Let's have a candid conversation about GLOCKs.

[wvshooter]

All of the above reasons.

They have zero appeal for me. Ditto for M&P's and XD's. When there are so many nice looking guns that function just as well why carry something ugly.

 

[okespe04]

What?

Yeah Glocks are good guns, I have one. They are made of plastic, or at least partly, trigger pull is so so, I would trust my life with it. I also like my revolvers and 1911A1 too, I would trust my life with them as well. I will probably always have at least one glock around. Probably the Glock 19 I Have right now, I kinda went to town on the grip with a dremel to make it fit just right which probably did not help the resale/trade in value.....

 

[Marshall]

mustang_steve

My take on Glocks in a nutshell: reliable, quality, but I think "safe-action" is a horrible design and would gladly buy a Glock if it also came in DAO. I actually bought my SCCY after shooting a Glock26 and saying "I love this size firearm, but the trigger is not my cup of tea"

benzy2,

You wanna reconsider that part about a single trigger pull that FULLY cocks the weapon and fires it, EVEN in misfire situations, having no bearing on it being TRUE DAO. Mustang Steve would gladly buy one if it was DAO and not operate as SAO. He knows what's up.

I believe that is one of the large reasons DAO is argued so adamantly, in order to overcome the objection by many to buying SAO operated pistols for defensive purposes and carry. And I won't even get into the government contracts specifying DAO.

Sorry, I said that was my last post but I couldn't let this go. It was just sitting there begging to be posted about.

 

[killchain]

Honestly?

Because people who own Glocks won't shut up about them, and keep goading people into fighting with them about their Glock.

And when someone says GLOCK instead of Glock.

You don't see anyone else saying SIG SAUER, BERETTA, COLT, FABRIQUE NATIONALE, WALTHER, SMITH AND WESSON, etc.

 

[benzy2]

benzy2,

You wanna reconsider that part about a single trigger pull that FULLY cocks the weapon and fires it, EVEN in misfire situations, having no bearing on it being TRUE DAO. Mustang Steve would gladly buy one if it was DAO and not operate as SAO. He knows what's up.

I believe that is one of the large reasons DAO is argued so adamantly, in order to overcome the objection by many to buying SAO operated pistols for defensive purposes and carry. And I won't even get into the government contracts specifying DAO.

Sorry, I said that was my last post but I couldn't let this go. It was just sitting there begging to be posted about.

Well, I never said it fully cocks the striker, but that it cocks it to its full cock position(aka finishes cocking). Sure, the slide cocks the striker a bit. But it doesn't matter because the trigger operation is all that matters when classifying these. You keep going back to double strike capability. I won't disagree with the merits of double strike capability. But it has nothing to do with the classification of the actions of the trigger. I guess look at it this way. If the trigger only dropped the striker from the at rest position on a glock, the gun wouldn't fire as the striker wasn't cocked enough to light a primer. That means not SAO. Since the striker is cocked by the trigger motion (even if only the final amount) the trigger is performing 2 actions. By definition, that is DAO.

 

[mustang_steve]

The Glock system is not a true DAO, as the hammer is not at rest when it's got a round in the chamber, it's in a half-cock state.

Provided the advantage of this as far as leeway in designing the trigger travel and pull weight are huge, however some of us simply do not like the weird not-quite SA, not quite DA trigger pull.

It's the same reason I'm not a fan of the Sigma or XD, while the XD trigger is ages better, it still doesn't feel "right" to me. I know I can feel a 5-6lb trigger well (the sa release on my astra cub, and can even feel the 3lb sa release on my k22 revolver), but I really don't feel the trigger's resistance on the Glocks I've tried...it's just way too light IMO.

 

[GLOOB]

Can't feel the trigger? Which Glock was that? 8lb disconnector is only 5 dollars if you care.

The feel of the trigger is one of the things I like about Glock. I can feel exactly when it's about to break. It actually goes past a point of no return a hair before the sear releases. At first, this led me to a lot of pushed, low shots. But with practice, this makes for accurate shooting and really fast followups.

 

[PR-NJ]

No, not triple action, DOUBLE ACTION ONLY. The TRIGGER performs TWO ACTIONS. Double action or single action refers to what pulling the trigger accomplishes. Nothing more, nothing less. In the case of the Glock it cocks the striker to the full cock position and releases the sear.

It doesn't matter what the slide accomplishes.

It doesn't matter what the user does. If you count what the user does, then a single action revolver would be double action only as he cocks the hammer manually and then pulls the trigger to release the sear. But we don't call those handguns DAO. We call them SAO because the TRIGGER only performs one action, releasing the sear.

You keep going back to double strike capability. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter because we aren't talking about a second shot. If the system were used in a bolt rifle it would be classified the same way. It has nothing to do with follow up shots, just what actions the trigger perform in the firing of a round.

