I've Lost My Passion For The 2A

[TomJ]

The reason we need semi automatic guns with higher capacity magazines is not complicated. It's due to the possibility of multiple assailants. I live in the Chicago area. While we live in a suburb with a low crime rate there's no fence or moat surrounding it. It's not uncommon to see a carload of thugs driving around, including the 4 that committed an armed robbery in front of my house a few years ago. If limited to a revolver, you'd have 5 or 6 rounds to defend yourself against 4 or more attackers. While it's not my place to tell others what to carry, I'd prefer not to face those odds. I say this with the understanding that the odds of having to draw my gun, much less use it are negligible. If I ever am in the unfortunate situation of needing it, I want to do everything possible to tip the scales in my favor.

 

[Choctaw]

I would reckon your resistance would last until a Hellfire turned your home, pickup and guns into a flaming pool of spilt diesel, charred meat and plastic slag.

You aren't the only person on this board with military experience, cowboy. But considering your attitude I think I'll go out at lunch and buy another AR. You just can't ever have enough semi-automatic rifles.

 

[Frank Ettin]

...I really don't think we need semiautomatic weapons,...

That theme came up in the recent Second Circuit opinion in New York State Rifle & Pistol Assoc. v. Cuomo. But here's how noted scholar, David Kopel, dealt with that sort of notion:

...This is a milder way of saying that a gun which is better-suited for self-defense than other guns may be prohibited. Contrast NYSRPA with Heller, where a gun’s high utility for fighting home invaders helped show why it could not be prohibited:

There are many reasons that a citizen may prefer a handgun for home defense: It is easier to store in a location that is readily accessible in an emergency; it cannot easily be redirected or wrestled away by an attacker; it is easier to use for those without the upper-body strength to lift and aim a long gun; it can be pointed at a burglar with one hand while the other hand dials the police.​

So handguns are faster to deploy, easier to control in a confined space, easier for some people to shoot and easier to use to control a burglar. In other words, they are “more deadly.” And that is one reason why “the American people have considered the handgun to be the quintessential self-defense weapon.” So, “Whatever the reason, handguns are the most popular weapon chosen by Americans for self-defense in the home, and a complete prohibition of their use is invalid,” said Heller.....

Certain attributes can make any tool (like a gun) better suited for its purpose. But the purpose depends on the person wielding that tool. Just as a particular attribute making a hammer work better as a hammer makes that hammer more effective for knocking holes in walls, the same attribute makes it more useful for building a school.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

I just don't see why your hobbies are more important than the lives of Americans.

I don't think any lives will be saved by me giving up my gun hobby.

In my home town in 2004 a man knifed a woman to death in the boarding house a block from my apartment; in 2006 he was caught and identified after beating a couple to death in their home with a baseball. Three of the eight murders 2004-2006 in my hometown. Two murders by shooting in 2005 were between rival cocaine gangstas. I don't think any of them were influenced by my gun hobby.

In other local murders, a pair hammered and knifed an Iraq war vet in a home theft, and a bunch of druggies stoned a suspected snitch with a rock.

In 2013 nationwide, 768 people were murdered by unarmed attackers. I recall that every time I hear or read a news report lamenting "unarmed teens" Trayvon Martin or Michael Brown lost to self-defense with a gun.

Would a ban on guns affect lives of Americans?
Would giving up my hobby save lives?

Well, Britain banned handguns in 1997.

1997 British Handgun Ban and British Murders and Robberies
o Six years before the handgun ban (1991-1996):
Total murders: 4,240, handgun murders: 176,
Total robberies: 358,178, handgun robberies: 17,321.
o Six years after the ban (1998-2003):
Total murders: 5,103, handgun murders: 255,
Total robberies: 576,218, handgun robberies: 17,047.

British handgun owners, target shooters, gun collectors, gave up their hobby. For what? The enboldening of murderers and robbers willing to use bare hands, feet, clubs, knives, and non-gun weapons to inflect greater numbers of non-gun violence against unarmed victims?

