Makes our side look stupid...

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

I'm not sure if there is anything more aggravating than dog owners who expect everyone else to know/assume their dog is friendly.

We don't really know much about the situation either way. So to assume he is guilty simply because you know your black lab is friendly is a pile of BS.

 

[.455_Hunter]

Like I said, I support people's right to defend themselves against AGGRESSIVE dogs- A dog that is snarling, barking, growling, and acting like it is going to attack.

A lab with a stick in its mouth trotting up to you is NOT AGGRESSIVE, even if you are paranoid of dogs.

The sheriff seems in this case seems to agree.

Remember, this is the same part of the state where a man shot a mountain lion a few months back while out walking with his wife. The man received FULL support from law enforcement and state wildlife officials for doing what had to be done. The is no antigun/antiself-defense bias at work here.

When I was 13, I was attacked by a nasty golden retriever. I did manage to hit him with my 10 pump single-shot Crossman pellet pistol, which stopped the attack.

When I hike now, I am wary of approaching dogs, especially those without owners nearby, but I am would never draw, let alone shoot, unless one of them was acting hostile.

I believe that a similar criteria for defense against humans could easily be applied to dogs- just because a dog is near you does not give the right to shoot it, especially on public property.

 

[cassandrasdaddy]

and to play devils advocate my 90 pound best friend has only been people aggressive once in the woods towards a hunter, at the time i was very disturbed 2 years go by same guy gets locked up for some very ugly behavior. and strangly enough i had my kids with me when she tried to eat this guy thankfully she was on a lead. almost too long a lead i barely got her held she got real close to him. if i knew then what i know know i'd have let her eat.
barring video we'll never know the whole truth but i do know that a dog on a lead is much less likely to come to harm. let em off take the responsibility for what happens. i've lost dogs that way it sucks thats why i'm strict about letting mine roam

 

[twoclones]

Yet another stupid gun owner...

Wednesday, Nov. 12, 2008
Richland, WA man arrested on gun charge
By the Herald staff

A 43-year-old Richland man who couldn't keep his gun in his pants was arrested at a Richland bar Saturday.

Officers were called to Lee's Tahitian, 1342 Jadwin Ave., at about 11:45 p.m. after security officers reported a man was displaying a semi-automatic pistol to other patrons, Capt. Mike Cobb said.

When officers approached Jevin J. Edgar, he tried to pull away and was taken to the ground to be controlled, Cobb said.

During the struggle, a 9 mm pistol fell out, Cobb said. The pistol's magazine was loaded but there was not a round in the chamber.

After officers took Edgar into custody, they learned he did not have a concealed pistol license.

He was arrested and booked into the Benton County jail on suspicion of carrying a concealed weapon without a permit and carrying a firearm in an establishment serving alcohol.
...

 

[Crunker1337]

We have no way of knowing how aggressive this dog was acting, therefore, we have no way of knowing whether this hunter's actions were justifiable.

 

[fgr39]

I grew up with a 90 pound black lab that bit more than one person. Both times it was on our property and the dog was defending it self and us. He never attacked unprevoked but would take someone down in a heartbeat if threatend. Big labs can be intimidating. I had a GSD come after me while walking my Golden retriever and daughter (3 years old at the time) I timed my kick just right and caught that dog in the jaw and it lost interest, the owners were outside and couldn't belive what had just happened.

So, the truth is might be somewhere in the middle of the two sides of this story.

 

[cassandrasdaddy]

So, the truth is might be somewhere in the middle of the two sides of this story.

repeated for truth! wouldn't be the first time

 

[BubbaX]

Sadly someones pet is dead and I would say not many people will believe, no matter what, that the dog deserved to be shot. As a hunter and gun owner we all will lose in the court of public opinion. Even if the dog was going to attack.

 

[mbt2001]

Black dog, running through brush... Rabies... Media blowing up the drugs being grown on forest service land.

Anyway, I can't say I blame him. It is a dog for crying out loud. Ain't worth ruining somenes life. Pay a fine, case dismissed.

 

[rforgy]

local news site

http://www.vaildaily.com/article/20...=Police charge hunter in Edwards dog shooting

 

[qwert65]

I for one has never understood people being afraid of dogs(except maybe very large ones like great danes) a 90lb dog is very strong but most full grown people can handle one ie let it bite your arm and then pick up the dog I am NOT advocating people waiting for a dog to bite them to defend themselves. I'm only saying that a single dog is not as dangerous as most make it out to be.

Further most dogs can act aggressive if frightened i've found spitting in their face confuses them and most run away. You can tell a frightened dog bc it will run at you snarling but then stop and crouch a couple feet away(still snarling) Here's my point if you're a human with a gun I see no reason to fear a dog(if armed even a great dane)

There are a few instances where an animal will randomly attack it's hard to explain what that looks like but you know it if it happens to you. The same way you know if someone is being confrontational you don't need it explained.

To many people are trigger happy when it comes to animals and the OP is right it just makes hunters look stupid. I don't give this guy a break bc hunters are suppossed to know animal behavior if he didnt know that he was being a bad hunter if he did he was being an a#$%

 

[cassandrasdaddy]

how many times, in real life, have you let a 90 pound dog take your arm and lifted it up? and what was your result? if any

 

[garymc]

Not much info here. Elk hunting? Is it an area where one would expect to encounter an elk hunter? Was the guy trying to use the dog to teach the evil Bambi hunter a lesson? I haven't seen the polygraph results from the guy who took his roommate's dog out for a romp during elk season and the alleged hunter who shot the dog. The story about carrying the dog a long ways and then leaving it sounds curious, too. Does that explain the 15 foot thing? 15 feet from the hunter or 15 feet from the guy "in control" of the dog? I think its a good thing we don't get to levy punishment based on this kind of info. If the stick in the mouth thing is true, I don't have much sympathy for the shooter. If the "fear for my life" thing was true, then what can you say?