You want to talk about misfires. Fine, lets go there. What if you have a fail to feed and are dropping the firing pin/striker on an empty chamber? Does the Double strike capability make the pistol fire? No. Does not having double strike capability make the pistol fire? No. It doesn't matter, because this isn't what qualifies a pistol as being DAO, SAO, or SA/DA. What qualifies the pistol as DAO, SAO, or SA/DA is the operation of the trigger in the firing cycle. The trigger either releases the sear/striker only, cocks the hammer/striker and releases the sear/striker, or can do both. It has nothing more to do with anything else. To fire a Glock, a trigger pull will cock the striker to the full cock position and then release the firing pin. Maybe Pre-set DAO is a better term, but none the less, the trigger pull performs two actions making it DAO.

It only has to do with the functions the pulling of the trigger performs. That is what defines if a given pistol/trigger is SAO, DAO, or SA/DA. Don't make it more or less. It has nothing to do with anything more or less. If you study the design of the glock trigger system you will see that pulling the trigger will cock the striker to the fuller cocked position and then release the sear. Two actions making it DAO. Plain and simple.

Now this makes sense to someone who's not well-versed in the internal workings of the Glock.

 

[PR-NJ]

The Glock system is not a true DAO, as the hammer is not at rest when it's got a round in the chamber, it's in a half-cock state.

Provided the advantage of this as far as leeway in designing the trigger travel and pull weight are huge, however some of us simply do not like the weird not-quite SA, not quite DA trigger pull.

It's the same reason I'm not a fan of the Sigma or XD, while the XD trigger is ages better, it still doesn't feel "right" to me. I know I can feel a 5-6lb trigger well (the sa release on my astra cub, and can even feel the 3lb sa release on my k22 revolver), but I really don't feel the trigger's resistance on the Glocks I've tried...it's just way too light IMO.

OK. This makes sense, too!

 

[PabloJ]

They are far too expensive in relation to costs encountered in their manufacture. Other then that I have nothing against them.

 

[GLOOB]

Because people who own Glocks won't shut up about them, and keep goading people into fighting with them about their Glock.

This is not true. People are just biased for what they know and like. It's not that Glock owners won't shut up about them. It's that there are more of them. Even after one shuts up, the next happy Glock owner will be along in about 30 seconds.

 

[Glocked N Loaded]

Well, 30 seconds is up.

I have owned a Gen 3 19C, which did the slide hangup thing that they seem to be notorious for, didn't trust it even though it never failed to fire and/or cycle the action.

Just bought a Gen 4 19, had a FTF on the third round through the gun
Scary at first, but have since cleaned/lubed and have had 450 flawless rounds.

One would think that after my previous experiences I would be hesitant in jumping into another glock. Am currently looking for a 27.

This affliction that I, and many people like me, have acquired is hard to explain.

 

[DaFadda Mike]

I have a G19 (Gen 1) and a 21SF. Carried the 19 for YEARS. Like above, no rust, no bust, don't collect dust. Now I take them out when I'm teaching, but.... (and I can hear the arrows whizzing by)... I've always been far more comfortable knowing that I have a 1911 with me. The daily carry has become a Springfield Loaded-Micro-Compact 1911.

 

[daorhgih]

GOOD GUN?? Good enough!!

7,000,000 Glocksters can't ALL be wrong!! "Nothing said in this comment should be construed as bashing Mr. Jno. Browning, nor his invention, nor its clones, nor their owners."

 

[daorhgih]

PabloJ : " They are far too expensive "

PabloJ. Posts: 2. "They are far too expensive." With a member date of two days ago, you need to be brought up to date of the fact that CITATIONS are needed for posts such as your "too expensive" post, or else you have simply made an imprudent comment, opinion, and snipe. Thanks. Welcome.

 

[Steelshooter101]

Glocks are good only for people they fit. Nothing wrong with them but I cannot shoot them very well. like the XDM's and CZ75's better.

 

[wh!plash]

7,000,000 Glocksters can't ALL be wrong!!

Not all 7m Glocks in circulation are each owned by a rabid fan with tunnel vision either.

I own a 3rd-gen G19. Reliable sure, but then again so are many others that I have. And most of those others shoot far better.

 

[racine]

Glock Pro here.

I've never liked the looks of the Glock, kinda like saying I'd learned to tolerate driving the Volvo 240 series cars for 17 years. They worked, all the time. I even got my last one flooded to the above the rearview mirrors and 5 days later I was driving it again-for another 7 years! That Glock runs and runs and if you can get past it's spartan looks it is just reliable. My only complaint are the magazines. Yes, they're reliable also but they just don't drop free like metal mags do. That's it. I'm working on over 100K rounds on my last G35. I'm hoping it'll do 500K.

 

[SonofGilnockie89]

I planned to buy a G23 for my first handgun, I liked the .40 and the design was very simple. However I have always found that the Glock grips are too fat for my small hands....feels a bit like a bar of soap. I also determined that they were simply too wide to easily conceal on my smallish frame. Other than that I had no complaints whatsoever except that I feel they are a bit over priced for what they are. They seem to be the AK of pistols in a number of ways both good and not so good. Happy shooting.

 

[Ben86]

However I have always found that the Glock grips are too fat for my small hands....feels a bit like a bar of soap.

You might want to check out the Gen 4 glocks, the frame has been a little skinnier.

