"Looters Will Be Killed" ???
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Merc40
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This is the actual Florida law:
"776.012 Use of force in defense of person.--A person is justified in the use of force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against such other's imminent use of unlawful force. However, the person is justified in the use of deadly force only if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony. "
Here is the definition of a forcible felony:
"776.08 Forcible felony.--"Forcible felony" means treason; murder; manslaughter; sexual battery; carjacking; home-invasion robbery; robbery; burglary; arson; kidnapping; aggravated assault; aggravated battery; aggravated stalking; aircraft piracy; unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb; and any other felony which involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual."
So in my oppinion they are justified in their defense of their homes.
2004 Florida Statues
"776.012 Use of force in defense of person.--A person is justified in the use of force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against such other's imminent use of unlawful force. However, the person is justified in the use of deadly force only if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony. "
Here is the definition of a forcible felony:
"776.08 Forcible felony.--"Forcible felony" means treason; murder; manslaughter; sexual battery; carjacking; home-invasion robbery; robbery; burglary; arson; kidnapping; aggravated assault; aggravated battery; aggravated stalking; aircraft piracy; unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb; and any other felony which involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual."
So in my oppinion they are justified in their defense of their homes.
2004 Florida Statues
AVESguy
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Interesting, in today's Palm Beach Post in the hurricane coverage there was a picture of an airplane hangar at an airport that was heavily damaged. On the front of the hangar was a handpainted sign on a piece of plywood that said
NO TRESPASSING. INSURED BY SMITH & WESSON
The Post is a VERY anti 2A left wing paper, but they had two pictures like this in two days with NO editorializing.
I don't know if this link will work but....this is it.
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/storm/...l/storm/2004/atlantic/charley/photos2/99.html
This is the other photo of the gal in the jewelry store, if the link works..
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/storm/...al/storm/2004/atlantic/charley/photos/32.html
NO TRESPASSING. INSURED BY SMITH & WESSON
The Post is a VERY anti 2A left wing paper, but they had two pictures like this in two days with NO editorializing.
I don't know if this link will work but....this is it.
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/storm/...l/storm/2004/atlantic/charley/photos2/99.html
This is the other photo of the gal in the jewelry store, if the link works..
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/storm/...al/storm/2004/atlantic/charley/photos/32.html
firearms_instructor
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Wow, I sit corrected
I've read this, and I'm supposed to know this, but I guess 'burglary' didn't register on me when I last read this. Thanks for posting the statute, Merc40.
Yes, for legal reasons I think this would still be the better sign, even if Mr. Homeowner only takes head shots.
I've read this, and I'm supposed to know this, but I guess 'burglary' didn't register on me when I last read this. Thanks for posting the statute, Merc40.
Yes, for legal reasons I think this would still be the better sign, even if Mr. Homeowner only takes head shots.
myopicmouse
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Dumb to have even cops with empty guns, if they have a string from belt to gun it can't get sntached into the crowd. Either send them in loaded guns or no guns at all, it's either one or the other. In Northen Ireland you had your front row with shields & battons, and your second row didn't have riot gear, they had rifles. That way there was the distance of guns/crowd and if someone had a few shots at them, they could return fire fast without having to unsling rifles from their backs as their pals had rifles at the ready. One group for crowd control, and the other for lethal force.
XLMiguel
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Looting during a state of emergency: "Smoke 'em if you got 'em" werks for me. though I'd give 'em a warning and a chance to leave (3 sec.s should do), and then a couple warning shots COM. Scum 
Merc40
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This is what Packin.org says on "Carrying without a Permit/License":
"Here's a paragraph from the Florida Statutes (you decide): 5) POSSESSION IN PRIVATE CONVEYANCE.--Notwithstanding subsection (2), it is lawful and is not a violation of s. 790.01 for a person 18 years of age or older to possess a concealed firearm or other weapon for self-defense or other lawful purpose within the interior of a private conveyance, without a license, if the firearm or other weapon is securely encased or is otherwise not readily accessible for immediate use. Nothing herein contained prohibits the carrying of a legal firearm other than a handgun anywhere in a private conveyance when such firearm is being carried for a lawful use. Nothing herein contained shall be construed to authorize the carrying of a concealed firearm or other weapon on the person. This subsection shall be liberally construed in favor of the lawful use, ownership, and possession of firearms and other weapons, including lawful self-defense as provided in s. 776.012. You can go here if you want to look into it further.
