M1 Garands at SOG

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In the SOG flyer they have springfield armory M1 garands good condition for $695.

I wonder if these are from century? My Century sales reps told me about a moneth ago they had some M1 Garands comming real soon.

If you read the article it has alot of scare tacitics. Not being able to import US made curo and relics? HUH. Seems like CAI had no problem importing M1 carbines last year.

Not sure what they are talking about, maybe someone could enlighten me.

Seems like double talk to me. You cannot import them, its banned, but we imported these.

Maybe the CMP has been bringing in most the surplus M1's. The CMP at least until this year has had Garands for sale.

Brion
 

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Can import any that were sold, as far as I know, but none that were provided as aid. I could be wrong, but I believe that is how it works.

Ash
 
Isn't the CMP bringing back the ones provided as aid? Aren't they still US property and retruned back to the Govt.

Brion
 
The CMP has a bunch of M1s for sale right now. They are taking orders for SG Springfields. $550 or $600 I think.
They are not importing them. My understanding of them is that these guns were loaned to foreign countries by the US Government, so they aren't being imported, just returned.
 
The really important question, as I see it, is what condition they're in. Buyers can be pretty dang certain that a CMP rifle is in the condition described or better, and has been inspected by a competent armorer. If those are in Correct or Collector's grade condition, and mechanically sound, then it's definitely a good deal..if they're in something closer to Field or Service grade, and haven't been looked over by someone who knows what they're doing, then it's not much of a bargain at all. I find the lack of a detailed description of their condition to be an ominous sign.
 
The CMP rifles are indeed just returned back to the US. They are not being "imported" and as such do not have to be stamped. For example, the Danish and Greek Garands came from their respective countries and were returned to the US free of charge. They were not sold to Greece or Denmark and were returned to the US government at no additional cost. These rifles could not be sold to Century because they were given to Greece or Denmark and as such those nations cannot now profit financially on the military aid.

But, say for instance we sold a batch of Garands to a country. It has happened before (at Camp Shelby there is a WWII cannon made in the US, sold to Iran, captured by Iraq, and then captured by the US and returned to this country). That nation paid for the rifles and so those rifles are theirs by all rights. Because of this, the nation can then sell them to Century who must import the rifles, stamp them imported, etc. Personally, I shudder to think what kind of "Century Billboard" that might now be found on these rifles.

Ash
 
Well, they basically said they imported them.....

and ended up in an overseas arsenal where they’ve been for decades
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So, non import "service grade" from the CMP for $595......
Their service grade translates on their site to "good to very good"

Import marked from SOG for $695........
good condition
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SOGs definition of "good" isn't quite that of the CMP IMHO.


;)
 
Seems like a shady ad to me. I am not for sure they came from century, but heard from century that they got a few comming up and aksi saw a couple up on thier auction site.


Brion
 
Over on the CSP board one of the regulars, John R, is an importer in Canada. He reported that the Century/SOG M1s came from Guatemala and are in horrible condition. Get one from the CMP instead.
 
If they are garbage, the word will get out, and the prices will fall. I hope. When the market gets flooded with 10,000, 50,000 rifles, the importers want to get their money out of them, not have them sitting on a shelf gathering inventory taxes.

We will see.
 
Well, they basically said they imported them.....


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and ended up in an overseas arsenal where they’ve been for decades

So, non import "service grade" from the CMP for $595......
Their service grade translates on their site to "good to very good"

Import marked from SOG for $695........

Quote:
good condition

SOGs definition of "good" isn't quite that of the CMP IMHO.
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SOG doesnt require you to jump through hoops to qualify i dont imagine. only need an FFL to transfer to
 
Well its true that you don't need as much paperwork to order from SOG. I would order any day from CMP vs SOG.

Once you get you the paperwork in, even if you don't have a FFL, the gun can come to your house.

For the CMP to order, just join the GCA, send in proof of markmenship(i used CCW class), proof of citizenship, and a notorized form and you are good to go.

Once have all this in, you don't send it in again, just the order form.


