CoRoMo
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Don't mind me, I'm just adding a page here. 
Still don't own a Glock. Would like to, but... eh.
Still don't own a Glock. Would like to, but... eh.
Let's have a candid conversation about GLOCKs.
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JohnBT
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"Glocks are good platforms to customize and can be made to fit every need in every way. "
I want a customized Glock with an engraved and nickel plated frame and slide. Oh yeah.
They are surely some sensitive, touchy, defensive Glock lovers out there.
My 9mm progression has been from CZ-75B, to BHP to Sig X-5. And I don't even like the snappy 'lil 9mm, I prefer to shoot .45 because it's big and slow like me.
I want a customized Glock with an engraved and nickel plated frame and slide. Oh yeah.
They are surely some sensitive, touchy, defensive Glock lovers out there.
My 9mm progression has been from CZ-75B, to BHP to Sig X-5. And I don't even like the snappy 'lil 9mm, I prefer to shoot .45 because it's big and slow like me.
I appreciate Glocks for what they are, simple and reliable handguns. I have a G21 and a G26, and I've kept them both because they've had very, very few failures and I'm more accurate shooting them than anything else.
Is that the case for everyone else? Or course not. Are Glocks as elegant, design wise, as a 1911 or BHP, hell no.
Is that the case for everyone else? Or course not. Are Glocks as elegant, design wise, as a 1911 or BHP, hell no.
DawgFvr
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I used to be neutral...then I bought a G26 and it has become my CCW of choice. What can I say? It is reliable, concealable and I shoot it well.
IWB MTAC is oh-so-comfortable.
Longer slide vs short grip works extremely well in a Rusty Sherrick High Ride too:
IWB MTAC is oh-so-comfortable.
Longer slide vs short grip works extremely well in a Rusty Sherrick High Ride too:
Do you agree that two actions, and only two actions, occur to the striker when the trigger is pulled? I guess I don't see how it could be any technically more correct. It cocks the striker (though only finishes cocking it) and it releases the sear. Two actions, and only two action, hence double action only. It can't be fired without cocking the striker during the trigger pull. DAO. I get the point that it isn't like other DOA type pistols with double strike capability, but it still clearly performs the action of cocking(at least the final cocking) and dropping the sear. Three categories to pick from, Single action only (only the release of the sear), SA/DA (can be set to only drop the sear, or can cock the hammer/striker and drop the sear), or DAO (always cocks the the hammer/striker and releases the sear). To me, its clearly DAO. Not double strike capable DAO, but DAO none the less.
230therapy
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The good:
Ready to go out of the box
Lightweight
Reliable
No sharp edges
Maintenance is easy
Parts are low cost and available
Accurate enough for most shooting activities
Very short trigger reset
3.5# connector from Glock makes for a very smooth 5 pound trigger
High capacity
The bad:
Fantastic plastic!
Magazine prices have increased dramatically
Some people think they are ugly
Glock STILL cannot figure out 45 ACP
Some people dislike the grips
No grip panels to change (though new versions can change the grip)
Cheesy plastic sights on most models
It's not a 1911
Rifling in barrel is not conductive to lead bullets
Guns firing higher pressure rounds seem to have a slightly higher rate of failure
It's really a design for 9x19mm (if you don't like 9x19mm)
I want an 8 shot single stack Glock chambered in 45 ACP in a Glock 19 package!!! DANGIT.
All that said, I choose Glock over other guns because of how it shoots. My hands don't bleed after two days of training. I can do all the maintenance on the gun without a gunsmith and with only a few low cost parts. While I do have a 21 that sits in the safe, I generally use only their 9x19mm models.
I still like my 1911 and my other guns.
Ready to go out of the box
Lightweight
Reliable
No sharp edges
Maintenance is easy
Parts are low cost and available
Accurate enough for most shooting activities
Very short trigger reset
3.5# connector from Glock makes for a very smooth 5 pound trigger
High capacity
The bad:
Fantastic plastic!
Magazine prices have increased dramatically
Some people think they are ugly
Glock STILL cannot figure out 45 ACP
Some people dislike the grips
No grip panels to change (though new versions can change the grip)
Cheesy plastic sights on most models
It's not a 1911
Rifling in barrel is not conductive to lead bullets
Guns firing higher pressure rounds seem to have a slightly higher rate of failure
It's really a design for 9x19mm (if you don't like 9x19mm)
I want an 8 shot single stack Glock chambered in 45 ACP in a Glock 19 package!!! DANGIT.