 

[Shanghai McCoy]

"...I really don't think we need semi-automatic weapons."
So all the old Remington 742 deer rifles and 1100 shotguns, the old Browning deer rifles and model 5 shotguns, the Ruger 10/22's Mini 14 and 30's as well as other "sporting purpose" hunting guns will be declared illegal..?

Well heck, we really don't "NEED" Corvettes, Camaros, Ferraris or any other fast, powerful and fun to drive car or any of those urbanites driving tricked out pickup trucks or SUV's as a commuter vehicle don't "need" them either.

 

[KansasSasquatch]

If you think we should give up semi automatic firearms because they aren't necessary for personal defense or hunting, you have ZERO understanding of what the 2nd Amendment is actually about. Semi automatics are THE BEST firearms for self defense but they are also the last line of defense against tyranny and foreign invaders. I hope we never need them for either of those purposes again. One thing is for sure, give them up and shortly after we will need them.

You can give up whatever YOU want, but I'm not giving up a thing.

 

[Elkins45]

You have every right to lose your passion for the second amendment. You do not, however have the right to bargain away mine.

No lives will be saved by throwing away my guns.

 

[P5 Guy]

Throughout history there has been a series of mass murders that have accured. Below is a list from the early 1900's to the present time of the mass murders that have taken place and the details about them.

https://www.raptureready.com/time/massmurder.html

I challenge your assertion that mass murders and spree murders are on the rise. When in general violent assaults are down in the country.

 

[Shanghai McCoy]

Folks, he's only 26 and a product of the media culture. Try to help him realize his opinion isn't based on sound information instead of throwing him under the bus.

Then he's probably too young to know the term "Quisling" as well ...

 

[Corpral_Agarn]

I'm only 26, age is no excuse for a patent disregard for the freedoms our ancestors fought and died for.

Also 26 and couldn't agree more.

Personally I think it is pretty simple.

Killing folks is illegal and yet people still do it.

They didn't adhere to the piece of paper that said they cannot do it... because physically, they can. They did.

Putting down more writing preventing me from being just as armed as my enemy is silly.

 

[mjsdwash]

i think the simplest answer is move to the UK and be a victim of ravenous street crime. The simple fact is that anyone wanting more gun control can find it in almost any other county. They consider their emotions ahead of the civil rights of all, and more importantly they can move. The pro gun crowd cant. Besides the msrp+changeout would easily bankrupt our gov. In fact, the gov. is really already there.

 

[mjsdwash]

I think the key issue is TURN OFF YOUR TV!. Stop letting the media tell you how to think-feel-vote

 

[Midwest]

If people want to give up their firearms, that is their right. But they sure as hell do NOT have the right to take away my firearms...or take away the firearms of anyone else.
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[TimSr]

...a voluntary exchange of semiautomatic weapons for a bolt-action or other manual-action longarm or revolver plus the weapon's MSRP in cash,

So I can trade this semi-automatic assault weapon in to the government



for one of these?



Count me in!

 

[hso]

Rocketmedic,

Are you going to voluntarily surrender your semiautomatic HiPoint 45 by trading it in on a revolver? If not, is it because you know you're a rational and stable individual that isn't a threat to the public safety? Do you understand that almost every gunowner is like you?

Are you going to insist that knives and bats be done away with? Why not since more knives are used than long guns in homicides? The same with "blunt objects". Matter of fact, the same with hands and feet. Look at the Uniform Crime Report. Dive down into the facts. It helps to know the facts instead of making emotional responses.

 

[Deanimator]

Then he's probably too young to know the term "Quisling" as well ...

Quisling was dead before I was born, but I know his name... along with those of Petain, and Laval, and Degrelle, and Mussert. They're of a kind with our AHSA "bretheren".

 

[J-Bar]

Folks, Rocketmedic just wants to feel safe. He does not want to see bad things happen to people. He wants the world to be a Walt Disney movie. My 11 year old granddaughter wants the same things.

Unfortunately, the real world is not a Walt Disney movie.

