dogtown tom
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Only an idiot would ship a $600 item without Signature on Delivery or insurance.
Missing upper receiver via USPS
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GBExpat
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Nice.
I recently had a rather expensive firearm delivered to my FFL via insured priority mail with adult signature required. It was addressed to me care of the FFL. I received a notification that it had been delivered to the FFL and signed for by me! Turns out it was in a package box in the FFL's neighborhood, so apparently the mail carrier signed using my name.
If the item was not insured, then I think you are out of luck. It is my understanding (from working in shipping in the past) that it is generally at the carrier's discretion whether or not to leave it without an actual recipient present, but that the carrier is generally responsible if it is not actually received (unless you sign for it to be left). Unfortunately for you, they are only responsible up to the insured amount plus postage, which it sounds like is nothing in this case. I have also heard that making any kind of claim with USPS is much harder and more likely to go nowhere than making one with UPS or FedEx.
If the item was not insured, then I think you are out of luck. It is my understanding (from working in shipping in the past) that it is generally at the carrier's discretion whether or not to leave it without an actual recipient present, but that the carrier is generally responsible if it is not actually received (unless you sign for it to be left). Unfortunately for you, they are only responsible up to the insured amount plus postage, which it sounds like is nothing in this case. I have also heard that making any kind of claim with USPS is much harder and more likely to go nowhere than making one with UPS or FedEx.
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badkarmamib
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I have had a few pieces of mail show up at my house for the right number, wrong street. If I know where it goes, I will go put it in their mailbox. Same could have happened to you.
Ghost In The Fog
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I don't know about where the OP lives and the local laws as far as opening a car door to leave a package but I was told where I live, that someone reaching over the side of my pickup truck to steal something is the same as breaking in. Once their dirty little hand goes over the top of the bed it is illegal. Maybe you can use that angle?
Sounds like you are screwed. I haven't used PayPal for a really long time- it seems to me you were taking a big chance to start with buying an upper using a company that wants nothing to do with gun parts. I stopped using PP a long time ago.
I hope you get it figured out soon.
Hanzo581
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While this is very harsh, it's true. I mean not only did they bypass better services like UPS or FedEx to save a couple bucks, they cheaped out on necessary features.
I hope you get this resolved OP but this might end up being an expensive lesson learned.
Stevie-Ray
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Had an argument with the USPS over a free knife I was supposed to get from the NRA. The cheap packaging the NRA provided was nothing but a flimsy envelope with minimal bubble wrap inside. I'm sure you could feel that it was a knife. It appeared the carrier (or somebody else at USPS) slit the side of the envelope, removed the knife, and resealed it with tape. Then delivered the envelope empty. Even though free, I was incensed over the unmitigated gall demonstrated. It was made worse when I was told, "No, I'm sure nobody at the USPS took your knife."
BSA1
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Left in a car......
Post office says they cant find it, they don't accept ups packages.
Ups says its delivered to that post office even though they don't deliver to post offices.
That is a flat out lie by UPS. I frequently get packages delivered by USPS (US Mail) that were originally shipped via UPS. They are usually small packages although on Monday I had a heavy box containing 1,000 bullets crammed into my mailbox. Anyway apparently UPS and FedEx don't like driving 3 1/2 miles past my small town to deliver packages.
Postal and UPS said I couldn't start the claim because I didn't ship the package.
True. Technically the shipper is suffering the loss because you never received the package.
If it was shipped Priority Mail then the package is automatically insured for $100.00.
Just to play devils advocate what makes you think the seller actually shipped the part to you? He didn't buy extra insurance or require adult signature.
I also think the shipper has to start the process for tracking the package. I goofed last Christmas and wrote the wrong address on the package I sent to my son. He tried to track the package by USPS told him I had too. Interesting enough when I called to track the package they had already located it and was returning it to me.
Post office says they cant find it, they don't accept ups packages.
Ups says its delivered to that post office even though they don't deliver to post offices.
That is a flat out lie by UPS. I frequently get packages delivered by USPS (US Mail) that were originally shipped via UPS. They are usually small packages although on Monday I had a heavy box containing 1,000 bullets crammed into my mailbox. Anyway apparently UPS and FedEx don't like driving 3 1/2 miles past my small town to deliver packages.
Postal and UPS said I couldn't start the claim because I didn't ship the package.
True. Technically the shipper is suffering the loss because you never received the package.
If it was shipped Priority Mail then the package is automatically insured for $100.00.
Just to play devils advocate what makes you think the seller actually shipped the part to you? He didn't buy extra insurance or require adult signature.
I also think the shipper has to start the process for tracking the package. I goofed last Christmas and wrote the wrong address on the package I sent to my son. He tried to track the package by USPS told him I had too. Interesting enough when I called to track the package they had already located it and was returning it to me.
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BSA1
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PM me your address and I will send you my free NRA knife free of charge.
dogtown tom
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Every carrier (UPS, FedEx and USPS) permits either the shipper or recipient to initiate a claim for loss or damage. Says it right there on their websites.
Hanzo581
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It may say that, but I have always been told to contact the shipper and have them start the process.
This.
buck460XVR
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It started out bad......I would have hesitated the minute the seller gave me that runaround.