All that said, I choose Glock over other guns because of how it shoots. My hands don't bleed after two days of training. I can do all the maintenance on the gun without a gunsmith and with only a few low cost parts. While I do have a 21 that sits in the safe, I generally use only their 9x19mm models.
I still like my 1911 and my other guns.
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Skip_a_roo
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Used to be anti-Glock now...............
I'm Glock positive!
Our youngest son got a job right out of high school as a Corrections Officer with the local County Sheriff's office. I was one of those folks that "didn't want a toy gun" or "any piece of plastic" to protect my life. That was until son #2 came home and said he had shot one of the county's Glocks and I just had to shoot one!
Now, I had spent a lot of time indoctrinating this kid to my way of thinking and how dare he come home with such a challenge!
Well, our local range had a rental gun, a Glock 22, 40S&W, so I asked to shoot it once and fell in love! (Well, kinda, strong like, maybe!)
Since then I have bought several. One was the new RTF version Glock 22. That thing would stay in your hand no matter how sweaty it got! Not in mine though. I left it at my daughter and son in law's the last time we were there. Now he carries it everywhere!
Then, just the other day I was at our local outdoor gun club range. I heard an oversized fellow telling this slender little woman all about the gun she "ought to buy". "You should get a Taurus like mine." Only he went on to tell how his had been back to the factory several times. The M85 he had needed to be played with to get the thing to work after you closed the cylinder! What did she need something like that for. And then came the coups de gra. "You don't want one of them plastic guns, not like those Glocks, I hate them."
I listened to it about as long as I could. I picked up my Smith and Wesson revolvers, let her shoot the M14 with a 6" barrel just for laughs and headed to the truck. As I was putting my stuff in, I thought about how I was won over, simply shooting one. I reached in the glove box for my truck gun, a Glock 26 and headed back to the range.
Of course, the pontificate was still going on about Glocks and yada, yada, yada, until I pulled it out of the small of my back. I carefully held it downrange and unloaded it and asked if he had any ammo she could shoot out of it. After all, she would probably turn her nose up at it seeing he had given her such good advice!
He gave her 5 rounds and she shot it. I asked her if she liked it and she said YES, that is just what I am looking for!
After a few more words were exchanged and Mr. Expert was sufficiently quieted, I gave her some pointers and my name to throw around at the local gun store, and left. As I was closing the gate and locking it, I turned to wave and found her looking after me. All I could think was, gotcha!
If you ever shoot one and know how to shoot, you will be hooked too.
Sure they are ugly. I never knew anyone that was looking at the business end of one notice that though! Carry it concealed and no one will know you carry an ugly gun! The thing about it, when you do need to use it, it will work, period.
FWIW
Tactical Tupperware!
I'm Glock positive!
Our youngest son got a job right out of high school as a Corrections Officer with the local County Sheriff's office. I was one of those folks that "didn't want a toy gun" or "any piece of plastic" to protect my life. That was until son #2 came home and said he had shot one of the county's Glocks and I just had to shoot one!
Now, I had spent a lot of time indoctrinating this kid to my way of thinking and how dare he come home with such a challenge!
Well, our local range had a rental gun, a Glock 22, 40S&W, so I asked to shoot it once and fell in love! (Well, kinda, strong like, maybe!)
Since then I have bought several. One was the new RTF version Glock 22. That thing would stay in your hand no matter how sweaty it got! Not in mine though. I left it at my daughter and son in law's the last time we were there. Now he carries it everywhere!
Then, just the other day I was at our local outdoor gun club range. I heard an oversized fellow telling this slender little woman all about the gun she "ought to buy". "You should get a Taurus like mine." Only he went on to tell how his had been back to the factory several times. The M85 he had needed to be played with to get the thing to work after you closed the cylinder! What did she need something like that for. And then came the coups de gra. "You don't want one of them plastic guns, not like those Glocks, I hate them."
I listened to it about as long as I could. I picked up my Smith and Wesson revolvers, let her shoot the M14 with a 6" barrel just for laughs and headed to the truck. As I was putting my stuff in, I thought about how I was won over, simply shooting one. I reached in the glove box for my truck gun, a Glock 26 and headed back to the range.
Of course, the pontificate was still going on about Glocks and yada, yada, yada, until I pulled it out of the small of my back. I carefully held it downrange and unloaded it and asked if he had any ammo she could shoot out of it. After all, she would probably turn her nose up at it seeing he had given her such good advice!
He gave her 5 rounds and she shot it. I asked her if she liked it and she said YES, that is just what I am looking for!
