Me and the schools Here we go again

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Instead of pulling your kids out, SUE THEM. Find a lawyer who will work pro bono and sue them silly. As someone who changed careers briefly to become a teacher and try to make a difference, I left when it got so bad they were passing mentally handicapped kids because it would hurt their feelings to be left back AGAIN, even though, in the third grade they were lower than pre-K.

Sue them over and over again and make them bear the costs and demonstrate how ludicrous their ideals are on the record, reminding the School Board that they are elected.

It is the only way to really get their attention and make them back down
 
Allot of your replies strike home. I do take it to our public officials who hide behind some other "concerned parent" who dictates policy. My younger daughter is not aloud peanut butter and jelly sandwiches because it MIGHT get passed on to an allergic child. The same for chocolate chip cookies as the chips are made in the same factory. Ludicrous, but true.

Sending my child top school bloody, was extreme, but the entire "girls shouldn't learn to shoot", "she's too young", and "you're are raising your kids to be violent" got old real fast. I wanted to send a message that they couldn't miss. When they called my first response was "Don't you think a restroom (where I instructed her to go first off upon arriving) would be a better place to wash her hands (the only part with a trace of anything)?"

My kids are not perfect. For all my oldest's booksmarts she lacks common sense, and my other is the reverse. We have since preschool wanted the younger held back and they refuse saying it is demeaning. Sorry, but it's better done now (or then) than later or letting her discover that the rest of the world doesn't care to baby her through.

My kids love to shoot, and I let them. I dole out the ammo, and they treat it like something precious to be well spent. My oldest just got a box of .410 shells of her own to keep in her room in her rack locked up with a key she had a copy of. She was so proud to graduate to that point. The younger one will be in the same boat probably by the time I return from Afghanistan. It is a reward for showing responsibility that no other thing can equal. I love it when she comes in "daddy there's a groundhog out back, can I have a bullet?"

What bothers me is how much interference I get when my kids learn more from me than the schools about life. My older one can ID most any type of rock and say how it came to be. My younger knows more local plants than her teachers. They can both be counted on to help another child when others ignore them. Sometimes to extremes.

Now they are sleeping after rolling 2 cords of unsplit firewood out of the woods (down hill). We worked hard, but with my AR out there waiting for the first groundhog of the year they spent as much time watching the far end of the fields as rolling. I get to shoot it if they slack and the better behaved one gets to take the shot if they are good. We are all sore, but got time outside together that the school thinks is too much effort for young children. With my younger daughter having broke her arm I can't wait till she shows off how she can roll things with her foot. She just refused to be left out of some of it though mostly she kept me in gas and oil and all of us supplied with drinks. Child abuse I am sure.

If this is bad, imagine in two years when my boy hits the school system. He is too young to shot right now, but it won't be long. He has his own earmuffs and loves to watch and has been out bow hunting with me and his biggest sister.

Oh and this caused a huge fuss when my oldest brought it in to show her friends. Her first deer, Stalked while feeding and shot from 20yds. It went another 20yds slammed into a tree and died. She is unfortunately quite honest in describing the experience, "It looked like a red spray-paint can spraying out" to describe the blood as it ran, and "I shot a dog" referring to its size
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I like how you have been handling things. I don't even want to get started because it is so disturbing to me. Common sense is gone in my daughter's school district also.
The person above recommending lawsuits has the best idea. I wish we had some attorneys here that would have an idea how to approach a lawsuit under these circumstances. Even if one person couldn't afford it maybe if everybody donated a little money it could be done. Or am I dreaming?
 
Keep up the pressure guys. I honestly feel there is a gun/hunting renaissance and awareness occuring in the US. Gun rights are actually on the rise, rather than decline. People are fed up with PC, and this is starting to show in the schools and elsewhere. Just keep fighting, i tihnk it will get better! And i agree with the gentleman who suggested hitting them in the pocket book if this abuse persists. Sorry it has to be this way but they have to learn.
 
For those of us on this board the need to provide the know how to protect and provide for ourselves and our loved ones will never go out of style. It also appears that the schools and the government are out of control of the average citizen these days.:banghead: I will agree that the way to affect change is to hit the them in the pocket book. This tactic has proved a powerful tool to the antis as far as gun control thus far. Let us use their own tools to defeat them and change their warped policies. Sounds like the OP has the best interests of his kids in mind. Do however teach them that the unpopular choice however correct will often have negative consequences by those "in charge". Lead by example and help to change the idiotic policies that are presently enforced.:) As the old Dylan song goes "The times they are a-changin" and we have to aim them in the correct direction with the next generation and what they learn.
 
If your hobby was 4 wheeling, would you feel it appropriate to send her to school after some offroading without washing up, all muddy and scraped up? If your hobby was painting, would you feel it appropriate to send her to school covered in paint, without giving her the chance to clean up first?

