"Looters Will Be Killed" ???

[David]

I found this photo of a guy protecting himself and his property with a shotgun after Florida's Hurricane Charley.

I hope this photo comes out okay as I have had trouble posting photos in the past on THR.

By the way, here is a link to the online story which contains this photo so perhaps another THR member can download this photo to this thread:

http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/main.adp

 

[Zundfolge]

AOL news doesn't allow us non AOL users to log on so we can't even see the story but here's the pic as a .jpg so it can be viewed by people in the browser

 

[firearms_instructor]

Gosh, that's not real smart...

Florida does not allow lethal force in defense of property. God forbid he should actually have to shoot someone in legitimate self-defense, a shyster lawyer could have a field day with that picture, showing (allegedly) that he committed "premeditated murder".

He should change his sign to "Looters will be sternly lectured and looked at crossly!"

 

[Zundfolge]

I was thinking he must be pretty confident in his shooting ... wouldn't it be better to say "Looters will be shot!"?

 

[mountainclmbr]

After Andrew there was a great deal of looting and a great deal of people who were on their own to protect themselves and their property. A shotgun comes in very handy in a natural disaster.

The eye of the storm went directly over my mom's house in Polk County. Many oak tree branches broken off, but all missed her house. Central Florida is not as bad as Homestead, but I still wish she would keep a gun.

 

[firearms_instructor]

After Andrew there was a great deal of looting and a great deal of people who were on their own to protect themselves and their property. A shotgun comes in very handy in a natural disaster.

Absolutely. The guy should be armed to the hilt. I would be, and I am. Thank God the hurricane spared us.

I'm merely questioning the wisdom of his sign in view of state law and the litigious (criminal empowerment) times we find ourselves in. Especially since the newsies photographed it and are probably wringing their hands and wetting their beds over it.

 

[Pilgrim]

After Andrew there was a great deal of looting and a great deal of people who were on their own to protect themselves and their property. A shotgun comes in very handy in a natural disaster.

I seem to recall reading an article in a gun rag about the post-hurricane Andrew scene that stated that when the word got out the National Guard troops weren't permitted to load their weapons, a few Guardmen were mugged and their weapons stolen by looters.



Pilgrim

 

[cls12vg30]

Charley was an absolute fizzle for us. It made landfall again near the SC/NC line, and then swept northeast along the Carolina shore. Here in Raleigh it wasn't abnormally windy and it didn't even rain that hard.

 

[HankB]

. . . when the word got out the National Guard troops weren't permitted to load their weapons, a few Guardmen were mugged and their weapons stolen . . .

One of my friends was in the NG some years back when they were called out from time to time during the days of, shall we say, urban unrest. He was never issued ammo . . . but he and his squadmates always had some.

 

[Ohen Cepel]

Sounds like a solid policy to me!

 

[Sylvilagus Aquaticus]

I say a strong audio-visual aid works wonders during a presentation.

Regards,
Rabbit.

 

[Pilgrim]

One of my friends was in the NG some years back when they were called out from time to time during the days of, shall we say, urban unrest. He was never issued ammo . . . but he and his squadmates always had some.

When the National Guard company in my home town in the PDRK was activated to deal with the Rodney King riot in 1992, the Guardsmen went to my friendly neighborhood gun shop owner and bought up all the .223 and 9mm ammo he had. They knew what was coming.

Sure enough, the Guard was delayed at least a day in deploying to Los Angeles because the Guard didn't have enough ammunition. There was talk of deploying the Guard where the squad leaders were the only ones who would have some ammunition so they could protect the members of their squads.

Pilgrim

 

[Mannlicher]

Firearms instructor says :Gosh, that's not real smart...
Florida does not allow lethal force in defense of property. God forbid he should actually have to shoot someone in legitimate self-defense, a shyster lawyer could have a field day with that picture, showing (allegedly) that he committed "premeditated murder".

Heck, under these circumstances,I'd shoot a looter in a moment. Obviously you have not been through one of these events, where you lose everything, and even possibably have a family member injured or killed. Times like those, what some lawyer down the road will do is of small import.


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[spartacus2002]

Regardless of the legality or practicality, I will bet you he doesn't get looted....