Also:
790.25 Lawful ownership, possession, and use of firearms and other weapons.-- (3) LAWFUL USES.--The provisions of ss. 790.053 and 790.06 do not apply in the following instances, and, despite such sections, it is lawful for the following persons to own, possess, and lawfully use firearms and other weapons, ammunition, and supplies for lawful purposes: (h) A person engaged in fishing, camping, or lawful hunting or going to or returning from a fishing, camping, or lawful hunting expedition;"
Maybe if you pitch a tent in your front yard and you claim you are camping.
"Here's a paragraph from the Florida Statutes (you decide): 5) POSSESSION IN PRIVATE CONVEYANCE.--Notwithstanding subsection (2), it is lawful and is not a violation of s. 790.01 for a person 18 years of age or older to possess a concealed firearm or other weapon for self-defense or other lawful purpose within the interior of a private conveyance, without a license, if the firearm or other weapon is securely encased or is otherwise not readily accessible for immediate use. Nothing herein contained prohibits the carrying of a legal firearm other than a handgun anywhere in a private conveyance when such firearm is being carried for a lawful use. Nothing herein contained shall be construed to authorize the carrying of a concealed firearm or other weapon on the person. This subsection shall be liberally construed in favor of the lawful use, ownership, and possession of firearms and other weapons, including lawful self-defense as provided in s. 776.012. You can go here if you want to look into it further.
Also:
790.25 Lawful ownership, possession, and use of firearms and other weapons.-- (3) LAWFUL USES.--The provisions of ss. 790.053 and 790.06 do not apply in the following instances, and, despite such sections, it is lawful for the following persons to own, possess, and lawfully use firearms and other weapons, ammunition, and supplies for lawful purposes: (h) A person engaged in fishing, camping, or lawful hunting or going to or returning from a fishing, camping, or lawful hunting expedition;"
Maybe if you pitch a tent in your front yard and you claim you are camping.
Merc40
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According to Florida Gun Law in Plain English:
"Open Carry On Person
Open carry of a firearm is prohibited except in certain limited situations, such as when hunting, camping, fishing, hiking or target shooting in a lawful location. Open carry in a populated or urban area is NEVER allowed. This prohibition even applies to persons who have a Concealed Weapons License.
NOTE: It is legal for a person to openly carry a firearm, regardless of whether or not the person has a license, at his or her home or place of business. "Home" does not include areas outside of your house or apartment, such as yards, parking areas, or common hallways. "Place of business" does not include areas outside of the business premises, such as parking areas, hallways or common areas within malls, shopping centers or office buildings; nor does it include mobile "places of business" such as motor vehicles or other forms of conveyance."
Florida Gun Law in Plain English
"Open Carry On Person
Open carry of a firearm is prohibited except in certain limited situations, such as when hunting, camping, fishing, hiking or target shooting in a lawful location. Open carry in a populated or urban area is NEVER allowed. This prohibition even applies to persons who have a Concealed Weapons License.
NOTE: It is legal for a person to openly carry a firearm, regardless of whether or not the person has a license, at his or her home or place of business. "Home" does not include areas outside of your house or apartment, such as yards, parking areas, or common hallways. "Place of business" does not include areas outside of the business premises, such as parking areas, hallways or common areas within malls, shopping centers or office buildings; nor does it include mobile "places of business" such as motor vehicles or other forms of conveyance."
Florida Gun Law in Plain English
looters sign
If someone did shoot a looter and got charged who would be on the jury but fellow victims who would probably like to hang the prosecutor. Also remember during the Rodney King riots in LA some time back the shops that werent robbed were the ones run by ARMED Korean shopkeepers who showed what they would do to protect themselves and their property.
