road widened at the light...pulled up to the right of my truck and continued yelling and gesturing till the light changed...then gunned it and got in front of me...great...over....NOT...he got about 4 carlengths in front of me and stomped on his brakes...I stopped about a carlength behind him, and he took off...did it again, and I was on the phone with 911...gave description and direction of travel...he did it 3 more times, and then pulled into a grocery store with a big parking lot...I pulled into a fronting store's lot...and waited for the officer...I told him the story and verified the tag #...he ran it and said that it was a good tag with a local address...and that if he didn't find the truck on the lot or the road...he'd drop by the idiot's house and have a talk about road rage...I told him to be sure to mention to the guy that he'd been trying to pick a fight with an ex-cop armed with a .45....he laughed and said he'd be sure to mention it...key to this story is do nothing to escalate a road rage situation...take the high road and use your time to identify and call it in...and, of course, be prepared...
 
This was told to me by my friend a long time ago, so I don't remember all the details, but I'll try to relate it as accurately as I can:

Growing up, my friend had a dog, and it was really a very nice dog. When my friend was about 14, some people claimed that his dog had been running loose, even though it wasn't (It had been inside all day). these folks came to my friends house and proceedded to tell his father that they had better keep the dog locked up, and they never wanted to see it on thier property again. My friends dad explained that he would make sure that the dog stayed off thier property, but that it wasn't him, and mabey thier time would be better spent looking for THAT dog (it may not come across that way becuase of my writing, but he was trying to be helpful, not confrontational.) THese guys became agravated, and my friends dad told them to get off his property. They refused. My friend was standing there, and his dad said "Go inside and get my shotgun." The guys said they knew he was bluffing, and that they thought he didn't have a gun. My friends family did not own a gun, but they were very musical... so my friend came out holding a violin case. Needless to say, the guys took one look at that, thier eyes got wide, and they were gone.

I sometimes play poker with my friends younger brother, and am very glad that he has not inherited the bluffing gene!
 
Great thread. Lots of good lessons here for everyone. For my own contribution:

A little back story first...Many years ago now, after being freed of certain obligations in a foreign country, I moved back to the United States. My wife and I found a nice little house to rent in a little town not too far from where I grew up, where I had some family. As fate would have it, the owner of the house was killed in a car accident literally within days of us signing the lease. Knowing how things like that go for people, and knowing that his elderly wife wasn't up to managing rentals, I offered to buy the place from the widow--something which would benefit both of us; we needed a house, and she didn't want one. She agreed before I could even finish the question and we made a handshake deal right there. They hadn't owed anything on the place, so she made a good chunk of change and we got a good deal on our first house.

The place was old and had been rented out for about ten years before we moved in, so it was a tad on the run down side. Several additions had been made to it over the years, so the floor plan was sorta funky. With all the work that needed to be done in my opinion, I decided to pretty much gut the place and start from scratch with a new floor plan and new everything. All that survived the renovation were the outside walls. I even re-roofed the place.

As I started to tear the place apart, my wife and I moved out and stayed with my relatives nearby. They knew what I was up to at our house and suggested that I ask a friend of theirs to help. We'll call this guy "Bob." Well, I knew Bob and knew that, among other things like being a heavy drinker and an occasional drug user, he was genuinely talented at construction. He was a serious perfectionist and had an almost savant-like ability to build and repair things. So, figuring that four hands are better than two, I got ahold of Bob and asked if he'd help. Having nothing to do between jobs, and wanting to catch up with me anyway since I'd been away for so long, he agreed and showed up the next day.

It was delivery day from the local mega-hardware store, which dropped off about $5,000 worth of stuff on the lawn, from lumber, to drywall, to new kitchen cabinets. As Bob and I started carrying drywall in, he asked where I wanted to lay it. I told him that where the new master bedroom was going to be would be good, because it'd be the last place I'd probably work on. He thought the dining room would be better, but I told him that the kitchen area and adjacent bathroom would be fixed up first, so the supplies would just be in the way there. For whatever reason, this irked him and he proceeded to debate with me about it. One thing led to another and we were soon arguing over drywall (it's funny looking back it now).

I don't recall exactly how my wife came into the picture now, but she came into the room and took my side. Well, he stepped up and got in her face and told her to "shut the f*** up." That was all it took. I'm a fairly large and calm guy (I had a few inches and probably 50 pounds on Bob), and I got between him and her, and I quietly told him to get out of my place and not to bother coming back. Bob refused, so I calmly grabbed his tools, opened the front door, tossed them in the front lawn, and a bit more forcefully told him that if he didn't follow them out on his own, I was going to do the same to him. Much to my relief, he complied and took off. My wife and I continued working for the rest of the day, and forgot about it. People are stupid, stuff happens, and I'd been through worse...So I didn't give it much thought after that.

Well, we go back to my relation's place where we were staying to shower, eat and go to bed, and lo' and behold, guess who's waiting for us to show up so he can continue the fight...Why, Bob of course. He starts in as soon as we get out of the car and I notice he's got a baseball bat. Not intimidated, I put wife on the other side of me and I and give her a "hurry up" nudge towards the house. As we're walking, I tell him to get outta here before I called the cops and something happened.

