Meh, not too bad Newsweek article: "Can a liberal learn to love guns?"

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Oct. 4 - I had just heard the news last week that the House had voted to repeal Washington, D.C.’s strict ban on handguns, so I did what any self-respecting, gun-hating liberal New York Jewish journalist would do: I went to the nearest rifle range to blast some lead.

This would not have been my first instinct, of course. No, my first reaction would have been to write Rep. Tom DeLay (R-Tex) an angry letter about the latest vote—as well as last month’s failure to reinstate the assault-weapon ban. But given that the National Rifle Association "Victory Fund" gave DeLay $4,950 last year and I gave DeLay $0,000 last year, I didn’t think he’d take my anti-gun argument seriously.

So I fell back on Plan B: Learn how to stop worrying and just love firearms.

I knew I couldn’t do it alone. I mean, with apologies to my rifle-toting, camo-wearing Israeli cousins, there is nothing quite as incongruous as a Jew and a gun. This Jew, for example, once jumped out of his chair when a small-town police chief unholstered his gun and put it on the table during an interview. He might as well have pulled out a venomous snake as far as I was concerned.

Fortunately, I have a gun nut pal named Paul Raynolds—and a nicer guy, you won’t find in this country. We started exchanging e-mails a while ago after I wrote a column that was critical of guns. I don’t remember the details, but if I know me, I wrote something to the effect that all guns should be banned and that federal agents, preferably the same guys who worked Ruby Ridge and Waco, should be sent door-to-door to remove guns from private citizens’ houses and melt them down in huge bonfires. I must have said something like "People don’t kill people, guns kill people." I probably even called guns "maniacal, mini-murder machines."

As you might imagine, I got a lot of hate mail from gun owners, many of whom wanted to demonstrate the beauty of a 9 mm Glock pistol…on my head.

But Paul Raynolds said no such thing. As an American, he knows that I’m entitled to my opinion, however anti-gun it is. What bothered Paul, though, was that I had some of my facts wrong (how was I supposed to know that revolvers and howitzers aren’t the same thing?). Paul just wanted to correct my errors—as well as invite me to fire some guns and learn about them firsthand.

This was an offer I could not refuse. After all, as a tabloid reporter in New York City, I find I’m always writing about guns, whether it’s the 9 mm pistols carried by our men in blue or the assault weapons, Saturday Night Specials or sawed-off shotguns preferred by our criminals. And I’m always making mistakes about them. The other day, I interchanged the word "shotgun" and "rifle" in a story. It was a dumb mistake for which I should have been shot—except I didn’t know which gun would work best.

So I accepted Paul’s offer, and the next thing I knew, I was in his suburban New Jersey basement, where he’d laid out three guns that scared me to just look at them: a .357 revolver, a silver .22 and a sleek black 9 mm.

"My wife’s gun," he said, making me feel about as manly as a castrato singing Sondheim showtunes in a nice frilly dress. "You’ll like the .22, though. It’s fun and challenging." (It still made me nervous: If a gun is "challenging," isn’t that a good enough reason to deny people the ability to own one?)

Paul took me through an abbreviated safety course, but the only words I heard were "dire consequences," "deadly force," "keep the muzzle away from you at all times" and "walk with a limp the rest of your life." We reviewed such things as "trigger finger protocol" and "sight alignment," yet I remained convinced that my shaky hands would soon be responsible for a criminally negligent homicide or at least an accidental manslaughter.

On the way to the range, I tried to do what few liberals ever attempt: I tried to understand the gun-owner’s mentality. (Full disclosure: I’m so liberal that the "Dean Scream" sounded like a whimper to me, but you won’t hear me challenging the Second Amendment. No matter where you put the comma, I think it’s pretty clear that the Framers wanted us to be able to bear arms.) And Paul makes it easy to like a gun-nut. He doesn’t keep loaded firearms around the house. He doesn’t get his kicks out of shooting living things. He doesn’t show off.

But he does say things like, "I would only use an assault rifle if civil order had broken down and I needed to defend myself." (By comparison, the only thing I fear breaking down is the soft-serve machine at my local Carvel.) And he also says things like, "A loaded gun is the most effective self-defense tool available" (although I suggested that a more-effective tool is the famous "Kuntzman unconditional surrender"). And he really does believe that if everyone was armed, there would be less violent crime in America (there are many statistics that bear this out, but there are other statistics that don’t, which explains the expression, "Damn statistics!").

I don’t agree with him on any of those points, but I’ll allow Paul his opinion because he’s so darn safe with firearms. His concern for safety made me feel bad that non-gun owners like me stigmatize people like him simply because they enjoy the company of a deadly weapon. "The vast majority of firearm owners are as responsible, if not more so, than I am about safety," he said, complaining that non-gun people simply can’t accept that a "responsible gun owner" is not an oxymoron. "Often there is no distinction made between us and those who are not responsible—criminals. We’re not about shooting people."

They are, however, about shooting things. Once at the range, Paul set me up and let me fire away. I’m not going to say it was fun—gun ranges are loud, especially when there’s a woman in the next bay going ballistic with a 9 mm, and sometimes the hot shell casings pop up into your face—but Paul showed me that I could fire the weapon without killing anyone nearby. In fact, even he was impressed by my heretofore-untapped natural gift for shooting.

