Military Calibers and Countries that Ban Them.

[94045]

I remember seeing a post where someone from France said he owned a .300 H&H Magnum because he couldn't own a Military Caliber (30/06).

So my question is does everyone in France that owns a 6.5 Creedmoor (Not a lot I know) now have to divest themselves of it since the 6.5 Creedmoor will be replacing some 7.62x51 Sniper Rifles in the US Military?

I wonder if those type bans only apply to the local military or worldwide?

 

[Curator]

Many South and Central American countries ban "military" caliber cartridges for civilian ownership in an effort to prevent the theft and black market sales of military stores. Columbia and Panama banned 9mm parabellum guns and cartridges when they adopted that caliber for their military forces. Doing this, they relaxed the ban on .45 ACP guns and cartridges. Europe is a whole other world! Some of their restrictions are due to treaties at the end of WWII. The Czech republic seems to have bumped into this when relaxing restrictions on civilian ownership of firearms while still being a member of the European Union.

 

[Art Eatman]

No military cartridges for hunting in Mexico.

 

[George P]

Most European countries do not allow civilian ownership of military cartridges

 

[Mizar]

So my question is does everyone in France that owns a 6.5 Creedmoor (Not a lot I know) now have to divest themselves of it since the 6.5 Creedmoor will be replacing some 7.62x51 Sniper Rifles in the US Military?

And France is related to the US by what exactly? Furthermore, France does not prohibit guns in military calibers to be owned by civilians...

 

[Riomouse911]

The Mexican ban on 1911 .45s is a huge reason the .38 Super is a hit in the 1911 down there.... for the very select few who can own them of course.

Stay safe!

 

[cdb1]

The Mexican ban on 1911 .45s is a huge reason the .38 Super is a hit in the 1911 down there.... for the very select few who can own them of course.

Stay safe!

This, I believe if it was not for Mexico the .38 Super wouldn’t be around today.

 

[Riomouse911]

Ya, that makes sense. It wasn’t very popular among law agencies, and it took quite a while before the Super found favor with competition shooters.

Stay safe!

 

[94045]

Ya, that makes sense. It wasn’t very popular among law agencies, and it took quite a while before the Super found favor with competition shooters.

Stay safe!

I've read where some Federal Agents used it during Prohibition because the .45 ACP didn't penetrate well through car bodies. Whether this is fact or conjecture I don't know.

 

[eastbank]

when in the service in the mid 60,s at ft.sam huston san Antonio, we went to mexico to meet the women at boys town and several of the police had gussed up 1911,s in 38 super. I looked at one up close and it was silver-chromed plated and had silver grips, boy it sure was a good looker.

 

[CapnMac]

Such laws are mostly for show.
Not enough difference in 9longo versus 9x19 to matter; ditto rifle calibers.
And, as we already know, criminals are not much bothered by laws in the first place.

 

[Vern Humphrey]

I've read where some Federal Agents used it during Prohibition because the .45 ACP didn't penetrate well through car bodies. Whether this is fact or conjecture I don't know.

That was the reason the .38 Super was developed. And the reason the .38-44 (which morphed into the .357) was developed. The .38 Super, of course, is simply the old .38 ACP loaded to high pressure in a gun capable of handling the pressure.

 

[Ignition Override]

Some of this info is from watching guys with Youtube channels in the listed countries.
7.62x39 AKs and VZ-58s are legal in Germany, Czech Republic, Slovenia, Estonia and maybe a few other countries.

Recently, a German citizen either on THR or a similar website stated that Germany recently made civilian AKs legal.
A gun shop in downtown Interlaken Switzerland (about two years ago) allowed me to handle a WASR, which must have been legal to own. They appeared to have a few AR-15s, but don't know the ARs' chambering.

The UK requires every rifle to operate as a bolt action, and with modified Mini 14s etc being legal (pulling the bolt each shot), it seems to be a reasonable conclusion that the Mini's .223 ammo is also legal…..

 

[Mizar]

Something for all to consider, especially when it comes to Europe - when a country bans military calibers from civilian ownership those are the calibers used by their own military, not any military caliber in general, so those "AKs" and WASRs you saw are perfectly fine to be sold there even if such ban is present. In most of the EU a full-auto assault rifle, converted to fire single auto only was legal to own until recently, but with the new law not anymore. But, a semi-auto rifle with design based on a full-auto assault rifle is OK to own as long as it's built from the scratch as a semi only - AR 15, AK-type rifles (NOT AKs) and etc. Furthermore, we must differentiate military calibers from their civilian counterparts - for example, in Italy it's legal for a civilian to own a .223 Win, or .308 Win rifle, while rifles chambered for 5.56x45 and 7.62x51 are forbidden.

P.S. UK bans civilian ownership of semi-auto rifles in central fire calibers only, so a .22 LR semi rifle is perfectly legal to own.

 

[mustanger98]

I've read where some Federal Agents used it during Prohibition because the .45 ACP didn't penetrate well through car bodies. Whether this is fact or conjecture I don't know.

Capt. Frank Hamer, Texas Rangers... M1911 .38Super backed up by S&W TripleLock .44Spl.

 

[NickEllis]

Mizar got it right. OP's premise is wrong: just because it's a military round somewhere doesn't mean it's considered a military round in that country.

So yes, Brazil has a military round ban. But only for calibres that are issued by the Brazilian military. 6.5 Creedmore? Not issue by the Brazilian military.