I continue to walk away, but Bob picks up the pace a little and brings the bat up like he's gonna take a swing. I give my wife a brisk shove to the side and draw my Glock at the same time. It only took Bob one or two more steps towards me to realize what he was looking at. He dropped the bat immediately and made a 90 degree turn, about turning himself inside out trying to get out of the line of fire (again, this is funny nowadays, as I replay it in my mind...It was an amusing sight. He acted like there was a swarm of bees around him or something, haha). Right about that time, my relatives come out to see what's going on, and see me standing there with a gun pointed at Bob as he's hastily retreating, spazing out and looking for cover. Without asking what's going on, they tell him to get off their property and thankfully he does so immediately.

I'll admit here that I didn't call the cops. But in hindsight, I should have. I didn't simply because things ended non-violently, and I wanted to "keep it in the family" so to speak. He genuinely didn't scare me, and I guess I just wasn't that worried about it. So, c'est la vie. All's well that ends well...Or so I thought.

A few days later, the wife and I show up back at our place to do some more work, and my good buddy Bob and a friend of his I'd never seen before are waiting out front...This time with a sledge hammer. We pull up and I roll the window down and ask what they want. Bob's friend speaks up first and says that they're there to "help." I told them in no uncertain terms to get off my lawn. They just stood there and insisted that they just came to "help" me renovate...All the while, Bob is tapping the handle of the hammer with his fingers.

As this discourse is going on, I carefully slip the Glock back out and lay it on my lap, behind the door where they can't see. We didn't have cell phones at the time since we pretty much just moved to town, but I bluffed them with my wife anyway and told her to call the cops, loud enough so they could hear. Bob's friend was a little upset by this and took a couple steps forward, saying something about how I shouldn't do that. I raised the pistol up over the edge of the door and told him to stay put. He froze in place and put his hands up, and slowly started stepping back towards Bob, who was still standing there with the sledge.

I told them they could either get off my property and go away, or, bluffing a little more, that they could sit there and wait for the cops to show up. They chose the former, with Bob's friend literally grabbing him by the arm and dragging him away, muttering stuff like "you didn't say nothin' 'bout no guns!" (another amusing thing in hindsight; he was pretty scared). I watched them get in their mini-van and drive away. Since I didn't actually have a phone, the wife and I drove back to my relative's house and called the cops from there. I asked the dispatcher to send an officer because I had an issue I needed to speak to him about.

Ten or fifteen minutes later, the cop shows up and I explain the whole situation to him, just as I've done here, and told him that someone really needed to go have a chat with Bob because I really didn't want to have to shoot him one of these days. The officer took down some basic information about Bob and called him in on the radio. As luck would have it, Bob had an outstanding warrant. The officer thanked me and told me he would head over and arrest him if he was home. On the way to his car, I heard him request assistance for an arrest. About an hour later, I called the jail and sure enough! Ol' Bob was warming a mattress in the local Grey Bar Motel. Bob did eight or nine months on a failure to pay fines for a DUI he'd had years before.

End of drama.

I know that perhaps to some it might sound like I left something out...I mean, why would a guy flip out over drywall, right? But I assure you it happened as I've told it. I ask myself the very same question to this day: why would someone get so upset over an argument? I have no answer to that and am just left with the age old adage that there's just no accounting for some people. I've seen Bob a couple times since, and magically, his demeanor towards me much friendlier. :)

Everything worked out well in the end thankfully, and the notion that a gun can solve matters peacefully, as much as lethally, was greatly reinforced. Always carry your gun, Folks. Problems can crop up anywhere, at any time, for anything, including things that you might not think are a big deal. There's just no accounting for some people, period.
 
Many years ago my wife and I both college students at the time, she was going for her Masters, were asleep in bed around 2-3 am when some loud banging came from the front door. I grabbed my Glock 19 and told me wife to back me up but not to come around the corner into the hallway which led to the front door. BTW, besides the G19 we had a Win 12ga Defender shotgun, Win Model 70 .270 rifle, baseball bat (front closet), stun guns, pepper spray and various other implements one could use to protect themselves or their loved ones. As I approached the front door I asked “Who’s there and what do you want?!?” A loud male voice called out that someone was chasing or menacing him with a gun, he begged me to let him in. I turned back to tell my wife to call 911 and was surprised to see her standing at the end of the hallway in a combat stance (bayonet charge style), armed with a pointy tipped umbrella, a dangerous look on her face wearing her pink nighty. The imagine stopped me mid-sentence as I briefly contemplated the utter devastation and mayhem a 5’ 2’ 110 pound mad as a hornet asian female could cause in a narrow hallway and moved slightly to one side. Then finished asking her to call 911. “Already did that” she curtly replied, with a “duh” kind of inflection in her voice. I hadn’t even noticed how level headed she was and was quite proud that she had done the smart thing which I should have done. “They wanted me to stay on the line” she said “but I told them no I was going to help my husband!” OMG! This guy outside was in deep poo if he had any ill intentions towards me! Being a nurse she knows all the sensitive spots I can assure you. As I turned back around I was a bit misty eyed, what a wife! Thank you Lord.