"You demonstrated a proficiency with the .22 that was well above average," he said. "I noticed that you had an involuntary flinch whenever the woman next to us fired, but this is natural for first-timers on the range and I wouldn’t worry about it if I were you."

I’m not. Unless civil order breaks down, that is. I’d imagine that would be pretty loud.



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6173343/site/newsweek/
 
Surprisingly even-handed, even with this attitude.

I mean, with apologies to my rifle-toting, camo-wearing Israeli cousins, there is nothing quite as incongruous as a Jew and a gun. This Jew, for example, once jumped out of his chair when a small-town police chief unholstered his gun and put it on the table during an interview. He might as well have pulled out a venomous snake as far as I was concerned.

Leaves no doubt where this writer would've stood had be been in the Warsaw Ghetto in WWII.

Someone should introduce him to JPFO.
 
Gotta give 'em credit. Much more open minded than my anti-gun Republican friends and family.
 
I think "Paul" also gives us all a good example of how best to start winning this fight. I would not be at all surprised if Paul is one of our number here at THR. This is a great example of how keeping the discourse civil, no matter what the opposition says, can help us start to win the fight.
 
Some of the lines in that article almost made my head explode. Kuntzman IS the typical hoplophobic NY Jew. Except....

Except that he is open-minded. He understands what the 2nd Amendment means, even if he doesn't like it, and had enough guts to actually try to participate in activities that made his skin crawl. He also didn't mind having his misconceptions proven wrong. Oh, how I wish that other anti-gunners were so open-minded. If so, it would be a simple matter to convert most of them to our side or to some truly reasonable middle position, and we'd be able to forever safeguard our RKBA.

That all being said, this Jew is not at all afraid of guns (at least ones not pointed at me). I have a bunch, and I have them not just because of a perceived need, but because I enjoy shooting. Not all Jews are like Kuntzman, despite the image that Chuck Schumer presents to the world. I do what Kuntzman's friend Paul does every chance I get - I try to destroy misconceptions and to challenge people to learn about guns by doing. I have succeeded with 2 young people, and one of them even has a target from our day at the range hung up on her bedroom wall. I'll continue Kim DuToit's mission of making America a Nation of Rifleman...one citizen at a time.
 
Kuntzman is typical of the anti's I've introduced to guns over the years:
Scared of guns, misinformed and without real facts to back up their positions.

Once I introduce the hoplophobe to a Browning HP or 10/22 they take on the Chuckie Shumer Perma Grin and can't wait to blast up all my ammo.


I can't say these people offically join the John Birch society after some
range time but the pro gun seed is nonetheless planted in their minds.

At this point I don't give a rats posterior if I change anyones political views
as long as the gun issue is shown in a proper light.
 
I don’t remember the details, but if I know me, I wrote something to the effect that all guns should be banned and that federal agents, preferably the same guys who worked Ruby Ridge and Waco, should be sent door-to-door to remove guns from private citizens’ houses and melt them down in huge bonfires.

No.

No no no.

A Jew did not seriously advocate supporting an agency famous for attempting to disarm a religious sect before gassing and burning them.

No one could possibly be that out of touch with history, surely?

Still, it sounds like he might have come around a bit, but I'm simply agog.

-Ogre
 
We need to create a national "Take an anti to the range" day. Preferably using the coolest-looking hardware you have.
 
We need to create a national "Take an anti to the range" day. Preferably using the coolest-looking hardware you have.

Nah, the job of getting people hooked on guns is best left to SIGs, despite their uninspiring lines.

;)
 
I mean, with apologies to my rifle-toting, camo-wearing Israeli cousins, there is nothing quite as incongruous as a Jew and a gun.

More proof that NYC is on another planet.
 
It drives me crazy when journalists make such stupid errors about guns. It's all there in the AP stylebook if they will just consult it, which they are supposed to use.
 
I like this guy. Yea yea, he's a gun hating liberal. I don't like that part. However... He listened to a person that sent him feedback on his article, he acknowledged his lack of knowledge, he went to a range, admitted how important safety was to gunnies, etc etc.

All and all, I'd say this was an especially good article for our side. An article screaming about "blissninnies", "Damn liberals", and suggestions on what should be done to said blissninny damn liberals would be worth a chuckle to our side, but effectively do nothing.

There are things called "tact and diplomacy". It means you play to win, not play to feel good. Sometimes we have to be nice and polite to the blissninny damn liberals, and show them how rational we are. By doing so, we make them seem like lunatics in need of a headcheck. Most average Americans, when I quote Feinstein's feelings about the Second Amendment, think she's a wack job.
 
I think it was a good article for the pro gun side that more or less shows
that one is afraid of things because one doesn't understand them, and I'll second the motion that taking an "anti" to the range should be used as a dissemination point.

Understand that not many months ago I did not own any firearms and had the idea that having them in the house with me might possibly put my family at risk, and as far as my concept of the AWB - who needs an assault rifle? I didn't see any problem with that law, based on my understanding
of the issues which was weak.

