Libby: Bush authorized the Plame leak

[Beren]

Maybe I'm officially a moonbat myself, but I've called my Congressman to state:

This needs to be investigated. If true, Bush and Cheney should be brought up on articles of impeachment.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/04/06/libby.ap/

I'm very disappointed. Bush went on national TV how many times, saying whoever leaked the information should be fired?

 

[Beren]

Yup, looks like I am a moonbat who doesn't read the complete story.

Libby alleges Bush authorized the leaking of info from the NIE on Iraq, not Plame's identity.

 

[Delmar]

Beren-I think its time to go out to the range and warm up on your firearms, eh?

Its okay. Thanks for what you do.

 

[Thin Black Line]

Reminds me of:

Jdg 21:25 In those days there was no king in Israel: every man did that which was right in his own eyes.

Or, for those educated by South Park:

Whatever! Whatever! I do what I want!

But, I wonder if Libby actually has some kind of "proof"? The timing could
make the elections rather interesting....

 

[ArmedBear]

It's been pretty well established that "Plame's identity" was common knowledge among those few people who would give a rat's ass about Valerie Plame. Libby was indicted for lying to investigators, not for doing anything wrong to start with.

The whole case is a load of crap.

Can anyone honestly believe that, with all the BS that transpires in DC, they can't pin something REAL on anyone?

I don't know much about Scooter Libby, but even if the guy is the most corrupt man alive, THIS case isn't worth the paper it's scribbled on.

 

[cosine]

Can anyone honestly believe that, with all the BS that transpires in DC, they can't pin something REAL on anyone?

The point is, if they did pin something real on someone up there in DC, in order to be consistant they would have pin something real on everyone in DC. There would be no one left on Capitol hill. They don't want that to happen, do they?

 

[bakert]

I may be wrong but I think this whole mess revolves around a certain prosecutor trying to make a name for himself with urgings from a lot of liberal politicos!!

 

[ball3006]

You gotta remember....

the news media, dimocrats and Liddy have an axe to grind........To those three, an alligation is as good as a conviction.......chris3

 

[thereisnospoon]

Read the ENTIRE story, please

This exerpt from the 3RD paragraph...

There was no indication in the filing that either Bush or Cheney authorized Libby to disclose Valerie Plame's CIA identity.

I voted for Bush twice and think he's doing a terrible job at managing things at home, so don't count me among the kool-aid drinkers.

However, if you're going to attack, get the facts right first!

 

[ArmedBear]

The headline reminds me of the Simpson's episode where the saleswoman knocks on the door and says, "Marge Simpson? Your baby is DEAD!"

When they let her in, she says, "That's what you would hear if..." and launches into a sales pitch.

 

[Beren]

However, if you're going to attack, get the facts right first!

You might follow your own advice and read the second post of this thread.

 

[Helmetcase]

I may be wrong but I think this whole mess revolves around a certain prosecutor trying to make a name for himself with urgings from a lot of liberal politicos!!

Yup, you're wrong. Fitzgerald is a Republican.

Thanks for playing!

And I thought the Republicans were the party of NatSec...since when is playing political football with a CIA operative's work part and parcel of NatSec? Ooops.

 

[the Juggernaut]

The thing that scares me the most about all these scandals in the Republican party is that this could cause a shift where the Democrats control both the Executive and Congress. I would not be surprised to see them push through major gun banning legislation. I am not in either party, but I firmly believe that the best mix is to have one party in the executive and one party control Congress so neither can just do what they want and I feel that the six years the Republicans have controled both is a major factor in the party corruption we've seen. I'm dreading 2006 and 2008. The Republican party needs to get back to the platform and the Democrats need to change their stance on God, religion, and guns. I am not a Christian myself, but the image I see from the Democrats is not a "war on Christianity" but it isn't friendly either. I'm not surprised either that liberals who push for their political rights freak out when the Christian-right pushes for what they believe in. Ok I'm on a tangent. What were we talking about again!

 

[CAnnoneer]

What has been happening in the past 6 years only demonstrates the significant erosion of the system of checks and balances. When the weaknesses and failures of a few flawed men become the weaknesses and failures of an entire government, we no longer live in a democracy or even in a republic.

 

[TX1911fan]

It is completely within the President's discretion to declassify materials. It happens ALL the time. The fact that Plame's name was in the declassified materials is irrelevant. She was not covert at the time, and had not been covert in the field in over 6 years, thereby not qualifying for protection anyway. Remember, Libby is NOT on trial for leaking her name. He is on trial for obstruction of justice. He lied about something during the investigation. The fact that Plame's name was leaked is of no import to Libby's trial. Libby disclosed the fact of the declassification of materials, and the press and Bush haters now want to make this a big deal. IT IS NOT, nor has it ever been. Even if President Bush himself had provided to teh press that Valerie Plame was Joe Wilson's wife, it would not have been a violation of the law because she had not been covert for more than 6 years. This is a complete non-issue.

 

[shermacman]

Look how the Antique Media can fuel Bush Derangement Syndrome. As long as an item can potentially smear the President, the Antique Media will publish it and the Pavlov dogs here in the new media will fall for it.