To make a long story short, which I’m terrible at, I asked the guy out front where the man with the gun was but he was begging and talking so fast he didn’t respond to my question so I shouted at him through the door to answer my questions or stay outside! He finally said on the street, we lived in the back right corner of a 4 plex at the time about 75-100 ft off the street. I then asked if he could see the man and the guy outside said no. So then I told him the only way I would let him in was at gun point and unlocked but didn’t open the door. I then quickly backed down the hallway. Ever mindful of the pointy but deadly end of the umbrella in my wifes hands. I told my wife to back into the bedroom and get 911 back on the phone. She did and with just my head and pistol peeking around the corner I called to the man outside to come inside. He did and his eyes got the size of silver dollars when he saw me and started walking down the hallway toward me, ***?!?! Didn’t think about that, what a dumbass, so I told him not to come any closer and to sit down in the hallway, on his hands, he couldn’t figure out how to do that but was a pretty fast learner after I said “Sit on your hands or go back outside!” I think I remember that from some TV show I watched, LOL!
My wife informed me that patrol car was less than a minute away then told the 911 operator that we had the man sitting inside the front door at gun point and also heard her say that we couldn’t just let him stay outside if his life was in danger. After a couple more minutes the 911 Op told my wife to ask the man to go outside to the police. That took some doing he looked more afraid of the police than someone outside with a gun. I had to tell him several times “Police outside get out, GET OUT!” Later the 911 operator told me to unload the weapon, put it away and go outside to the LEO’s. I put it on the dresser still loaded for my wife thank you very much.

That’s the story no mysterious gunman was found, but the guys van was parked about a block away and full of stereo’s and other electronics, he claimed to repair and resell them. What I think happened and I told the police this was that recently I had placed a motion detection light on the front porch. This guy was casing the area when the light went on. Scared he was discovered he went into his song and dance story. But why did he panic? The only thing I can think of was that he had cased the area before, maybe several times and knew that there were no motion detection lights around so when this one went on he panicked.

That was 1991 or thereabouts and I'm happy to say I’m still married to the same beautyful woman, still chuckle over the mental image of her standing at the end of the hall in a combat stance, pink nighty, pointy tipped umbrella and with a deadly look that stopped me mid-sentence. Now I have a CCW the same G19 which my wife will inherit soon cause I’m going to get me a G22 with a .357 Sig barrel or maybe a Kahr PM9? Decisions, decisions, LOL! 8^)
 
There are lots of self defense stories at http://www.claytoncramer.com/gundefe...g/blogger.html . And more at http://www.nraila.org/ArmedCitizen/Default.aspx .

Knock off the nitpicking if you want this one to stay open... one more time, this is NOT your little brother's Internet.

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Thanks for your efforts Lee and for the linky, but awww nevermind here read it yourself. :p

Around 4 a.m., a burglar broke into a garage in St. Louis. Mo. The break-in awakened the homeowner, who retrieved his gun and went to investigate. Upon discovering the intruder, the homeowner shot the criminal in the chest. The intruder was then transported to a local hospital for treatment.

That’s an example of some of the stories on the “other” site. My thoughts? Meh, no drama, no emo, and ther're bland, it’s really not very educational, no personalization, no hot chicks in pink nighties, no snarling dogs, no car chases or hot humid nights in New Orleans. It’s like reading a telephone book or an obituary so as for me I’ll stick to this THR thread and be educated and entertained at the same time!

Thanks Lee, great forum, great job, please sticky. . . :D

Wildkow

p.s. Hey that's weird how do you know my little brother? You know I've told him that same thing a million times but he still acts like it's his, could you pm him? Maybe he'll listen to you. ;)
 
recoil1776 - i kept wondering if maybe bob had plans on sleeping in your master bedroom while off work for a while and was irritated that you were mucking up his plans by filling it with a bunch of junk. just a theory.
 
When I was living in East Los Angeles about 8 years ago i had the family in the car going to my mothers house that was on the other side of Montebello where we lived. Since moving the family to east LA, I always carried a pistol(some what legal in a finger key Gunvault. I'll explain that at the end of this). The quickest way for us to get there is to cut strait up thru one of the neighborhoods between mine and my mothers house, which is a normally traveled rout for the area. On our way, another car pulled up quickly behind us, then swerved around and passed us. pulling up to a stop sign, the guy starts yelling and flipping me off. I just waved back, he cut me off and all. Proceding thru the neighborhood he kept up the yelling and arm flailing. Then at the next stop sign he proceded to dig around under his seat, either acting like he was going for something, or really was. Un-benonst to him my wife had already pulled the Gunvault from under the seat and opened it for me at the last stop sign. As he looked back at us to see if I was scared or trying to back off I put my right hand up ontop of the steering wheel with the gun clip in my hand, in plain site. He did a double take, forgot about digging around under his seat, and immediately turned to the right, down the neighborhood, and out of site. I kept the gun out until we got to my moms house. I took a round about way the rest of the way there just to make sure he hadn't doubled back was was following us. The whole event happened with out a word from me or my wife. And was only discussed with my mother. Never another word after.
God she's a good woman. She recognized the situation and acted accordingly as I had discussed previously with her when we first talked about moving to the LA area.

Another time either earlier this year or sometime last year, we were out in Springfield, MO. We moved to the mid-west 5 years ago and live in a small town just south of Springfield. Any ways, we were "in town" looking for something to do, and decided to take the kids bowling, 9, 6 and 4. The bowling alley we went to is on one of the larger main streets in Springfield, but it's in a slower area and sits well back off the street. The parking lot isn't lit very well, and you can't rreally see what goes one there from the street. It was dark, about 7:30 or so. I kept my CC with me and we went inside. We bolwed for about two hours and left with out incident. I kept my eyes open scanning the entire area, but nothing. Nothing happened to us, but a week later, to the day, another nurse that she works with was mugged at the same bowling alley. Around the same time that we were there.
I always carry and glad I got my CCW. Now my wife understands and appreciates why I wanted to get it.
 
Outdoor issue.

Mine was also a long time ago, before cellphones (1984) really got rolling. My fiancee at the time and I went camping with her relatives, just outside of Indianapolis. It was the 4th of July weekend, and we had picked a campsite that was relatively empty, but still close to town.