Brion
 
For the CMP to order, just join the GCA, send in proof of markmenship(i used CCW class), proof of citizenship, and a notorized form and you are good to go.
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i can just call my FFL and tell them to order one from SOG. or order any gun for that matter. alot less work.

i understand the goal of the CMP in both its historic GOV based entity and its current private corp. but there just too much paper work for me. personal opinion
 
Hoppy,

The paper work takes about 10 minutes for your first order, even less on subsequent orders. You can even fill in the forms online, then print them out. All you have to do is sign and get notorized. Your bank or place of work probably have a notary that will do that for free even. Its a shame not to get a CMP because of the minimal amount of paperwork.

The marksmanship requirement is met if you have a carry permit or C&R license.
 
Not to metion you don't have to pay your FFL for the XFR and you can have it shipped direct to your house. No 4473 form.

Also no import markings and nore then likely you will get a gun in better shape then SOG.

I oreded one of centruy saginaw m1 carbines, its a work in progress right now, but i plan on ordering one of the CMP saginaw's when you can in 2009.

I will not get into the Century M1 carbine condition on this post. I will post some infor an pics when i am done. I will say its cleaning up better then i thought.

Brion
 
I have to agree with the others Hoppy. It is really much easier than it looks. Also, the activity requirement is satisfied by my CHL or you can use just about any firearms training that involves range time. Just email them and ask. The notarized form lasts you three years. You don't have to send it in again for the 2nd form.

The other advantage is you can buy the Lake City and Greek surplus 30.06 ammo for a little cheaper than you can get it elsewhere.

It is worth the few minutes to get the paperwork together IMO.
 
CMP..... better price, better rifle, NO import marks, a history of MUCH better customer service, shipped direct to your door......

But takes 10 minutes to fill out paperwork.

DUH !!!!!


Just my opinion, after having purchased from the CMP numerous times.....

Swampy

Garands forever
 
No use trying to convince the CMP haters or those who feel the 'hoops' are too difficult. Their loss. More for me.

Personally, I feel that FFL transfers are generally a ripoff and I hate the attitude that usually goes with it, but that's another topic for another day.
 
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No use trying to convince the CMP haters or those who feel the 'hoops' are too difficult. Their loss. More for me.
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YES! i have a differant opinion than you. talk down to me. I AM THE ENEMY!

i never said i hate it. i just choose not to use it. much like how many us choose to carry a firearm, or Choose to buy a certain brand. maybe some day il change my mind about the CMP. the carbines are a tempting offer. but right now i dont have the money to blow joining some useless group il never care about. i dont have the time to fufill some "marksmanship" requirement. maybe when my CR comes and i can skip the marksmanship BS. waste 25$ to join the garand club and then blow 500$ on something my grandparents already paid for with taxes ( and service).

i love the M1. i respect the CMP. i just dont care for there requirements
 
Hoppy, I hold no animosity towards you, I just think your position on the CMP is short sighted. Unless you have a C&R and/or come across the rare awesome deal, you can't find an original condition U.S. rifle in the same condition for the money.

The paperwork and club membership is really a very minor inconvenience when you think about it. (As a side benefit, I support the NC Rifle and Pistol Association for my club membership which is a very pro-2nd group that I should be supporting anyway)

But hey, in all honesty I know I have my own foolish opinions and positions as well.
 
i have time to shoot. but currently dont have tiem to attend CMP matches, most of the rifle ranges i shoot at do not have RO's to sign off and im certainly not gunna call the police and ask them to sign off on me . im still waiting on C&R. My FID didnt include live fire. one "loop hole" i could use is the fact they do not specify Concealed Carry license as requiring live fire.
Distinguished, Instructor, or Coach status.
Concealed Carry License.
Firearms Owner Identification Cards that included live fire training.
FFL or C&R license.
Completion of a Hunter Safety Course that included live fire training
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any one clearify that for me? do they require live fire on concealed carry license?

im not a hater, and im not horribly opposed to the physical paper work its self. ( still less than a 4473) its the idea that im being forced into joining groups. and participating in events to buy something that essentialy belongs to the tax payers already
 
damn. my excuses are slowly dwindeling away. il admit im on the loosing end of an arguement. im at a loss.
 
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