 

[mjsdwash]

as far as the whole "resistance against tyranny" and the "army would crush you in a day" attitude. lets look at the wars America fought. We fought the revolution and won. We fought a disadvantaged resistance in Vietnam, and lost, same with Iraq, Same with Afghanistan. The number of armed Americans enormously exceeds the capacity of the government to fight them all. You will not see nuclear weapons, or carpet bombing against the civilian us. You would not see heavy artillery against the civilian us. This is silly. A revolution requires only disabling the political head. Its that easy. Its only a few hundred people. The reason it does not happen more is that the government is necessary to maintain civilization, and our current government structure is better than most. But this is not on topic. Just something to consider, for those that want to bring it up.

 

[jmorris]

Just so I get this right, people only die from shots fired from a semi-auto firearm?

The op might also be interested in learning about the deadliest school massacre in US history and the fact that not only was no semiauto used, no firearms at all were used.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

 

[onelastshot]

So, over the last two years, I have found my faith and belief in the 2A badly shaken by the depressing and continuous string of mass shootings.

I respect the fact that you've lost your faith and belief in the 2nd Amendment. As a matter of fact I'd like to help you with your troubled soul as a gun owner. To help you unburden yourself, I'm willing to give you five dollars for every handgun you own and ten dollars for every rifle. Send me a PM and I'll let you know where you can have the firearms shipped.

 

[johnnypd]

I will keep my gun. All of them.
Shooting is more then a hobby. It's
my right.

 

[mjsdwash]

Can anyone here list the number of Mass Shootings using assault rifles to kill people? Zero. How about assault weapons?

I'll start.
Aurora Colorado, Sandy Hook, Santa Monica, ...


Got any others? No?

Littleton was a pistol
Virginia Tech was a pistol
Jonesborough was a deer rifle
Fort hood was a pistol
Marysville was a pistol
DC naval was a shotgun
Springfield oregon was a pistol and a 22lr rifle.

That's it. The semiautomatic rifle might get flashed on the TV/computer screen when the reports first come in, but we eventually learn that this is the trick of the gun bigots and some people aren't wise to it (or don't want to learn).

 

[modifiedbrowning]

See my signature. That's all I'm going to say.

 

[yugorpk]

I would reckon your resistance would last until a Hellfire turned your home, pickup and guns into a flaming pool of spilt diesel, charred meat and plastic slag.

Thats where you are wrong. After the confiscation laws are passed by well meaning Democrats who are looking out for our own good or by Law and Order Republicans who want to take a bite out of crime those of us who resist the implementation of said law will be labeled as terrorists. Won't be a lot of us but half a million or so armed resistors will make whoever passed such silliness regret their decision. Americans as a rule do not have the stomach for terrorism. When the SWAT team busts down my door to take my guns and 2 or 3 of them bleed out on the floor while I am dutifully dispatched and that happens a few thousand times Americans will do what they are historically prone to and that is back pedal or go back to not enforcing gun laws. Last time the ATF made any real effort at enforcing gun laws on the books was at Ruby Ridge and Waco . Multiply those fiascos by a few thousand and deal with the aftermath and see how long your gun confiscation goes on. I wouldnt call it a civil war but lets see how long the American public will put up with a heavily armed insurrection.

 

[onelastshot]

Can anyone hear list the number of Mass Shootings using assault rifles? zero, we know, how about assault weopons? Ill Start.
Aurora Colorado.
Sandy Hook (not according to the local police, according to everone else. As we know, the assault rifle that they showed was a shotgun, but not the place for conspiracy theories)

Got any others? im really trying to think?
littleton was a pistol
virginia tech was a pistol
jonesborough was a deer rifle.
fort hood was a pistol
marysville was a pistol
dc naval was a shotgun
santa Monica was a home made rifle and a black powder pistol
springfield oregon was a pistol and a 22lr rifle.

any one else wanna add in?

Yes the most recent shooting in Oregon; while the shooter was in possession of several firearms, including two rifles, the sheriffs department stated that the rifles were found in an adjacent room and not used in the shooting.