While this is harsh, I agree with Hanzo581, about it being true. With the runaround the seller gave to start out with, one could have almost seen things continuing downhill. Not taking insurance or requiring a signature on $600 item was just asking for more trouble, especially when using paypal and you could not dispute if there was an issue.
I hope Wisco gets resolve......either his money or his upper. Reporting it stolen will just help to confirm the item was actually delivered, and odds are, what will that help as the value of the stolen item is probably not even the deductible on the OPs homeowner insurance. Doubt if the seller will cough up his money....especially since he was quite shady about the transaction to start with.
Reloadron
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That is mildly understated. My wife Kathy buys quite a bit through Amazon. She also tracks everything and even USPS Sunday deliveries are not unusual. One Sunday she sees a package as "delivered" it sure was not delivered here? Called post office who said driver left it beside mail box which is out front on the tree lawn, we were home all day and they never knocked.. No package so she called or emailed Amazon. They shipped another. About a week later a girl several doors down stops over and says she has a package for Kathy. What was once lost is now found. Of course the package had been opened and gone through and likely the only reason we ever got it was it was stuff for the dogs and they don't have a dog. Here in the greater Cleveland, Ohio suburbs the USPS is a train wreck of incompetence. Called Amazon and wanted to be charged since we eventually did get the stuff, they just said keep it.
While this was just some dog stuff it could easily have been something of value. When I send anything of value to someone I insure it! Had that package been something of real value we likely never would have seen it and this was not an isolated instance. Another local problem is people following mail trucks, UPS trucks and FedEx trucks and literally stealing deliveries. Several stupid enough to be caught on peoples security cameras. So we have local theives as well as an incompetent postal branch. Before we retired we had things delivered to my wife's work place.
Then there was the toaster oven but that is another USPS screw up for another day.
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Here is the gist. First off the post office knows exactly where the address when the item was scanned. the Post Master can look it up on google maps and it will show exactly on the map where it was delivered. I know this from working as a letter carrier and retired after 42 years. The Usps system knows when a carrier stops, it puts a dot on the map for every so many seconds you stay there. It will even show if you walk around the truck to load and unload it if they zoom up on the map.
steve the mailman
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Had that happen with a replacement Rem 1100 barrel. Showed shipped/delivered but I never got it. About a month later a neighbor a few houses down went out a door going into his garage that he hardly ever used. There was my barrel.You might get lucky and a neighbor will find you and ask about a strange package found in their car. I have had several packages left on my doorstep for a neighbor that were clearly marked for his address (his number is clearly on his house) and left sitting directly under my address number next to my front door.Ya gotta wonder who they hire!! Anyway once FED-EX left a Haz-Mat package of mine containing16 LBS of propellant and 5K primers on my employers doorstep on a Friday (long after the shop was closed) evening that I found by accident at around noon the next day after it had rained on it all night. Said they had an adult signature on it and was not their problem.
Ghost In The Fog
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We are semi-rural bordering a big city- My wife and I were driving on one of the back roads and we watched as a USPS mail lady put a large package at the base of a mailbox located right along the road. The house is several hundred yards from the mailbox. This road carries a lot of traffic. My wife's comment was I sure hope there is nothing important in that package.
I have no idea if it was still there or not- That is just screaming "STEAL ME"
I have no idea if it was still there or not- That is just screaming "STEAL ME"
Cannibul
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I'm damn glad I retired before that crap started.
TRX
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> The police report will help document the event.
It might not do the OP, personally, but thefts like that are usually either a neighbood or USPS employee thief, and they usually do it until they get caught. But not much will happen with a single incident. If a pattern of thefts can be established, they might at least get their hand slapped.
It'd be worth circulating among the neighbors and telling them you had a a package stolen - you don't have to say what was in it - and tell them they might want to be careful. And you might find you're not the only one who has had things go missing. Which would be worth a follow-up for the police report.
It might not do the OP, personally, but thefts like that are usually either a neighbood or USPS employee thief, and they usually do it until they get caught. But not much will happen with a single incident. If a pattern of thefts can be established, they might at least get their hand slapped.
It'd be worth circulating among the neighbors and telling them you had a a package stolen - you don't have to say what was in it - and tell them they might want to be careful. And you might find you're not the only one who has had things go missing. Which would be worth a follow-up for the police report.
Salmoneye
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It has nothing to do with UPS or FedEx not wanting to drive by your town...
The UPS/USPS service is called "UPS SurePost"...The item is carried by UPS from point of origin to the destination town, and then turned over to the local USPS for final delivery...
If you have an issue with this particular service, make sure whoever you are buying from doesn't send your items 'SurePost'...
This has happened to me several times, although not with firearms.
Maybe USPS gives the carrier credit if they "intend" to deliver it, but actually don't.
FROGO207
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UPS = Universal Package Smashers Or so it usually seems around here.
Or so it usually seems around here.
BSA1
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UPS doesn't seem to have "an issue" with making deliveries in the two small towns both 3 1/2 miles from where I live. Apparently they do have "an issue" with turning off of the highway and driving 1/2 mile down the dirt road to my house.
The packages that are delivered by UPS ALWAYS take up to several days longer then USPS.
I rely on USPS as much as possible for packages and always specify or choose that option when placing a order.
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