Man shoots motorcyclist in "self defense"

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Kicking doors and punching mirrors??

many bikers seem to feel their idea of street justice is acceptable."

and then get all girlish when someone responds in kind
 
Anyone ever tried to write down a plate number while on a bike? True, you could try to remember, but at 21 the guy was probably a little hot headed. Now, shooting a biker because he rode toward you and it looked like he was going to hit you? If he's coming at you fast enough that you can't knock him over - step aside. A couple of steps and he won't be able to manuver quick enough to hit you. I'm sure there were a multitude of mistakes made by both parties, but shooting at anyone driving by in the street is plain stupid. Making it a motorcycle vs car debate is stupider. If anyone shoots someone else in the back, regardless of the situation, self defence will be next to impossible to prove.
 
I love the open minded reactions to this story. "Dirty d@m biker probably deserved it". how about dirty d@m gun owner probably deserved it. Cheese and rice people, how in the world can you justify shooting at some one who is riding away? Anyone that can come up with a justification for that is either delusional or intentionally being intellectually dishonest.
 
he was riding away the first time he went past second pass he was coming back as someone pointed out that roads not a dead end
 
I don't know what the daughters said on the phone, but if it was bad enough to get your gun and go stand out by the road, he should have called the police the moment the daughters hung up.

Why would you shoot someone in the back? I understand the bike is a deadly weapon, but even if he has made an attempt to hit me, I would have a hard time shooting someone off their motorcycle for it. I guess its not the kind of crime I have thought about having to defend myself from.
 
one story says the girls admit to useing gestures/ i figure they flipped him off some guys get real worked up over that.
 
A man would have to be an idiot to try and run someone down on a scoot - they'll both go down. Makes no sense.

Biker
 
Unless, as someone previously posted, you are hitting a car merely with the intent to get the driver's attention to avert your imminent accidental or negligent death, it is not a defense against anything. It is vengeance. Vengeance is bound to un-necessarily escalate the situation. Likewise, it's a far cry to say that someone who hit your car once with a hammer or punched off your mirror is a threat to your life, to be responded to by ramming him off the bike at any speed. That's lethal force. Your last resort. And it is not justified in such a case.

Your first line of defense after someone hits your car is to let the juvenile hothead ride off.
Your second line of defense is to utilize your gas pedal or brake.

If you want to snuff someone for merely damaging your vehicle, you've got some issues.

The level of clear thought and maturity on this thread is underwhelming.

-Sans Authoritas
 
When I took my driving lessons years ago our instructor told us and I quote " if you have an accident exchange papers license numbers etc but above all KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT screaming at the other driver will only lead to trouble and possible jail time. In my state driving a motorcycle is serious business I've worked with more than 1 biker who was missing a limb or had loads of pins/plates holding him together.
I agree the young man who was shot didn't think his actions thru but on the other hand father in street blasting away protecting his daughters "honor" equally stupid. This episode has one man dead and another who most likely will spend time in jail and for what,testosterone fueled stupidity.
 
Maybe it's an age thing, but I always treated cars like they don't see me. One of 'em almost hits me? Then I wasn't paying enough attention, and didn't leave myself enough wiggle room. I've been cut off, and I've had my share of left-turn gravemakers ahead...and if there's one thing I know, it's that in no case has anybody ever purposefully tried to kill me. Poor drivers? Maybe. Could something really, really bad have happened to me? Yep. Did they do it on purpose? Nope. And that makes all the difference in the world. I got this thing on my bike, works off a switch on the handlebars. A short blast on the horn and a friendly wave usually gets their attention. If I get taken out, I get taken out. It's my time. I don't think it's here yet, and I ride like no one can see me...and I've never gone down in 30 years. It's just my way--I'm not a vengeful guy.
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I put in 15 years as a trucker. Rule number 1, look down the road and try to figure out the most stupid thing someone could do and when you get to that spot, expect some fool to do it. I own 3 bikes and I ride them the same way. I never take for granted that the other guy can see me, even if we make eye contact. As for kickin doors and mirrors, that's exactly one of the reasons why some folks hate the bikes as much as they do.

As for the shooting, I'll have to have way more info before making a judgement.
 
some of the kids today are idiots. getting angry from being flipped off then following 2 girls home isn't bright. and making a second pass especially on a guy with a gun invokes darwin
 
Sheriff: Man allegedly shot at teens in 2006

Authorities charged Gear with murder Monday and did not find evidence he acted in self-defense, Berry said.

"The physical evidence we recovered from the scene and elsewhere doesn't reflect that Mough was the primary aggressor," Berry said. "There is no evidence he tried to hit Gear, and his motorcycle never went on Gear's property."

Investigators still don't know exactly what happened in the minutes leading up to Mough's death.

Source-http://www.onlineathens.com/stories/022808/news_2008022800152.shtml
 
I just can't imagine a situation where this shoot is justified. If the guy was riding away there was no immediate threat.
 
Well said ASM826.

Bottom line is we do not know what happened. There is the possibility that this was a justified shoot. If someone attempts to hit me with a vehicle (car, motercycle whatever) they do pose a threat to my life. Thus I would be justified in defending myself by whatever means necessary.

Basically all we know at this point is this guys 2 daughters call him panicked about a guy following them (don't really know why he is following them but he is following them). Girls get home, go inside and the guy goes by at least a couple of times on the motorcycle. (the question about this road being a dead end is a good one). Motorcycle guy gets shot.

There are many ways this could have went down. I personally am going to wait until more information comes out before I am going to condemn this guys actions.

As for hearing only one side of the story in this situation. That is everyones fault involved (including the motorcyclist). Those who say why didn't the girls go to the PD, why didn't the motorcyclist get the license plate info and call the PD?

The only thing that I can say about this with certainty is that there were some bad decisions made and one guy ended up dead.
 
Updated story. http://www.onlineathens.com/stories/022708/news_20080227060.shtml
Seems the motorcyclist was only riding for a month. According to some motorcycle forums he was riding a 250cc motorcycle, a small motrcycle (mine is 1100cc for cmparison). Also seems he was at the Target store for an interview concerning a transfer to that location, he was employed by another Target. After doing some searching on the topic it seems there are reports surfacing that this is not the first shooting incident this shooter was involved in. Details on previous shooting incidents are still not available.
 
We're all praying for Ricky, too, and knowing him the way I know him, he'll blame himself the rest of his life for what happened.
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Good thing too, since it's his fault.

Also: the bikers aren't just on this guy's side because he was a two-wheeler. The guy in the driveway could well have been a preacher for the local motorcycle ministry. The point is, the biker did nothing to justify being shot. As it stands this sounds like an overzealous dad getting wired up about his precious artifact children.

Oh, and for the benefit of those advising memorising the plates... ever actually been in a motorcycle accident? Trust me, you're not in any frame of mind for thought or memory.
 
Im inclined to believe

The biker had been hit, the girls thought nothing of it, and the biker tried to follow them to get insurance information.

The attitude of some of the posters on this thread merely reinforces my opinion.

As someone else said, I have ways of dealing with those who play games with my life. They ALL result in very expensive trips to the body shop.
 
As someone else said, I have ways of dealing with those who play games with my life. They ALL result in very expensive trips to the body shop.
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I sincerely hope we don't next hear of you making a trip to the "body" shop.
Your game is every bit as dangerous.
Ride Safe
 
mattsb2k: his form's not that great, looks like he's flinching... impressive getting that tailstand though. :)
 
does "slpitting the lane" lead to "punching the mirror" ? either way i sounds like he wanted to have a word with the girls father, and got shot for his troubles.
 
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