So, in conclusion, many people who seem against guns and gun ownership are just plain uninformed and incorrectly informed.

cheers, js
 
there is nothing quite as incongruous as a Jew and a gun.

Someone should point him to the JPFO.

Have to give him credit to being open minded though. Both to being open minded to criticism from a reader with the opposing view point as well as to try out the thing he detests and then to honestly reevaluate his preconceptions. Chuckie Schumer might have a devilish good time squeezing off 30 from a Tec-9 but he is all about denying the rights of anyone else to do so too.
 
There is a great quote by Churchill that I read in a book once about mankind being incapable of learning from history. I've been trying to find it for a few years now.

He said it in the late 30s as England and the West was doing nothing against Hitler's aggression.

I wish I could find it. It suits our age so well.
 
Siegfried,

Thanks for posting the article.

I sent him the following note: (everyone should send him one!)

Gersh,

I read your Newsweek article online at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6173343/site/newsweek/

I'm glad you are open minded enough to expose yourself to circumstances and knowledge to which you have a stated aversion. In the end, you seem to have truly enlightened yourself. For this I am glad, and I hope you will continue to enlighten yourself AND others.

You said "I mean, with apologies to my rifle-toting, camo-wearing Israeli cousins, there is nothing quite as incongruous as a Jew and a gun."

Why Jews should hate/despise guns any more than people of any other religion is beyond me, however. If you or fellows of like mind have come to your way of thinking because of the Nazis, you need to do some research into the laws of Nazi Germany which allowed the "cleansing" to take place, and compare them to the "development" of US laws as "solutions" to various problems.

I strongly suggest that you check out http://jpfo.org/, and read up. I know two Jews who are members of JPFO.

A firearm is nothing more than a piece of metal designed to expel a projectile(s) - the use to which one puts a firearm is entirely dependent on the intent and skill of the user. A firearm is no more EVIL than a knife, a baseball bat, or a car unless it is used in an evil, destructive manner. USAGE, not the presence of an object, is what creates evil.


BB62, Accountant
NRA Life Member, CCW Holder, NRA Certified Instructor
 
I e-mailed him, too, to introduce him to JFPO.

I got 2 replies:

1) Saw that website, thanks!

GERSH

2) PS: I hope I didn't offend anyone. I was just making a joke about my
upbringing.

GERSH

Sounds like he was not entirely serious with the "incongruous Jew/gun" thing.
 
He sounds like a cool guy, for a liberal east-coaster ;)

I e-mailed him and gave him the URL of this thread so that he can immerse himself in the essence of Hoppes #9.

That reminds me, Quick !!!, everybody go back and edit out all of the nasty stuff you wrote about him...

- - - - - - - -

Good. Good. That's much better. I told him that we at THR were forced by dominating moderators to be nice to people.

Rick
 
That's a good idea BB62......Thanks. I sent him this note;

Mr Kuntzman-

I recently read your article in Newsweek titled "Can a liberal learn to love guns?", and I wanted to take the time to let you know how refreshing it was to see such a piece appear in a news outlet like Newsweek. Most articles found in the mainstream media outlets are fanatically anti-gun and profoundly distorted. As a long-time firearm enthusiast and unapologetic gun rights advocate, these tend to be deeply offensive to me.

Conscious of the fact that I'm ultimately responsible for my safety, I choose to carry a concealed handgun. This is a personal choice, and one that I'm happy that my state recognizes and allows (in fact Washington is among the most accomodating states for concealed carry). As you accurately note however, carrying a gun isn't for everyone, and your fair and balanced stance is laudable.

Keep up the good work, and if you ever want to go shooting again and you find yourself in Washington, feel free to look me up.

Siegfried Geringer

P.S. I may have inadvertently sent a blank message prior to this one....my apologies.
 
Good for him. I hope he continues to be committed to accuracy when he writes about guns -- I don't care that he's not (yet) on our side, but care very much whether he or any other journalist distorts facts to make a point.

pax

Treat the media as you would any other watchdog. Stay calm, be friendly, let them sniff your hand, and never turn your back. -- Amy Sprinkles
 
After all, as a tabloid reporter in New York City, I find I’m always writing about guns, whether it’s the 9 mm pistols carried by our men in blue or the assault weapons, Saturday Night Specials or sawed-off shotguns preferred by our criminals.
Did this quote jump out to anyone else? It seems like he's slipping a comment in that criminals use assault weapons to commit crime, therefore supporting an AWB.

I hate to stereotype, but I've read a few articles by liberals that seem to be giving ground on one part of a subject, then they slyly insert an opinion stated matter-of-factly. In other words, the Newsweek author is saying, "Yeah, you're right, these handguns aren't so bad; they're not like those assault weapons we all acknowledge are dangerous."

Am I reading too much into this here? :)
 
...there is nothing quite as incongruous as a Jew and a gun.

Six million of his co-religionists died last century because, with a handful of extremely courageous exceptions, they didn't have sense enough to fight back.

I believe leftists can learn to enjoy shooting; whether they'll ever respect freedom, however, is altogether a different proposition.
 
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