My ex-ex-fiancee and her cousin went back into town for some ice. Her 2nd cousin (13 at the time) and her cousins' partner went down to the stream to fish. I was muddling around the roadway and streambank areas. Even though I had my CCW, I was wearing my Walther P1/P38 in a Uncle Mike's shoulder holster, over my t-shirt.

30 minutes had passed, and I wandered back to the campsite to find 3 juveniles going through our tents. Naturally, being polite, but forceful, I asked what the were doing. One reached for a fixed blade knife at his waist. One of the others tried to bluff that it was their campsite!

I explained that they were wrong, as it was my campsite, and they needed to leave NOW! The one with the knife obviously thought better of it, and re-sheathed the knife. I "escorted" the 3 young gentlemen to the edge of the camp. The knife carrier asked if I would have shot them. I did not respond, but gently smiled and he said "that is kind of what I thought would happen."
 
Last night, I had just put my daughter down to bed. I was watching a movie in my living room, and heard a couple of hollow "bang" noises outside. I look out my window and see a group of 10 or 12 people in the street, and one person being thrown to the ground. My initial thought was "this is a gang-beating".

Not necessarily gang-related, but a group of people on one or two people. This seems to be getting more commonplace. Now, my area is not known for its crime rate, it's actually known for its wealthy citizens. I don't happen to live in that part of town, but still...

So, Still armed with my Taurus .357 and a speed loader from CC on a trip to the store earlier, i grab my phone, and rush down the stairs and outside. The group is now in a driveway, and i hear yelling about a broken car window. The group has obviously been drinking, but only one guy seems to be the problem. I can't see well, only enough to distinguish one human shape from another. I get on the phone and call the police. I then hear "David, give me the knife! give me the [] knife, David!" And i see a few of the people struggling for something. I Advise the dispatcher of the situation, and tell her to hurry up. I also tell her to advise the officers that I have a CCW and that i'm carrying. Shortly after this, the problem drunkard notices me, and yells "Kid, if you're calling the cops i'll [] kill you!" and begins advancing toward me. Without thinking about it, my pistol is drawn and aimed at the guy as he's advancing. This is when things get a little surreal. The whole "slow motion" thing is pretty close.. I'm watching him advance, and still trying to report to the dispatcher. I inform her that he's coming and that i've just drawn my weapon. She tells me to attempt to remove myself from the situation and get indoors. Backing away from the man, still aiming, i try to make it to the door of my condo complex. A girl has jumped in front of the man, trying to hold him back, telling him "David, he's got a gun! please! David stop!" I consider cocking the hammer, and decide not to. It's a double-action, and the stiffer trigger pull is a good thing, considering I don't have a clear shot with the girl there, and i have tons of adrenaline pumping through my veins. I think about shooting the man, and a short movie plays through my head of what a 125-grain hydra-shok might do to his chest cavity. I think about the rate at which he's advancing, how far away he is, and how close he would have to be to stab me. I decide that a shot is not necessary. Finally i reach the door, and struggle with the finnicky door lock. I get inside and shut the door. Just then, i see the spotlight come up the road, and inform the dispatcher that the police have arrived. I ask her what to do with my weapon, and she says something i can't remember. I wave to one officer who is looking at me, and slowly crack the door, hold my gun outside by the handle, pointing down, and lay it on the concrete. I slowly step out with my hands up. I can see that i have at least one officer's weapon trained on me, and i'm being ordered to the ground. I get confused at this point, since the area was very narrow, and i don't want to spook the officers by appearing to go for my weapon. I lie down on the ground, an officer secures my weapon, and I am handcuffed. Shortly afterward, an officer comes over to question me, I am uncuffed, and a few moments later, the officer hands me a witness statement. While i'm filling it out, the officer returns my gun, which they had unloaded, and begins loading it. I tell him "It's fine, don't do that. I'd prefer it were unloaded right now." Last thing i need at this point is another thing to make the cops nervous. The drunk guy, being escorted in cuffs down the road, begins screaming that i had held a gun to his head and stabbed him with a knife...? The police obviously don't buy this nonsense and put him in the back of a car, where he proceeds to kick out the window. I then hear an officer yell "You stupid []! That's a felony charge now!"

I talked to the officer today, and he informed me that the guy will be charged with drunk and disorderly, whatever it was for kicking out the police car window, and for felonious assault. I may be get a subpoena to be a witness.

All in all, this was a big learning experience. I had always wondered about the button-snap lash on that holster, and how much of a hinderance it would be. Apparently not that much, as I was able to draw the gun with no conscious effort. I also learned that, despite all the horror stories about CC and OC regarding police, not all officers are oblivious to the laws... though it did make me wonder why they took my word for having a CCW permit, and nobody asked to see it or my license...

All I can say after this incident is, if you have to draw, expect to be handcuffed at some point. Don't get upset about it. It's part of the process of securing the scene. Be polite, comply with the cops, and things will go much better for you.
 
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Watch out for those behind the counter

Backpacker33 in Post #77, said:
“So far as I recall, the only person other than myself who saw where he put it was the woman behind the counter.”

I have no proof but a very strong hunch that this is common.

I was visiting in Tennessee and left about 4AM to make it home before dark. About 9AM just west of Little Rock I pulled off I-30 into a quick-food for a biscuit and coffee. I found I had not enough loose money to pay and pulled out my wallet, which contained a few hundred dollars. I got out two dollars, paid the waitress, took my biscuit and coffee to the car, and drove away. I’m certain no one but the waitress saw my money.