After a few more words were exchanged and Mr. Expert was sufficiently quieted, I gave her some pointers and my name to throw around at the local gun store, and left. As I was closing the gate and locking it, I turned to wave and found her looking after me. All I could think was, gotcha!
If you ever shoot one and know how to shoot, you will be hooked too.
Sure they are ugly. I never knew anyone that was looking at the business end of one notice that though!
Carry it concealed and no one will know you carry an ugly gun! The thing about it, when you do need to use it, it will work, period.FWIW
Tactical Tupperware!
Skip_a_roo said:
I've shot a bunch, I definitely know how to shoot but I'm not hooked. Glocks simply don't feel as good in my hand as a SIG or a 1911 ... there, I said it. Eventually I'll get around to buying a 27 or two, but I'm in no hurry. There are too many other firearms that I REALLY want to buy first.
This has been a very interesting thread though.
ScratchnDent
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99.95% of my pistol shooting is with lead bullets. If Glock offered a conventionally rifled barrel as a factory option, I might consider one. Until then, there are plenty of other handguns that meet my needs.
Glockdaddy
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I came back.....
First off, this is the most civil thread I have ever read on the "Glock Debate"
Well done members of THR!
I have had several Glocks, 26, 19, 36 and traded them all. I appreciated all of the features mentioned by so many of you....but I lived with the same challenges of the grip angle as well as the sights. Tried lots of different sights and just couldn't get as consistent a sight picture...nor accuracy results..as with a 1911.
Recently I decided to get a full size 9mm for a range gun. Have had quite a few different full size 9's but a friend offered me a ridiculous deal on his G34 and I took it. I find the full size 17-34 platform more comfortable to shoot and the grip angle is actually easier to adjust to in the larger frame. It is smooth and accurate.....and I realize the biggest problem with the sights on all of my hand guns was my 55year old eyes...:banghead:
So.....I added a JPoint to the G34 and it is like an entirely new weapon for me.
The Glock has its place......and it fits there well. But thankfully there are plenty of alternatives for those who don't like the Glock feel. For fun go to GlockTalk and look at the threads of those who have multiple Glocks....of the same model!!
First off, this is the most civil thread I have ever read on the "Glock Debate"
Well done members of THR!
I have had several Glocks, 26, 19, 36 and traded them all. I appreciated all of the features mentioned by so many of you....but I lived with the same challenges of the grip angle as well as the sights. Tried lots of different sights and just couldn't get as consistent a sight picture...nor accuracy results..as with a 1911.
Recently I decided to get a full size 9mm for a range gun. Have had quite a few different full size 9's but a friend offered me a ridiculous deal on his G34 and I took it. I find the full size 17-34 platform more comfortable to shoot and the grip angle is actually easier to adjust to in the larger frame. It is smooth and accurate.....and I realize the biggest problem with the sights on all of my hand guns was my 55year old eyes...:banghead:
So.....I added a JPoint to the G34 and it is like an entirely new weapon for me.
The Glock has its place......and it fits there well. But thankfully there are plenty of alternatives for those who don't like the Glock feel. For fun go to GlockTalk and look at the threads of those who have multiple Glocks....of the same model!!
ET
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I like Glocks and carry a Glock 27 every day. I like them because they are 100% reliable and I trust my life to them every day. My 21sf is also 100% and I use it for HD. I keep it in my nightstand for that reason.
That being said, when my next door neighbor goes shooting with me he likes shooting my Taurus pt111 mil pro or my SW40VE better than the Glocks because he says that he shoots them better and they are more comfortable for him to grip. I find just the opposite. To each their own. I just don't see why some people feel they have to bash a gun just because they don't care for it. I've been defending my Judge on several sites. It seems that many posters hate this gun & most of them have never fired one...go figure.
That being said, when my next door neighbor goes shooting with me he likes shooting my Taurus pt111 mil pro or my SW40VE better than the Glocks because he says that he shoots them better and they are more comfortable for him to grip. I find just the opposite. To each their own. I just don't see why some people feel they have to bash a gun just because they don't care for it. I've been defending my Judge on several sites. It seems that many posters hate this gun & most of them have never fired one...go figure.
Marshall
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Are you suggesting it's Triple Action? 1) Slide racking in order to 1/2 cock, this has to be done and counted. Trigger pulling to 2) finish cocking and 3) releasing the sear. If we are counting actions for determination of definition, we have to include that first one. Triple Action.
