Manedwolf
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A few years ago, yes, the Glocks might have been priced about right. But these days, you can get a lot more gun for the same money from someone else.
Most overated Handgun?
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A few years ago, yes, the Glocks might have been priced about right. But these days, you can get a lot more gun for the same money from someone else.
MCgunner
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In my opinion Heckler und Koch handguns are overrated.
Manedwolf
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Well, that's just JMB worship.
I'm surprised that people haven't yet started some sort of belief system revolving around a prophecy of, at the 100-year anniversary, JMB communicating the plans for the M2011 from the great beyond.
robertbank
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FN Hi-Power. The gun was marketed in the USA as a Browning Hi-Power and labelled as such. Legions of Hi-Power fans in the US continue to believe the gun was designed by JMB, ignoring the fact he died 8 years before the final design by Sauve was put in production. I have three and they are good guns but several designs have passed it by including the SIG, CZ and a host of other 9MM IMHO.
A fellow on the 1911 Forum asked why the Browning Hi-Powers were being produced in Belgium...now and not in the US. Pure marketing.
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A fellow on the 1911 Forum asked why the Browning Hi-Powers were being produced in Belgium...now and not in the US. Pure marketing.
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'Card
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I don't think you could call the 1911's over-rated. People who talk about 1911's want to talk about history, and legends, and a beautiful design, and a comfortable familiar feel. None of that is hype. It's all perfectly true. Now, if someone tried to play up a 1911 based on performance, then you'd call that over-rating it.
You have to think of the 1911's the way you'd think of a Harley-Davidson. No one buys a Harley for the performance, or the reliability, or the technology, or the innovations, or the speed. Just like the Harley, the 1911 isn't over-rated because people who buy them know exactly what they're getting - style over substance. Looks over performance. Image over function.
So when it comes to being over-rated? Gotta be the Glock. Why? Because the non-shooting public's perception of the Glock has gotten so far out of whack that people think it has some lethal ability that actually surpasses the round it's firing. You'll never see a media talking head say "The victim was shot 3 times with a 1911". They'll say, "The victim was shot 3 times with a 45 caliber handgun." But if the perpetrator was caught with a Glock, then it's "The victim was shot three times with a Glock!" - without even mentioning the caliber - as if somehow the fact that the bullet came out of a sinister Glock made it more deadly than a normal bullet from a normal gun.
You have to think of the 1911's the way you'd think of a Harley-Davidson. No one buys a Harley for the performance, or the reliability, or the technology, or the innovations, or the speed. Just like the Harley, the 1911 isn't over-rated because people who buy them know exactly what they're getting - style over substance. Looks over performance. Image over function.
So when it comes to being over-rated? Gotta be the Glock. Why? Because the non-shooting public's perception of the Glock has gotten so far out of whack that people think it has some lethal ability that actually surpasses the round it's firing. You'll never see a media talking head say "The victim was shot 3 times with a 1911". They'll say, "The victim was shot 3 times with a 45 caliber handgun." But if the perpetrator was caught with a Glock, then it's "The victim was shot three times with a Glock!" - without even mentioning the caliber - as if somehow the fact that the bullet came out of a sinister Glock made it more deadly than a normal bullet from a normal gun.
BloodyBucket03
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Not Overated!!
I owned a glock for a few years until I sold it for an Hk. Both handguns are the best handguns I have ever fired and owned. I could agree with the majority of the people who posted that they think they are a bit pricey but does your life come with a price? If you want a reliable gun that you could depend on every time both these companies make an excellent pistol. Overated I think not!
I owned a glock for a few years until I sold it for an Hk. Both handguns are the best handguns I have ever fired and owned. I could agree with the majority of the people who posted that they think they are a bit pricey but does your life come with a price? If you want a reliable gun that you could depend on every time both these companies make an excellent pistol. Overated I think not!
Zeke Menuar
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Glock.
I think Glocks are overrated as a gun and underrated as shrapnel
And 1911's.
ZM
I think Glocks are overrated as a gun and underrated as shrapnel
And 1911's.
ZM
MCgunner
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So, you had a barrel obstruction and blew up your glock and it's the gun's fault?????
A picture of a blown up gun does nothing for me without the truth behind it. I can blow ANY gun up if I really want to.
I don't own a glock and don't care much for "safe action" triggers, but I cannot deny they work right out of the box, 100%, and are accurate. These are improvments over the 1911s I've experienced.