 

[geegee]

I was just watching Fox News, as they interviewed a National Guard officer. He was being interviewed in regard to security and looting issues (as they showed a destroyed trailer park). As he was talking, I was thinking to myself "So you folks are thinking that the survivors of a trailer park in Florida aren't armed, and willing to guard what little property they have left?"

 

[David]

I wonder how many other victims of Hurricane Charley are patrolling their communities while OPENLY armed?

What would Florida police officers likely do if they observed an OPENLY armed citizen in the Hurricane area?

Does the fact that many parts of Florida have been declared a "major disaster area" allow citizens to be OPENLY armed?

From this story about Hurricane Charley:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...rr15.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/08/15/ixworld.html

"Back in Punta Gorda, Terry Frey, 55, patrolled his damaged single-storey home with a pistol tucked in his belt, accompanied by his son Fred, 33, who was armed with a rifle. "Looters will be killed," they had scrawled in black paint on the outer walls.

"I'm not taking any chances," said Mr Frey, who fled his home with nine cats, three dogs and four rabbits before Hurricane Charley struck. "I'm not getting through all this just for someone to come helping themselves to my life."
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Just my 2 cents...

 

[AVESguy]

the Palm Beach Post had a photo of a woman in what was left of her jewelry store in Port Charlotte carrying a S&W revolver.

 

[Zundfolge]

Does the fact that many parts of Florida have been declared a "major disaster area" allow citizens to be OPENLY armed?

I would be willing to bet that under such times of crisis the opposite is true ... I bet the law allows the "authorities" to seize arms and disarm the populace ... along with the suspension of other rights.

 

[MR.G]

Sometimes just the threat will keep the looters away. The sign is a good idea. Why would a looter go to the property with that sign when there are pleanty of others without someone with a gun. Besides that sign and remaining wall can disapear after a defensive shooting. We were lucky and the storm missed us, but if it hadn't my property would have the same sign. BTW the Castle Doctrine applies in Florida, and should still apply, even if all of your walls are not standing. Friday we were said to be the storms target, and a lot of the people in my neighborhood were boarding up and making last minute plans. There were a lot of people out talking to each other about what to expect. I brought up the subject of looting and guns several times, and was shocked to learn that most of my neighbors didn't own any firearms. Maby I live in the wrong neighborhood.

 

[Lone_Gunman]

Heck, under these circumstances,I'd shoot a looter in a moment. Obviously you have not been through one of these events, where you lose everything, and even possibably have a family member injured or killed. Times like those, what some lawyer down the road will do is of small import.

Small import? I think you would likely get charged with first degree murder. The death penalty is kind of important, even if your house has been destroyed by a hurricane.

 

[Standing Wolf]

Oh, gosh! I sure do hope Florida's criminals can read!

 

[cracked butt]

I think the sign is a good idea- it tells would-be criminals exactly where you stand. If a criminal is dumb enough to challenge the property owner, the criminal would probably be armed, giving the man the right to defend himself.

 

[Detachment Charlie]

I seem to remember a quote from a Miami police chief that got him fired several years back:
"When the lootin' starts, the shootin' starts."
They couldn't handle the truth.

 

[M2 Carbine]

During the riots in the mid 60's (Maryland) I was told I was needed as a platoon leader (Warrant Officer, National Guard).
I said , OK should I draw a 45 and ammo or can I carry my own.

They said no ammo, no one will be allowed to carry ammo.

I said that's horse ****. No way am I going into a riot or am I sending anyone else into a riot with empty weapons. I'll go buy the 30.06 and Carbine ammo myself.

They decided they didn't need me.

They wouldn't even let me fly over the rioters.
Afraid something heavy might fall off the helicopter.


Two of my brothers got in a bad way because the rioters knew they had empty rifles.
Lucky they didn't get hurt.

My police friends told me they had to carry their guns EMPTY.

The maggot politicians didn't care if a Guardsman or Policeman was hurt
as long as a "voter" wasn't hurt.

 

[cracked butt]

So using a rifle as a club was out of the question also? What about bayonets? I would think those would be intimidating enough to keep the bad ones from getting too close.