If someone did shoot a looter and got charged who would be on the jury but fellow victims who would probably like to hang the prosecutor. Also remember during the Rodney King riots in LA some time back the shops that werent robbed were the ones run by ARMED Korean shopkeepers who showed what they would do to protect themselves and their property.
What some people do not know or forget, that in both the Rodney King riots in LA and the aftermath of hurricane Andrew in 1992, that many of the looters were armed. The Korean merchants got into firefights with armed looters.
Also, in LA during the riots the National Guard troops shot and killed a guy in a Datsun 280Z who tried twice to run them over. After that event, the Guardsmen were ordered not to load their weapons. Right after that two Guardsmen were relieved on the M16s and uniforms and gear right down to their underwear.
About a week after hurricane Andrew, the citizens of the affected areas patrolled their wrecked neighborhoods with guns, dogs and flashlights. After about a week or so, the National Guard and police showed up to take control. However, they only took control during daylight hours, and disappeard at night. So, the citizens were back to patrolling their wrecked neighborhoods with guns, dogs and flashlights.
During and after any major emergency, man made or otherwise, you can never trust public officials. They are looking out for themselves only. You are on your own.
Also, in LA during the riots the National Guard troops shot and killed a guy in a Datsun 280Z who tried twice to run them over. After that event, the Guardsmen were ordered not to load their weapons. Right after that two Guardsmen were relieved on the M16s and uniforms and gear right down to their underwear.
About a week after hurricane Andrew, the citizens of the affected areas patrolled their wrecked neighborhoods with guns, dogs and flashlights. After about a week or so, the National Guard and police showed up to take control. However, they only took control during daylight hours, and disappeard at night. So, the citizens were back to patrolling their wrecked neighborhoods with guns, dogs and flashlights.
During and after any major emergency, man made or otherwise, you can never trust public officials. They are looking out for themselves only. You are on your own.
Smurfslayer
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... That's the title of a History channel show I caught dealing with Andrew. The last 15 minutes were the aftermath of Andrew. It showed in graphic detail how devastated these people were. Please keep in mind, before criticizing this brash, plain, and clear warning that these people have just lost almost everything - their home, posseessions, water, food and what emergency supplies they may have - would you just let someone walk off with them because their underprivilged selves are somehow more entitled to it than you, the rightful owner ?
We don't have ANY right to call into question the methods used by the survivors to keep what's theirs. We're not in their shoes, and have no idea the desperation they may (or may not) have. For all we know the only things of value these people have may be water.
Even if FL law was silent on the matter, I think a very strong case could be made that a looter is potentially committing a life threatening act in this - stealing from a storm survivor's ruins - situation...
... That's the title of a History channel show I caught dealing with Andrew. The last 15 minutes were the aftermath of Andrew. It showed in graphic detail how devastated these people were. Please keep in mind, before criticizing this brash, plain, and clear warning that these people have just lost almost everything - their home, posseessions, water, food and what emergency supplies they may have - would you just let someone walk off with them because their underprivilged selves are somehow more entitled to it than you, the rightful owner ?
We don't have ANY right to call into question the methods used by the survivors to keep what's theirs. We're not in their shoes, and have no idea the desperation they may (or may not) have. For all we know the only things of value these people have may be water.
Even if FL law was silent on the matter, I think a very strong case could be made that a looter is potentially committing a life threatening act in this - stealing from a storm survivor's ruins - situation...
Merc40
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I agree with you, this thread just brought up some questions about the law. If it were my home and in that situation all looters would be fair game.
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When your house is laying all over the lawn, trying to determine where the interior is is difficult.
At that point, most officers down here are pretty good about not hassling the locals unless they are walking around displaying the firearm in a negligent manner.
At that point, most officers down here are pretty good about not hassling the locals unless they are walking around displaying the firearm in a negligent manner.
I think the police would leave armed property owners alone if they weren't causing a problem or disturbing the peace. Otherwise they know they would be wasting their time. This is Florida not New England. Although, strangely, lots of northerners end up here. Up in Jax, it's more like "south Georgia". I'm not sure what the attitudes are like in south Florida regarding guns.
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