Now if we're counting USER actions after a round is fired, we... 1) pull the trigger, Boom. One action by the user, a trigger pull. Single Action Only because there is no other way to fire the weapon.
And again, if we go back to a misfire, that trigger is dead. Without that third (first) internal action of pre-cocking, half cocking, pre-setting or whatever you want to call it, that Not-So-DAO gun is going to do nothing without assistance from the user. After that assistance is performed, the user simply makes a single action of pulling the trigger to fire the gun. Just like any other SF SAO firearm.
Not-So-DAO
Triple Action
Single Action Only and 1/2
Assisted DAO
SF SAO (The one I think most realistically describes it as it functions to the user. Rack, pull = Boom)
Well, I don't want to beat a dead horse too much so I'll let this be my last post on the matter of Glocks action label. Good discussion you guys, thanks for the informative comments and interesting information. And if a Glock fit my hand better I would own one, good guns, no doubt! A 19 or 26 still may be in the cards. Maybe.
kulprit
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How would you compare the 26 and 36 from a concelability standpoint? I've found the 27 to be too fat for CC and I'm hoping the single stack 36 will be easier to conceal - true or false?First off, this is the most civil thread I have ever read on the "Glock Debate"
Well done members of THR!
I have had several Glocks, 26, 19, 36 and traded them all. I appreciated all of the features mentioned by so many of you....but I lived with the same challenges of the grip angle as well as the sights. Tried lots of different sights and just couldn't get as consistent a sight picture...nor accuracy results..as with a 1911.
Recently I decided to get a full size 9mm for a range gun. Have had quite a few different full size 9's but a friend offered me a ridiculous deal on his G34 and I took it. I find the full size 17-34 platform more comfortable to shoot and the grip angle is actually easier to adjust to in the larger frame. It is smooth and accurate.....and I realize the biggest problem with the sights on all of my hand guns was my 55year old eyes...:banghead:
So.....I added a JPoint to the G34 and it is like an entirely new weapon for me.
The Glock has its place......and it fits there well. But thankfully there are plenty of alternatives for those who don't like the Glock feel. For fun go to GlockTalk and look at the threads of those who have multiple Glocks....of the same model!!
DawgFvr
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The 36 is only slightly thinner than the 26. Honestly, both are a snap to conceal in a MTAC holster.
With the 26, I almost forget I'm carrying with 10 + 1 capability. I am small stature: 5' 8" at 170lb.
I have to laugh at so many calling weapons ugly or good looking...really?
I also get a chuckle out of the "grip" gang. Know and apply the basic fundamentals and all weapons do their job. I don't care if it is a revolver, rilfe, shotty, or auto...I mould myself to the weapon for positive affect...not the opposite.
With the 26, I almost forget I'm carrying with 10 + 1 capability. I am small stature: 5' 8" at 170lb.
I have to laugh at so many calling weapons ugly or good looking...really?
I also get a chuckle out of the "grip" gang. Know and apply the basic fundamentals and all weapons do their job. I don't care if it is a revolver, rilfe, shotty, or auto...I mould myself to the weapon for positive affect...not the opposite.
Kymasabe
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Easy. Glocks, they suck. Conversation over. Now, lets have cake ! 
Stopping back in to ammend my earlier post. I wish I could like Glocks, I've tried, I just can't. Personally, I think they're ugly. I could get past that IF they fit my hand, they just don't. They feel wrong, they don't point naturally for me.
Are they the most popular handgun in the world? Probably.
Awesome aftermarket support - check.
Reliable as all hell? Well, almost as reliable as a SIG !
Stopping back in to ammend my earlier post. I wish I could like Glocks, I've tried, I just can't. Personally, I think they're ugly. I could get past that IF they fit my hand, they just don't. They feel wrong, they don't point naturally for me.
Are they the most popular handgun in the world? Probably.
Awesome aftermarket support - check.
Reliable as all hell? Well, almost as reliable as a SIG !
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mustang_steve
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My take on Glocks in a nutshell: reliable, quality, but I think "safe-action" is a horrible design and would gladly buy a Glock if it also came in DAO. I actually bought my SCCY after shooting a Glock26 and saying "I love this size firearm, but the trigger is not my cup of tea"
Glock26 vs my SCCY:
accuracy: I group better initially with the SCCY, as the ergonomics fit me better, the glock consistently fired down and to the right....however the lighter weight of the sccy made the final shots out of a 50rd session fly everywhere as my hand was now bleeding from safety bite (correctable through technique).
quality: They are a tie for fit/finish honestly. Quality over time is part of durability.