Five miles down the road I have the cruise on 76, enjoying the food, in the left lane passing a line of trucks when I notice in the mirror a small black SUV coming behind doing about 90mph. “Okay, you’re in a hurry, you got the road.” I tap the brake to release cruise and duck into the line of trucks. The SUV doesn’t pass. He gets up to my rear fender and matches my speed. I glance over and can see nothing inside because the windows have film so dark I can’t even see light coming through the sunny side windows.

He stays there. After a couple of miles I decide if he’s not going then I am. I stomp it and move out. Blip the cruise back on 76 and continue munching my biscuit. Here he comes right behind me. I keep an eye on him because he rode my fender and I’m not sure of his driving ability. So far, I’m still not with the program, I’m naive and thinking he’s just a dumb driver. He stays behind me

Somewhere about Hot Springs I lose track of him and figure he turned off. I get about 20 miles shy of the Texas line and my butts getting sore. I pull into a truck stop, decide it’s close enough to lunch to get another bite and the time spent will do my butt good. I eat a sandwich, use the rest room, look at the stuff on display, and after 25 or 30 minutes I hit the road.

One mile down the road I glance up and here’s the SUV on my tail. At last I wise up. Even if he pulled off for gas or whatever it’s too much coincidence that we took the same amount of time to within a few seconds.

I found me a line of trucks and fell in with them. they do 60, I do 60, they do 70, I do 70, them 50, me 50. Whoever is in the SUV now knows they’ve been made and they gas it and go ahead. The tag is covered with sun-cracked plastic and all I can discern is that it’s an Arkansas tag.

Problem is that I’m coming up on the road to turn off and I’m wondering if he’s up ahead watching in his mirror if I pull off. This road is my favorite because there’s not many houses, few towns, and a good road. Texas speed limit on 2-lane roads is 70 and I can get away with 76. I figure if he shows up I can probably out-run him and know I can out-corner him, and hope I find a speed trap if he does. I figure if I push 80 I’ll be too far down the road before he can get turned around and catch up. I push 80.

I never saw him again and got home safe. However, I learned a lesson: I now make certain I have enough loose money in my pocket to pay and not have to let anyone see into my wallet. I’m certain that the waitress watched me leave and then ran to the restroom and called her boyfriend. For him to catch up to me so quick means they had a working arrangement already set up for when someone revealed money that she could get him going in an instant.

Call 911? The cops can do nothing until he does something and the something he’s trying to do ain’t gonna be fun. Best of all, I avoided a gunfight.

Please learn from my mistake; I did.
 
Background to this story: a neighbor's home four houses away was burgled three days prior (during the day when most folks were gone), and he lost several firearms.

I was working from home about 1:30 pm last Thursday, and looked up to see two adult males walking through my side yard right next to the house, moving from the street toward the back of our property. I made my way quickly to that end of the house without allowing them to see me.

They stopped at the door on the side of the house (not visible from the street, one that no one uses to enter our house), and I stopped in the hallway to listen for any conversation between them (there was none). When I heard them doing something to my storm door I pulled my P228 to a low ready position, prepared to call 911, and waited for them to try the wood door.

Hearing no sounds for a few seconds, I moved slightly to where I could see them through a window without being seen. They were walking away back toward the street. When I opened the door to see what they had been doing I saw a note taped to the storm door advertising for yard work, leaf removal, etc.

I quickly put on my jacket to cover the now reholstered SIG, and went outside. They were already gone, but I noticed the same type of note taped to my neighbor's door. I called the number on the note and got an answering machine, then checked it with 411.com. They live in the next county west of here, and all seems legit, but they sure picked a bad time to be going door-to-door through this neighborhood.
 
OK one more. I was leaving the SO and I was involved with some search warrants. Two weeks left until I left I was on a raid with a bunch of my buddies. The had discovered a script operation selling to JR high and Yept he was selling only his own but he was getting allot. I'm in the living room which is large with a queen size bed in the center. Lets call this guy Rastiss, skinny. unshaven boy from the hills of KY. I was standing beside the bed from which Rastess set. He was shaking like a leaf and though I wasn't looking at him I was kinda watching him. He shook awhile and then the classic check shirt pocket and immediately slam his hand under the bed. I caught this out of my peripheral and I was close. This was the revolver era and I slammed one into the back of his head drawing and shoving the gun across my body. I was half way through the double action pull when I saw he had grabbed a pack of Marlboros.