 

[cassandrasdaddy]

he left the dog overnite? something is not passing sniff test.and if the hunter screwed up i'm surprised that he made himself available be easy to vanish. the kid with the dog actions make me wonder

 

[5knives]

Don't tell me that I'm the only person on THR that ever had to deal with feral dogs?

Black Labs are wonderful, gentle, and intelligent dogs, like most working dogs and hunters. Golden Labs might be a tiny bit more flighty.

Feral's packed up? Another story totally (3 can bring out pack behavior) .

Lets see now. The story is missing far more than it says, but ... elk hunter ... presumably well away from the city park ... lone dog (maybe) no owners in sight ... dog moves toward hunter (maybe) .... "hunter" may have had past experience with dog packs (maybe) ... who knows ... GIGO.

Story as it stands isn't worth the bandwidth to discuss it!

Nice chance for everyone to stand up and say "I love my Dog" okay, I love my dogs too.

FWIW, WI has periodic problems in many areas with feral dogs as well as loose pets and farm dogs packing up.

You'd bawl like I did the day I saw what a pack of farm and pet dogs did to a neighbors little herd of sheep. The few still alive staggering around dragging their entrails, others with their faces torn off! kind of ugly.

Got together a little posse and tracked and disposed of all 7 dogs, two of the owners were in the 'posse. Two of the dogs were Black labs.

This story grabs your attention but there's no information in it!

Regards,

 

[Tyrannosaurus]

My inclination to get a CCW was reinforced by experiences with loose pit bulls and pit bull hybrids in my neighborhood.

As vehement as I am about our rights as American citizens, I think people should need some kind of license to breed, raise, or own pit bulls.

Guns don't kill people, but irresponsibly raised dogs do.

I've got to question this article. Do both parties agree that there was a stick in the dog's mouth?

And really- why would someone be elk or deer hunting near a hiking trail?

 

[MIUper]

You had to be there

I read the articles, there's not enough information to decide.

I've been attacked by a 90lb dog and it isn't fun, they are fast and strong; if not for the help of two freinds I'm sure I'd have worse scars, and it didn't last long.

Who are we to say the hunter wasn't scared enough to think he needed to defend himself? After my experience I might do the same.

BTW I had a 100lb golden sweety that never hurt anyone in 11 years. Except for one guy who he decided he didn't like, I had to pull him off. You never know.

 

[Firethorn]

I will tell you of the DNR officer who got his hand bitten trying to pet one of my dogs......... Luckily, he was as smart as I hoped...... 'cause I thought I was going to JAIL !

Well, isn't that the normal reaction when you go and bite an officer? Sheesh, relax a little.

On the story: Sounds like somebody's lying, or very unaware of dogs. Other than that, not enough information. There's reasons court cases for stuff like this tend to take days.

 

[357wheelgunner]

I was mauled by a relatives "sweet family dog" when I was young. I'm not terrified of dogs, but I respect the damage they can do. I like people pointing guns in my face about as much as I like strange dogs running up and jumping on me and whatnot.

Just because you don't understand how others react doesn't mean that they are stupid. Every single person whose pitbull has mauled their children swore that he was the biggest sweetest dog in the world....until it ripped their kid apart.

Not all dogs are to be feared, but they are all capable of doing damage and should be respected accordingly.

 

[BCC]

Stick carrying dogs rarely attack.

 

[5knives]

"Stick carrying dogs rarely attack."

True, but we really don't know if this dog had a stick in it's mouth, do we?

Just the dog owners word and that might be ... ummm ... mistaken?

OTOH, friend of mine used to Breed and show St. Bernards, just possibly the gentlest and most intelligent dogs there are.

Their national Champion was a tad high strung, got mad at a neighbor kid who was teasing him, grabbed the kid and drug him into his dog house. Didn't hurt the kid, just wouldn't let him out again, the screams for help were pretty funny though, Kid never teased the dog again.

But if that dog had a 'stick' in his mouth it might be his favorite 8 foot sapling he'd uprooted. Tended to make folks pretty nervous if they didn't know him. That 'stick' was his favorite toy. He liked to take it for walks.

Regards,

 

[qwert65]

crassandrasdaddy, I've twice been attacked by large dogs first time I got bit in the butt and I wound up punching the dog which made it stop attacking then I had to catch it to finish giving it it's shots.

The second time a rottie grabbed my arm by the wrist she was only about 60lbs i grabbed her scruff and twisted it and spit in er face and she let go. If you reread my post I do not reccomend waiting to get bit I was stating that a full grown armed man is able to give a dog quite a large amt of latitude. If it was me I would have waited if the dog jumped at me I would of shot it/smacked it

I'm a 3rd year vet student and have been around animals all my life. I've been bitten by lots of things ducks, dogs, cats, horses which are the worst by the way bc they are 9x the size of you.

I've shot dogs before as well when they were killing our ducks. The purpose of my post was my honest opinion that a single dog running through the woods is not as dangerous to a full grown man as people think.

Let me ask you this how many full grown men do you hear about being savaged by a SINGLE dog? and of those how many were about a 100lbs? The OP is right this does make us look bad

This also goes back to a hunter being aware of animal behavior.

 

[Sinixstar]

I'm sure there's plenty of things both the hiker and the hunter could have done differently to prevent this, and i'm sure we'll probably never know beyond a doubt exactly what happened.

End of the day it's a damn shame. Somebody's pet is dead, and it didn't have to happen. That kinda sucks, and that's what people will focus on.

 

[cassandrasdaddy]

one thing i wonder was the dog collared? thats a big part of my shoot/don't shoot id.

and if they were so far back in the boonies the kid took overnite to get back to dog they were in the boonies