Durability: The Glock wins out here....part of a cheap handgun is compromise somewhere, in the case of my sccy, it's short recoil spring life and the like. It'll save your hide, but maintenance is higher.
Ergonomics: The Glock is harder to point, but more comfortable to shoot as it has no hard edges that dig into your hand. The sccy on the other hand, has hard edges that will dig into meatier hands and using less than ideal firing techniques.
Recoil: Glock wins hands out, the sccy recoils very aggresively....I know a few magnum shooters that refuse to touch my pistol anymore due to it's very fast and aggresive nature to it's recoil.
Concealment: sccy wins hands down, softer edges and thinner body make it far more concealable.
Safety: Both guns are equally safe in a pocket, provided nothing gets into the triggerguard of the Glock, as it has a far lighter trigger pull. The takedown requiring a triggerpull was the deal-breaker for me. To me a trigger should have ONE function, to fire the weapon, not as a takedown mechanism.
That's my whole nine yards on Glocks, compared to what I bought in place of it.
Glock26 vs my SCCY:
accuracy: I group better initially with the SCCY, as the ergonomics fit me better, the glock consistently fired down and to the right....however the lighter weight of the sccy made the final shots out of a 50rd session fly everywhere as my hand was now bleeding from safety bite (correctable through technique).
quality: They are a tie for fit/finish honestly. Quality over time is part of durability.
Durability: The Glock wins out here....part of a cheap handgun is compromise somewhere, in the case of my sccy, it's short recoil spring life and the like. It'll save your hide, but maintenance is higher.
Ergonomics: The Glock is harder to point, but more comfortable to shoot as it has no hard edges that dig into your hand. The sccy on the other hand, has hard edges that will dig into meatier hands and using less than ideal firing techniques.
Recoil: Glock wins hands out, the sccy recoils very aggresively....I know a few magnum shooters that refuse to touch my pistol anymore due to it's very fast and aggresive nature to it's recoil.
Concealment: sccy wins hands down, softer edges and thinner body make it far more concealable.
Safety: Both guns are equally safe in a pocket, provided nothing gets into the triggerguard of the Glock, as it has a far lighter trigger pull. The takedown requiring a triggerpull was the deal-breaker for me. To me a trigger should have ONE function, to fire the weapon, not as a takedown mechanism.
That's my whole nine yards on Glocks, compared to what I bought in place of it.
So, GLOCK decided to call it ....
(Drum-roll, please) SAFE ACTION ! ! ! ! ! !
MUSTANG STEVE, your "PROBLEM": "the glock consistently fired down and to the right" is merely the result of your "PULLING" the trigger instead of squeezing it. Practice, practice practice.
(Drum-roll, please) SAFE ACTION ! ! ! ! ! !
MUSTANG STEVE, your "PROBLEM": "the glock consistently fired down and to the right" is merely the result of your "PULLING" the trigger instead of squeezing it. Practice, practice practice.
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Old Scratch
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Glocks are great. Like anything else, however, only within reasonable limits. You must have read recent articles about .40 cal and .45 cal Glocks going kaboom on the range. Think about it...the .40 was deleloped by boring the 9mm out to .40, and the .45 was developed by boring the larger 10mm out to .45. I have not seen reports of either the 9's or 10's blowing up.
The Glock chamber is square, which means it is much thinner on the sides than at the corners...this equals weaker. Making any chamber too thin can make it dangerous.
Also, the chamber is unramped, which means that more or less of the case is unsupported. This is another possible source of mischief.
I think my Glock 19 is great. Great handling, comfortable, wouldn't rust if it were dumped into the Pacific...but I would never try to turn it into a super-pressure hog. Too many guys have done so with torqued-up 38 Super 1911's and ended up with injuries sadly referred to as "super-face."
Here's a badly hackneyed old chestnut for the record: Want a magnum? Buy a magnum.
The Glock chamber is square, which means it is much thinner on the sides than at the corners...this equals weaker. Making any chamber too thin can make it dangerous.
Also, the chamber is unramped, which means that more or less of the case is unsupported. This is another possible source of mischief.
I think my Glock 19 is great. Great handling, comfortable, wouldn't rust if it were dumped into the Pacific...but I would never try to turn it into a super-pressure hog. Too many guys have done so with torqued-up 38 Super 1911's and ended up with injuries sadly referred to as "super-face."
Here's a badly hackneyed old chestnut for the record: Want a magnum? Buy a magnum.