Jim
 
I used to work maintenance for a fairgrounds in the summer while I was in school. I did all the machinery maintenance, mowing, setting up for horse shows etc.
There was still mowing to be done when school started up again in the fall so I would come in and work a few evenings here and there as needed. Was there one night trying to get ready for a big event the following weekend. I had to get several areas mowed before campers came in.
I started about 5:00pm and found that they had left my tractor almost out of fuel. They didn't have a bulk tank at the time, and instead kept an account with a gas station 200 yards down the road. It was rush hour and I didn't really want to take the tractor and mower (80hp john deere with an 11ft bush hog) down the road, but figured it was the only way to get the mowing done in time. I had working flashers, SMV and all the required stuff so I was legal to go.
I pull to the end of the driveway and wait, flashers on, broad daylight. Speed limit is 25 and when I get a break I pull out. An old suburban was about 100 yards down the road and I was out, squarely in the lane and doing about 18mph when it caught up to me and slammed on its brakes. By that point I was clear to use the center/turn lane so I pulled over early to let him by, and figured I'd stay in the turn lane and out of traffic for the last 50 yards.
The suburban roars past me the minute I'm in the turn lane, then slams over in front of me at the last minute and stands on the brakes. I don't know what the idea was because I'm on a 9000lb tractor with 600lbs of steel hanging on the nose and could have put a hurtin on a rusted out suburban for sure. I got stopped without incident though and just sat, not making any gestures or attempts to go around.
Next thing I know, the suburban has turned left into the gas station ahead of me and parked at the entrance to the foodmart. I had reservations about following them in, but if I didn't turn in I had to drive the tractor and bush hog farther into town and find somewhere to turn it around. So I pulled in as soon as traffic cleared and proceeded on past the suburban to the diesel pump at the far corner. Shut the tractor down, but left the flashers on and hopped off to fuel it up.
Just as I'm turning to pick up the nozzle, I see the suburban coming around the pumps. I'm on the inside of the last pump under the awning right next to the exit driveway to a side street. There is a lady with a small car on the outside line that he has to pull around and he ends up parking next to me on an angle, kind of pointing out the driveway, but more towards the bush hog behind the tractor. This leaves the drivers window pretty much square to me.
Its an older guy, kind of dirty looking and he's leaning out the window, but neither hand is in view. Proceeds to yell something about next time I'll see how fast somebody is going before I pull out in front of them and it "better not happen again dumb***"
I just stood squarely, hands at my sides and didn'y reply. That seemed to make him madder still, but he pulled out and left. I got fuel and made my way safely back to the fairgrounds and mowed for a few hours, but had an uneasy feeling the whole time about being alone, and unarmed in the middle of a field right by the road. If I could have seen where his hands were it wouldn't have been as bad, but I had no idea what he planned or if he was armed and its not like I was going to hide driving a tractor through town.
 
I was aware of that, but being that i live in a condo complex, i'm not sure how the laws work with it, since i don't personally own the lawn, technically. Also, i had rushed out of the house... i must've looked like every guy ever on "Cops" minus the mullet... i had no shirt on, tattoos and piercings all in plain view, and i was carrying in a hip holster, so it was no longer CC at that point. It just made me scratch my chin when i realized they hadn't even asked for my driver's license. Maybe they ran the registration on the SN on the gun and cross-referenced it? Who knows. A big "A+" to the local cops for not profiling me, i guess :D

Either way, if you know the specifics of the law regarding carry on shared property like that, i'd be rather interested, as i've never looked into that aspect. Feel free to PM me, and thanks for the heads-up :)
 
I got pulled over a couple of days ago by a state trooper right after I got onto HWY65 in southwest MO. I was leaving my in-laws house to go to mine really quick. My exit is just a few miles down the road. He was sitting at the light to the on ramp while I had to yeild to opposing traffic. He made the turn, I was next, then he immediately pulled right and stopped, and I passed him. He then gets going again, pulls behind me, and puts his lights on. I pull over, stop, and get my wallet and liscence out. He walks up to the right side of my truck and starts with the usual. He says that he pulled me over because I don't have a visible plate on the font of my truck. I didn't. I have a custom bumper on my truck, and have not put the plate back on. It's been in my dash for about three years. I didn't think it was a big deal. I see dozens of trucks in my area with no plates, bumpers, or both. What ever.
He asks for my liscence and insurance card. Our CCW permits in MO are just red letters and a date in the upper right corner of our DL's. Not very noticeable. He looked quickly at it but said nothing. Right as he started to walk away I wanted to make it clear that I have a CCW permit. I informed him quickly that I have a CCW permit and that I do have a weapon on me. It had been fairly cold the last few days, so instead of wearing a holster, I had my pistol in my right jacket pocket. He gave me a quick look, and said "Ok".
He came back, said he was just giving me a warning for the plate. Very polite, no big fuss. He gives me my DL and ins card back. Then says that he appreciates me informing him about my CCW and weapon, "Have a good day".
That was it. No big fuss, worries, or anything. He didn't bat an eye when I informed him, didn't step back. No unusual movements. I give big props to the Trooper for his reaction, or lack there of. But I'm also glad he didn't make a big issue of it. As in making me get out of the vehicle, relinguish my weapon, etc.
 
I once was pulled over in Wyoming, passing through a little town where the limit drops by increments then as you leave it, goes up by increments. Well I was going ten over as I thought I hit the 55 zone. Had a .45 in the glove box and an AK permit, when the officer came to the window I told him as much. He was fine with it, however I had to open the glove box to get the registration. I carefully pulled the registration from under the 1911. The officer never seemed concerned. Gave me a warning and I was on my way.

Some places dont require you to tell LE that you are carrying, but I do out of respect and it seems that the gesture is appreciated.
 
Let me begin by pointing out that this happened during the one time I've left my house unarmed in the last six months since I got my permit.

My family and I just returned from Missouri yesterday and I have two little kids. My Explorer was completely trashed and needed to be vacuumed out very badly.

I pulled up to the car wash and pulled into a covered vacuuming area. I began vacuuming and within 2-3 minutes was I heard voices behind me. I turned around and 3 homeless guys were standing about 10 feet away. They asked me for some change and I replied that I didn't have any cash aside from the change I was using to vacuum the car out. Well, they didn't like this response and were getting progressively more aggressive with their behavior. I just kept telling them that I couldn't help them and then one of them squared off on me. At this point, I began working my way back to my open car door, got in and drove off with them yelling profanities at me all they way.