I sure would if the school system (or any of it's employees) stepped outside it's boundaries and told myself or my child that offroading or painting was unsafe and irresponsible, and implied that I was a bad parent for allowing/condoning those individual freedoms. I assume that the OP's daughter was not opposed to this - it isn't like he made her do it, even though she wanted to wash up first: It was a conscious decision on her part to help make a point.
 
I too take issue with the idea of going hunting right before school and not being able to clean up. A lot can be said about a person and their attitude by how they visually present themselves. Just as one who does not shave should be looked down upon at a job interview, one who does not clean up before school gives the impression they don't take it seriously.

I'm sorry, but hunting is a leisure activity. School is a serious life requirement. There is no doubt where anyone's priorities should be. I take the same attitude towards kids who are allowed to skip school to go hunting. It tells me they care more about having fun themselves than preparing for the future.

I'm sure your school has a bad attitude towards shooting, and that is inexcusable. But you disrespect yourself, your children, and education in general by planning a hunting trip on a school morning, and not giving her the chance to be fully prepared for what is truly important; school, not hunting.
 
Ragner, I take issue with your comment that hunting is a leisure activity. For some maybe, but for many of us, hunting is a primary food source. Yes, I enjoy hunting, but it is of great importance to my family for food. Further more, it is a way of life that goes way beyong being a leisure activity. Hunting with my kids is about teaching them important skills, such as feeding your family, it is also handing down traditions that have been so important for the human race since the dawn of man.

School, especially of the public variety, has much less importance on the proper developement of a child, than does the family.
 
For those of us on this board the need to provide the know how to protect and provide for ourselves and our loved ones will never go out of style.

This is part of the growing schism between dependence and independence at the level of the individual. Sure, we're social creatures who generally need mutual support in many ways, but the typical American has become increasingly dependent on vast social structures that could potentially collapse at any time during natural disasters, for example, as well as a "gubmint" increasingly based on "We the incumbent elite who know what's best for you." :banghead:

I will agree that the way to affect change is to hit the them in the pocket book. This tactic has proved a powerful tool to the antis as far as gun control thus far. Let us use their own tools to defeat them and change their warped policies.

That should help, but unfortunately we don't get to use the most powerful tool of the antis and other socialists--the one that has allowed such people to take control of entire institutions and preach to a captive, usually receptive (being children in this case) audience: emotional arguments that play on the inherent compassion of decent human beings. We've had to use mostly reason, which has a weak effect on most people, at best.
 
I too like the lawsuit idea. Heck if you can't find an attorney to take it on contingency go into the local court house, and file on them your self if nothing else. Then they have to fire up the lawyers etc. Sure you'll lose, but odds are they'll get real tired of you real quick, and start leaving you and yours alone. Then spread the word of what you've done, and pretty soon the lawsuit allergic school board will be bending over backward to make you happy.
 
My little girl just turned 3 and she has been collecting bullet casings since she was 2. She loves asking a millions question about the out doors and it makes me proud that she wants to be outside learning about stuff that she can touch and feel and not just seeing it on a tv screen. Her grandmother is from cincinnati and she really has no understanding of kentucky and the outdoors we (my wife and daughter and I) live back a long driveway (2200ft)
and my MIL told my wife she doesn't see how we can live back here with there being so many stray bullets flying around in kentucky

hhhhmmmm I bet that the university of cinci. sees alot more gunshot victims per year than little ole henderson ky......but my thing is, education is the key you have to educate those people ......once she saw a bunch of brass laying on the ground and asked me don't you worry about all the lead laying there

I told her that isn't lead its brass ......she thought all of the cartridge was made out of lead......


Thats whats leading our country now .......people that were raised in the inner cities and don't have a clue to the reall world ........and i'm not talking about this supposedly tv reality show crap either
 
Our freezers contain 8 deer, 12 groundhog, 20 or so squirrel, and 15# of pork and poultry. We do not eat beef. So hunting is more than a hobby. Just like heating our house with wood and the multitude of garden canned goods we have in our pantry it is a way we provide for ourselves.

We ask little from our government unless we actually need it. An unbiased education is one of those. My children need the social interaction it brings or they would be home schooled.

Again the sending of my daughter to school "bloody" was a reaction to her treatment for no other reason than that she likes to participate in filling our freezer. How would you react when your kids comes up and tells you that something she loved and you had taught her to do, something you spent time together doing, was wrong and she shouldn't be doing it?

I didn't send her covered in blood and guts. I was careful about that. It was probably less then they get than the mud they get playing in that sinkhole they call a playground. Not blood warpaint on the face and all that. And her clothes were simple Walmart camo coveralls and a camo shirt. In fact, here is the outfit:
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She wanted to pack a groundhog lunch that day too and so guess what kind of sandwich she had?

As far as the violence the schools seem to expect, I have taught them to fight, but they have yet to use the lessons. Once I had my younger daughter come home and tell me she got hit, but did not fight back and I told her that she would probably get hit again, but let the school handle the other kids that time. Next time she knows better. Start a fight- I spank you. Defend yourself- I will defend you. Keep hitting after the fight (beating down the other kid if you know what I mean)- I spank you again.