420Stainless
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I don't like the way they look and mostly load with lead bullets.
I have been tempted lately because I like the idea of the cool aftermarket rear-sight laser for them. Although I see that it is now available for XD's and M&P's now too.
I have been tempted lately because I like the idea of the cool aftermarket rear-sight laser for them. Although I see that it is now available for XD's and M&P's now too.
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LiveLife
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I too, am a Glock convert. I started out with 1911/Sig226/CZ75 and I hated Glocks when they came out. I recall handling my first Glock 17 and said, "Who the heck in their right mind would make a pistol out of plastic!?."
We had the same debate for years at matches and we decided to do comparison shoots. At the next range sessions, we brought our various pistols and setup the usual USPSA stages.
Even though I was well versed with my Sig226, I could not believe my eyes when I got faster stage times with the Glock 17 I was not familiar with! Just to make sure, I ran the stage two more times. Same results - faster time than my Sig226 shooting nice tight double-taps. I was shocked and wasn't the only one. Many "metal pistol" fans also got faster stage times with the Glock 17. How could this "cheap" plastic pistol out shoot my German Sig226! Oh no! 
It wasn't long before I was competing with the Glock 17 and eventually bought two Glock 22's for match shooting.
Instead of tossing subjective opinions, if you can, do a comparison shoot and let your shot groups and stage times be the judge.
Peace.
We had the same debate for years at matches and we decided to do comparison shoots. At the next range sessions, we brought our various pistols and setup the usual USPSA stages.
Even though I was well versed with my Sig226, I could not believe my eyes when I got faster stage times with the Glock 17 I was not familiar with!
Just to make sure, I ran the stage two more times. Same results - faster time than my Sig226 shooting nice tight double-taps. I was shocked and wasn't the only one. Many "metal pistol" fans also got faster stage times with the Glock 17. How could this "cheap" plastic pistol out shoot my German Sig226! Oh no! It wasn't long before I was competing with the Glock 17 and eventually bought two Glock 22's for match shooting.
Instead of tossing subjective opinions, if you can, do a comparison shoot and let your shot groups and stage times be the judge.
Peace.
LiveLife
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Shot groups and stage times would be "objective" which are measurable and observable, especially if they were repeatable - I almost cried when I was done with three stage runs. "How could this be true!"
mustang_steve
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daorhgih, it wasn't a matter of form as it was something else, The Glock with a 30% lighter trigger pull was giving consistant off-groups....typically a higher trigger pull gives a less accurate result, not a more accurate one. I actually had problems feeling the trigger at all.
Perhaps if the pull was increased I'd like it better.
Perhaps if the pull was increased I'd like it better.
No, not triple action, DOUBLE ACTION ONLY. The TRIGGER performs TWO ACTIONS. Double action or single action refers to what pulling the trigger accomplishes. Nothing more, nothing less. In the case of the Glock it cocks the striker to the full cock position and releases the sear.
It doesn't matter what the slide accomplishes.
It doesn't matter what the user does. If you count what the user does, then a single action revolver would be double action only as he cocks the hammer manually and then pulls the trigger to release the sear. But we don't call those handguns DAO. We call them SAO because the TRIGGER only performs one action, releasing the sear.
You keep going back to double strike capability. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter because we aren't talking about a second shot. If the system were used in a bolt rifle it would be classified the same way. It has nothing to do with follow up shots, just what actions the trigger perform in the firing of a round.
You want to talk about misfires. Fine, lets go there. What if you have a fail to feed and are dropping the firing pin/striker on an empty chamber? Does the Double strike capability make the pistol fire? No. Does not having double strike capability make the pistol fire? No. It doesn't matter, because this isn't what qualifies a pistol as being DAO, SAO, or SA/DA. What qualifies the pistol as DAO, SAO, or SA/DA is the operation of the trigger in the firing cycle. The trigger either releases the sear/striker only, cocks the hammer/striker and releases the sear/striker, or can do both. It has nothing more to do with anything else. To fire a Glock, a trigger pull will cock the striker to the full cock position and then release the firing pin. Maybe Pre-set DAO is a better term, but none the less, the trigger pull performs two actions making it DAO.
It only has to do with the functions the pulling of the trigger performs. That is what defines if a given pistol/trigger is SAO, DAO, or SA/DA. Don't make it more or less. It has nothing to do with anything more or less. If you study the design of the glock trigger system you will see that pulling the trigger will cock the striker to the fuller cocked position and then release the sear. Two actions making it DAO. Plain and simple.
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