Luckily, what could have been a very bad situation, turned out okay. Although, I do believe if I had acted timid, or been smaller than i am the outcome probably would have been very different.

LESSONS LEARNED:

1. Situational Awareness is key. The location of the stall I was in couldn't have been any better for them to mug someone. It was behind a gas station, on the end of the car wash complex and completely unviewable from the street and almost all of the other stalls. The 3 of them could have jumped me with very little possibility of witnesses or help for me. I did a quick visual sweep of the area when I pulled in and there were no other people around, I guess that's why my guard was down enough for them to sneak up on me.

2. If you are going to be doing something like changing a tire, or vacuuming the car out. It is definitely best to do it in a well traveled, well populated area. When you go somewhere like a car wash, be mindful of where you park. If I had chosen a stall on the other end, that was within view of 2 main streets and the gas station parking lot, it would have made it alot riskier for them to try to do anything.

3. Stay calm, or at least appear to be calm. I won't lie and say that I wasn't scared, because I was borderline terrified. I truly believe that my outward appearance of being calm and ready to deal with anything they tried, prevented the situation from escalating any further. I'm a big dude (6' 1" 240lbs), but they could see that walking up. That is why I believe it was my demeanor that was the deciding factor.

4. If you are legally able to carry, NEVER leave home without it. As I said at the beginning, this was the one time I've gone out without it since I got my permit 6 months ago. All because I wore it from 7am to 1am yesterday and didn't want to bother with it today. Having my pistol with me probably would not have prevented me being harassed, but it would have allowed me to control the situation had it gone further up the "Oh, Crap" scale.

Feel free to add your own inputs, this was definitely a situation I'd like to learn from.
 
As a police officer I never cared when an evidently law abiding citizen was carrying a firearm. If anything, I encouraged it. I did however, appreciate their telling me that it was in the vehicle or on their person. I just don't like surprises in the event I were to find out without their forthrightness.

It seems to me that if someone is willing to make me aware of a firearm that I didn't already know about that I don't have much to fear from them. If I had significant reason to fear, they probably wouldn't have told me about the weapon.

While I came across more than one person carrying who did not have a permit, especially before it was so easy to get them, I did not make an issue of it..... again, unless there was an aggravating circumstance. I generally did not take it from them or even check the numbers. The situation obviously dictated.

Where I worked I can honestly say that most of the officers had about the same attitude. Then again, some did not so you can't depend on that.

Be safe. Shoot accurately.

Joshua Scott
www.FrontSightFocus.org
 
About 2-3 weeks ago I was taking care of a friends animals. I had to work that day so my mother drove my brother over and got the truck stuck in the mud. After work I went with my dad to get the tractor from the friends house , so grabing and loading (funny thing: listened to a sermon from my grandparents about loaded guns in your waistband not 10 minutes before!:neener:) the p22 the friend left me headed out. we pull into the friends driveway look in the yard and there is a dog and a sheep:scrutiny: (they have alot of sheep),so dad walks over to the sheep who is badly mauled and brings it into the light for closer inspection. At this point the dog gets up circles arond and begins growling and showing teeth, I warned dad (6',2" 260)of the aproaching dog so he yelled at it and it backed off. About 30 seconds after that the dog comes in my direction so I (6',0 140 not near as scary) begin yelling at the dog, unphased it keeps coming at me. So then I pull the gun fumble with the safety:banghead: and manage to get a round into the ground before it bites me. (the dog was 3 feet away!) stupid move #1 I knew this dor was aggesive so I should of removed it from the area right off the bat.(bat?:rolleyes:) #2 when I shot it did scare the dog off ,BUT I missed my foot by 6 inches!:what: lesson learned and I will not shoot to scare any more!:D
 
Hmmmmm.... all great stories.... here's another for you...

Thirsty for a Roy Rogers, I just stopped off at the bar on my way home tonight.... the bar is in a seedy neighborhood (mine, lol) and I haven't been in there in quite a while.... here in MN you can legally carry in a bar (not drunk), and you can legally carry, even in most places where they have signs prohibiting carry, so long as you leave if asked...

I parked the truck and took a mental inventory of the parking lot. Got out and walked up to the door. I looked for any 'no guns' signs, and not seeing any proceeded in with my Taurus 85 SSUL tucked IWB. Although we can enter establishments that prohibit weapons, it is not my habit to do that unless I 'need' to use that facility, since I don't drink alcohol, this was not one of those times... :)

As I came through the door I see a guy with a blue "SECURITY" shirt on. In his hand is a metal detector wand.....

Well, it appears that they have implemented a metal detector sweep at the door of my neighborhood bar.... hmmmm.... I immediately thought of turning around and heading out before I got to him, but there was no one at the door but me and I thought that might look awkward... I reached for my wallet, thinking I might need to explain the gun in my waistline and the best way to do that would be my carry license....

My heart kind of raced as he waved the wand over my legs and up. It triggered @ my pocket and I jingled my keys in the pocket, seeming satisfied he moved up around my waist, where naturally it triggered again, on my .38. Right at this point I disrupted him by saying "You need my ID?" and waved my wallet at him, to which he answered "no". I carry on strong side front, just above said pocket with keys. Surprisingly, he ignored the second triggering and kept moving up. He never padded me at all and waived me in.....