 

[ForumSurfer]

The glock shoots great and is just as accurate as my favorite, a 1911. They are very easy to learn and shoot well with.

That being said, migrating from a 1911 was horrible for me. I pushed the trigger to the low and left when shooting and was all over (sometimes off) the paper. I compensated by thinking my weak hand was too weak or my strong hand was too strong and made matters worse. The big "u" messed with me badly and distracted my front sight picture, causing me to inadvertently focus on it and make matters worse still. I dry fired it several hundred times and finally addressed my trigger issue after I discovered my issue. Painting the rear "u" with a sharpie helped, but replacing the sights helped even more. I finally had to quit shooting my 1911's or revolvers until shooting with the glock became second nature (took more than 1k rounds for me).

It just seems to me that shooting a 1911 is easier to pick up, despite having a sefty to worry about. When I picked up a glock and shot it (seriously shooting it, not just trying someone's glock at the range), it took much work and practice and $$$$. It even took the fun out of shooting for awhile, honestly. But now that I'm almost as good with it as I am with my 1911's...I almost hate to get rid of it.

Oh, and while we're at it...an xd was much easier for me to transition to. Whenever I test drove an XD, I could draw and fire it just as well as my 1911, maybe even better. I don't know what the difference is, but I just shot it better. The grip angle didn't seem all that different (with a 19/23), so I'm not blaming the Glock grip angle anymore. The trigger was my biggest issue. I corrected it, then added a smooth faced trigger and a lighter spring (trigger pull is still over 4lbs) and improved that much more.

So why did I buy the Glock? Simple, I wanted one. I also figured with all the Glock love/bashing threads...it had to be a pretty great weapon if so many people loved and so many people hated it. Turned out that way with my Kimber. For every person that praises it, there's another person that bashes it. But it's given me 3500+ trouble free rounds thanks to wilson combat mags and wolf recoil spring changes on a regular basis.

Long and short...Glocks are great to learn on. Transitioning from a glock to another platform isn't hard from what I've noticed. Switching from a 1911 to a Glock? For me it was almost impossible and took a lot of hard work, asking questions and practice (and more practice, and more practice, and more practice). Now I have a buddy who shot all big bore, and strictly big bore handguns before. He became a deputy and had to learn to shoot a g17, and we shot a lot together. He picked it up with very little trouble...trigger reset being his biggest issue as he wanted to let the trigger all the way back out.

It boils down to this, most major manufacturers produce fine firearms capable of 10's of thousands of rounds with minimal maintenance. The shooter however, takes huge amounts of maintenance and an open mind to be able to shoot the weapon properly.

Shoot what you want, and learn to shoot it well. Just don't bash anyone else choice or preference cause we all enjoy the right to keep and bear arms.

 

[ForumSurfer]

However I have always found that the Glock grips are too fat for my small hands....feels a bit like a bar of soap.

I can't argue that, it's true for me.

You might want to check out the Gen 4 glocks, the frame has been a little skinnier.

Can't argue that easier because it seemed true to me, despite measuring the dang things.

I owned a trouble free, gen 4 g17 and I regret selling it. It felt better in my hands than my gen3 g19. I thought I would adjust to the 19 and that the difference was just in my head. The difference is felt in hand for me, and the 19 is not that much easier to carry IWB on a good belt.

 

[herkyguy]

Glocks are good guns. My first purchase was a Glock 23 and I have since put 2500+ rounds through it. I've had a stovepipe or two and a few failures to feed. Each time it was an easily recognizable failure and I corrected it in seconds. I've replaced the recoil spring after a series of failures to feed and this has corrected the problem so far. What I mean by all of this is that the Glock is a relatively simple gun to operate and understand. While it has it flaws and may not be the smoothest shooter, it consistently shoots accurately and reliably. Glocks have really fought a tough battle to be accepted in the higher echelons of the shooting world (meaning not just stupid gangsta thug types) but I do believe they'll be around for a long long time. And I have no plans of getting rid of mine.

 

[DenaliPark]

Honestly?

Because people who own Glocks won't shut up about them, and keep goading people into fighting with them about their Glock.

And when someone says GLOCK instead of Glock.

You don't see anyone else saying SIG SAUER, BERETTA, COLT, FABRIQUE NATIONALE, WALTHER, SMITH AND WESSON, etc.

Nonsense, you get that all the time from the "double digit fringe" ownership, of any particular firearm, designed around the concept and necessity of self-defense. Many Glock owners(myself included)own multiple pistols from multiple manufacturers, most of those offerings are just fine, only a fool would say otherwise, however you're always going to hear from the adolescents, and adolescent-minded, piping in with the testosterone laced invective.....

 

[ForumSurfer]

Glocks have really fought a tough battle to be accepted in the higher echelons of the shooting world

I honestly think that's because "the upper echelon" was shooting 1911's when glocks came out. The steep transitioning curve (for some) probably had something to do with it. In my younger years, I wouldn't have had the patience to learn to shoot the glock like I did recently if I had bought one when they were first released...I would have just given up, sold it, called it trash (or the latest new passing fad) because I was too impatient to commit and learn and moved on.