 

[Lobotomy Boy]

Keep telling yourself it's a non-issue. Sooner or later this administration's habit of shaping laws around its own foul behavior is going to catch up with it.

From the CNN.com article:

According to Miller's grand jury testimony, Libby told her about Plame's CIA status in the July 8, 2003 conversation that took place shortly after the White House aide -- according to the new court filing -- was authorized by Bush through Cheney to disclose sensitive intelligence about Iraq and WMD contained in a National Intelligence Estimate.

I'm no fan of Miller's, but she testified that Libby told her about Plame's identity at the authorization of Bush, through Cheney. That's not what Libby is saying, but remember, the man is under indictment for lying under oath. We're supposed to believe him?

If Miller's testimony is true, and at this point common sense would dictate believing her testimony over the testimony of someone under indictment for lying under oath, then both Bush and Cheney are guilty of treason, and at the very least should be impeached. Don't give me that garbage about the president being able to declassify information for his own political convenience, which is exactly what happened here. Treason is treason. Given that this occurred during war time, it is a very serious matter, and anyone who cares about national security should care a great deal about this. Making excuses for the administration instead of trying to get to the heart of the matter is defacto treason.

 

[c_yeager]

You might follow your own advice and read the second post of this thread.

Perhaps you should consider editing the title of this thread and your original post instead of allowing them to sit there with an obvious untruth that has your name attached to it. Being a moderator I'm sure you know how to do it.

 

[seeker_two]

It's been pretty well established that "Plame's identity" was common knowledge among those few people who would give a rat's ass about Valerie Plame. Libby was indicted for lying to investigators, not for doing anything wrong to start with.

...and "lying" to investigators is just code for not telling the Feds what they want to hear. Just ask Martha Stewart...

Personally, I think one should lie to Federal investigators whenever given the opportunity. It keeps their investigative skills sharp, and they'll probably charge you with doing so anyway....

 

[shermacman]

Making excuses for the administration instead of trying to get to the heart of the matter is defacto treason.

That is right, Lobotomy Boy! Anyone who doesn't suffer from your peculiar version of Bush Derangement Syndrome is guilty of treason.

 

[Lobotomy Boy]

Good lord. Talk about drinking the purple Kool Aid. The president has been caught leaking information on a CIA operative to further his selfish political purposes. Whether legal, as he claims, or not, this is a fact. First he lied about it, saying he would fire anyone who leaked such information, when in fact we now know he authorized Libby to leak that information. This is absolutely unacceptable behavior from the lowest flunky sweeping stores in a convenience store. From the Commander in Chief it is beyond comprehension. Yet discussing the matter is an example of "Bush Derangement Syndrome"? If anyone still supporting this man wants to see a genuine example of Bush Derangement Syndrome, well, most likely there is a mirror in your bathroom.

 

[RealGun]

Making excuses for the administration instead of trying to get to the heart of the matter is defacto treason.

Funny how disingenuous villification of our esteemed leaders is somehow different.

 

[Lone_Gunman]

The Bush presidency is totally lost. The Republicans have too much power right now for anything to be done about any Bush wrongdoings. If Bush was seen handing over a nuclear weapon to Bin Laden, he would not be impeached. That's what happens when we hand too much power to one party.

I was a lifelong Republican until recently. I was a sustaining member of the RNC. I voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004. I dreamed of a time when Republicans would control all three branches of government. Naively, I believed we would see a reduction of government, less spending, more honesty, a roll back of gun laws, none of which has happened.

I, for one, will be doing my part in November of this year to redistribute the power in Washington. I will vote Democrat for the first time in my life. I don't support any of the Democrat agenda, but I believe the country would be better off in a political stalemate than allow either party too much control.

 

[Lobotomy Boy]

At what point does a group of leaders become so utterly corrupt and morally bankrupt that it becomes impossible to support them? At what point does rebellion become patriotism and support become treason?

I think we have crossed that bridge myself. Your own tipping point may be different, but to me supporting these guys is just a stone's throw away from driving the truck that delivers the gas pellets to the concentration camp. We're not there yet, but we're too close for my comfort.

 

[Aguila Blanca]

I, for one, will be doing my part in November of this year to redistribute the power in Washington. I will vote Democrat for the first time in my life. I don't support any of the Democrat agenda, but I believe the country would be better off in a political stalemate than allow either party too much control.

Agreed ... sort of.

I was never a Republicrat. Nor was I ever a Demican. I have always been an unaffiliated voter, but in recent years I have become disenchanted enough at the entrenched power brokers that my philosophy has become to ALWAYS vote against the incumbent. Our government was never envisioned by the Founding fathers to be controlled by lifetime, career politicians. If the S.O.B.s won't eneact term limits, then I think we need to take back our powers as a citizenry and enforce our own de facto term limits by ousting the incumbents. Yes, every once in awhile we might oust someone worthwhile ... but that's actually rather unlikely. On balance, I don't think getting an entire new crew every few years could possibly leave us any worse off than we are now.