I do my best as a father and raise my kids to do things for themselves. In a world over run with video games, TV, and computers, it is hard at times to keep them interested in activities that actually require effort and failure is common. Now I am leaving for a year and coming back to a teenager (or shortly there after) and a preteen, that will have been influenced by the school and that scares me more than the deployment.
 
Wow. That is some pretty good learning there. Your kids will be fine. My buddy just sent his oldest to public school for the first time in middle school. He was terrified she would pick up lessons of this world and that the liberal school system, media, and such would change her. However, you will likely find what he did. You have spent the time with them, taught them life lessons and those are so ingrained to who they are that they will weather the storm and be stronger for it.

I cannot fathom leaving my kids for a year or more as you have to and I cannot fully express the gratitude and respect I have for those such as yourself who are the reason we have the rights we do still have. Your kids will survive the year and you will find the lessons you gave them will stand the test your absence will give them.

That being said, I like the legal route. Things got where they are by liberals suing the system into this PC pile of garbage it has become today. They are so scared of being sued that it is all they respond to. So suing them back is about the only recourse we have. Pulling your kids will pretty much just remove the problem for them. Of course, the flip side is keeping them there exposes them to more of this garbage. My wife is a state certified teacher and we have been REALLY considering the home school option. In NC they push "character education" which to me was always called "parenting" and was my job. Especially considering the folks in government who design the "character education" content are not qualified to define character for anyone.

I have 4 girls and our schools are fun to say the least. In kindergarten they had a boy who was trying to kiss all the girls. They asked us, actually asked us if we wanted the police involved. On a kindergartner! I told them we might want to be a bit less insane, tell his parents about what happened and let them handle it. Guess what, they tried that radical approach and we managed to fix the problem without needing to slap cuffs on the boy.

Not sure if anyone here has seen the movie Gattica but I can see us rapidly slipping into that type of society. It is really enough for me to buy a few hundred acres build a shack and drop out of the rat race.
 
I'm fairly confident the type of people who bus their kids to public schools are not the same kind of people who need to hunt to survive. And that would indeed place hunting into the leisure activity category.
I live in a rural area where hunting is commonplace and the school bus makes its rounds daily. That's not unusual in Georgia. I regret to admit that hunting is the only way some of these families eat meat in this economy. For some, the kids would not attend school but for busing.

Let's call it a leisure activity of necessity.:rolleyes:
 
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What I want to know is where the H*!! the school gets off telling you what is "appropriate behavior" for your child!:fire:
Best,
Rob
 
A "school" that's only interested in turning mind numbed serfs and commies will get no respect and should be treated with as much distain needed to get the point across.

A School seeking to turn out whip smart critical thinkers will get my respect and 100% backing and support.

Big difference.
 
The teacher admonished him, explaining to my very confused 6 year old that we can't draw a cross because it might hurt someones feelings
And we know who they might be, don't we?
Of course, a drawing of a minaret would be just fine, I'll bet.
I would have been at the next school board meeting.
What if we had taken a picture if front of church. Are we to remove the cross in the picture before we could show it to anyone?

Fight back, they won't stop at this.
 
gdcpony,

First of all, God bless you for serving our country! Second, our public school system has become the product of the socialistic agenda that the left has been pushing since the 60's and 70's. Slowly they have been taking over institutions such as public schools and it's gotten way out of hand. The only thing we can do is fight it and try to change it from the top. Your vote counts!
 
Sending the kid to school bloody was a self-marginalizing act on your part. Basically, you labeled yourself as a crank.
Education is controlled at the local level. Start attending board meetings. Get on the agenda and present your concerns politely and sanely. Do not show up for the meeting in hunting clothes or with bloody hands.
Consider running for school board.
Remember that the people at THR have no influence on any of this. Convincing us of anything is pointless. Spend your time and energy where it will get results.
 
Hurray for you! Back pressure over these simple minded rules IS policy reform. We (this country) were/was BORN with a rebel mentality, and the questioning and resistance to authority. Keep on them, for the sake of every other person, to keep our society and school free of narrow, yet foolish, minds.
 
BTW, fF you do go to the local board meetings. Try showing up in your dress uniform. Make darn sure everyone in there knows who they are talking to. Before they go assuming you are a redneck and dismiss you, let them get an idea of who you are and what you do for this country.

I would bet you would turn some heads pretty quickly.
 
Hi Gouranga,

Try showing up in your dress uniform.

Don't forget the decorations! My last year at public school the 'teacher' told us the Vietnam era soldiers where trained to kill without thought or morality. I came home and told my Dad the lesson nearly in tears. He told me not to worry he would take care of it.

The next day, nine men marched into my classroom in Vietnam era uniforms representing the Army, Marines and Navy and all with Vietnam service ribbons. My father ordered them to parade rest then walked up the teacher and asked- (respectfully request was the term he used) for equal time on description of their training.

The teacher had no objections.
 
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