I sat down for a couple of minutes noticing all the seedy characters the bar now attracts and wondering how many of them may have slipped in with a gun too. The waitress came over and asked if I needed a drink. Being a little flustered I said no and I sat for a few minutes. I thought about going over and telling the 'guard' that his sweep was inadequate, but thought better of that. Shortly I decided that I really didn't need to be in a bar that needed to have detector sweeps at the door, and much less so a bar that couldn't conduct such a sweep properly and catch things such as, oh, I don't know, maybe something as innocuous as a .38 caliber pistol IWB....

I got up and walked out, smiling at the door man as I left. He was too busy inadequately sweeping a couple of other people at the door, so he didn't notice me..... Making better note as I left, there were no signs prohibiting weapons of any sort.... odd I thought...

Lesson learned?- Just because they sweep for weapons doesn't mean they get them! Be especially cautious of 'security guard' type situations where they have generally low level, low paid guys running 'security' at the door.... if the TSA can't even do it right when trained how can you expect Joe The Bouncer to get it right?
 
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A few years ago we were visiting in-laws in The Republic of California on vacation. We were down the road working on the siding on the rental house. The neighbors doberman got out and became aggressive. My kids came out of the in-laws house and the dog headed their way. I ran down there with a stick and chased the dog back home. I went back to the rental house and the dog came to harrass again. I told my wife to go get my FN-C 9mm. She came back and I placed the gun in the back of the truck.

The dog came over and started growling and bearing it's teeth. I got my gun in hand and attempted to call the police on my cell phone. All I got was "all operators are busy". My BIL told me he could take care of the dog and to put my gun away (not). The dog made a lung as if attacking my BLI and I snapped the gun up and fired one shot. It struck the dog in the right front leg.

Unknown to me, my FIL had borrowed the renters phone and was talking to the dispatcher at the time of the shot. The dog retreated to the porch. I reholstered my gun and placed it in the bed of the pickup. Within 45 sec, we had 4 sheriffs deputies. The were down the street sitting.

They took my weapon and began questioning. I demostrated verbally that my BIL had no retreat, had a truck behind him, 5 gal of paint to his rt, and me on his left. The dog lunged as if attacking, and I, fearing for his life, fire one round to STOP the attack. The dog retreated and I reholstered my weapon. Thank you CHL class for teaching me what to say.

At least 5 people drove by, stopped, came up to me, shook my hand and thanked me for shooting the dog, all while the sheriffs were questioning me. The sheriff gave me two bags, one with my gun and one with my magazine. He told me not to take it out until I was back in the house. Newpaper did a writeup on it. 2 months later the dog was back at it ant the neighbors told my FIL to have me come back. I told him that the boy from Texas had shown them how to do it, now it was up to them to cowboy up.

Ron
 
Dang car alarms

In 2007 I worked a big project out of state. I had to live in one of those extended-stay hotels for the duration.

One night, I awoke around 3AM to the sound of my truck's alarm going off. It was faint and slower than normal, as if it had been sounding for hours and the battery was drained. I tried to silence it with the remote, but I guess the battery was too weak on the truck for the system to receive the signal.

I went out there and started fiddling to shut it off. A man appeared in a 3rd floor window and started screaming profanities; it had obviously ruined his night's sleep. I apologized a thousand times, as I frantically searched in the dark for a way to shut it off.

He disappeared for a second, then returned to the window brandishing a large revolver saying "you want me to come down there?". I cut the wire to the siren, and quickly started back to my room. I heard him and about 5 of his buddies coming down the stairs, so I dove into some bushes. All I had was the utility knife that I grabbed from my toolbox to cut the wire; my piece was locked in my room.

They came outside and looked around for me for a few minutes, all of them armed and yelling racial slurs:cuss:. That was kinda weird, seeing as how I don't belong to the race they were screaming about. I sat silently for what seemed an eternity. When they left I returned to my room, changed my underpants, and then checked out of that place later that morning.

Sorry I ruined their rest, but is it really worth shooting a guy for?
 
a few years ago we were visiting in-laws in the republic of California on vacation. We were down the road working on the siding on the rental house. The neighbors doberman got out and became aggressive. My kids came out of the in-laws house and the dog headed their way. I ran down there with a stick and chased the dog back home. I went back to the rental house and the dog came to harrass again. I told my wife to go get my fn-c 9mm. She came back and i placed the gun in the back of the truck.

The dog came over and started growling and bearing it's teeth. I got my gun in hand and attempted to call the police on my cell phone. All i got was "all operators are busy". My bil told me he could take care of the dog and to put my gun away (not). The dog made a lung as if attacking my bli and i snapped the gun up and fired one shot. It struck the dog in the right front leg.

Unknown to me, my fil had borrowed the renters phone and was talking to the dispatcher at the time of the shot. The dog retreated to the porch. I reholstered my gun and placed it in the bed of the pickup. Within 45 sec, we had 4 sheriffs deputies. The were down the street sitting.

They took my weapon and began questioning. I demostrated verbally that my bil had no retreat, had a truck behind him, 5 gal of paint to his rt, and me on his left. The dog lunged as if attacking, and i, fearing for his life, fire one round to stop the attack. The dog retreated and i reholstered my weapon. Thank you chl class for teaching me what to say.

At least 5 people drove by, stopped, came up to me, shook my hand and thanked me for shooting the dog, all while the sheriffs were questioning me. The sheriff gave me two bags, one with my gun and one with my magazine. He told me not to take it out until i was back in the house. Newpaper did a writeup on it. 2 months later the dog was back at it ant the neighbors told my fil to have me come back. I told him that the boy from texas had shown them how to do it, now it was up to them to cowboy up.

Ron

astronomical win!
 
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