I'm sure they're quite good guns, but my Rugers have been 100% reliable, accurate, and rugged, and cost a fraction of those guns. I'll put my P90 against any HK for function. You don't have to spend the retirement to get a gun that can be relied upon, no matter what your life is worth.
I can't say the HK or Glock or Sig are "over-rated", over-priced, sure, but not over-rated. Over-rated implies they don't perform to expectation. Most Euro guns are over-priced, except the CZs. I wouldn't mind owning a CZ, nice guns at good prices. The CZ75 is a bit of a classic already, too.
A picture of a blown up gun does nothing for me without the truth behind it. I can blow ANY gun up if I really want to.
I don't own a glock and don't care much for "safe action" triggers, but I cannot deny they work right out of the box, 100%, and are accurate. These are improvments over the 1911s I've experienced.
I'm sure they're quite good guns, but my Rugers have been 100% reliable, accurate, and rugged, and cost a fraction of those guns. I'll put my P90 against any HK for function. You don't have to spend the retirement to get a gun that can be relied upon, no matter what your life is worth.
I can't say the HK or Glock or Sig are "over-rated", over-priced, sure, but not over-rated. Over-rated implies they don't perform to expectation. Most Euro guns are over-priced, except the CZs. I wouldn't mind owning a CZ, nice guns at good prices. The CZ75 is a bit of a classic already, too.
Zeke Menuar
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Another Glock apologist. What's up with that? Glock owners have to sign an loyalty oath when you buy one?
It's the Internet pal. I am entitled to my opinion.
I have a chunk of Glock in my left leg because someone elses G23 fired factory ammo out of battery. So when the Glopsters come out of the woodwork to defend the almighty Glock, I politely point out to them that their Glock has been surpassed in engineering and safety. Glocks have probably done more damage to the owners than to bad guys.
So you're right. A photo doesn't mean anything. Does a cop's duty gun blowing up two stalls down from me with duty ammo mean anything? Glock perfection my (insert expleteive here!).
This is my opinion. Your opinion may vary.
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I'm not going to try to say that Glocks are perfect. You've had a bad run-in with a gun. Yet you cannot deam an entire line of pistols unworthy by a couple of bad apples. If that is how you think, then many other pistol types can easily be attacked. I've seen all types of guns have problems, you can't really escape that. Sometimes you get lemons from the factory, sometimes it's bad ammo, sometimes it's stupidity on the owner's part. If we all thought like this, then what would be the condition of the AR15 line of rifles? Don't most people think they are notorious for jamming and being dirty? This doesn't apply to all weapons, however. Yet for some, a single malfunction with a single gun will change their opinion about an entire line.
That being said, I am going to buy a Glock 20, only because I don't want to deal with EAA.
That being said, I am going to buy a Glock 20, only because I don't want to deal with EAA.
Blacklabman
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We all have our likes and dislikes.
I own 5 Glocks(along with other brands) and use them for USPSA(Master Class) SD/CCW, and use the 10mm(G20) for hog and deer hunting. Thousands of rounds downrange, and not one KB. Imagine that.
I have seen more KB's over the years from Sig's and H&K's than any other brand's. 99% of the time it has not been the fault of the pistols, but the blundering Tools shooting them using hot reloads. I really like the the 1911, and consider it one of the best semi-auto pistols designs ever made. A Les Baer TRS, is shooting heaven
The most overrated handgun? I would add overpriced.
H&K USP
A tupperware party pistol, that comes with a manual safety. For this, you get to pay $825 + tax. The thing is, they are not anymore accurate or reliable than other brands of bottom feeders.
I own 5 Glocks(along with other brands) and use them for USPSA(Master Class) SD/CCW, and use the 10mm(G20) for hog and deer hunting. Thousands of rounds downrange, and not one KB. Imagine that.
I have seen more KB's over the years from Sig's and H&K's than any other brand's. 99% of the time it has not been the fault of the pistols, but the blundering Tools shooting them using hot reloads. I really like the the 1911, and consider it one of the best semi-auto pistols designs ever made. A Les Baer TRS, is shooting heaven
The most overrated handgun? I would add overpriced.
H&K USP
A tupperware party pistol, that comes with a manual safety. For this, you get to pay $825 + tax. The thing is, they are not anymore accurate or reliable than other brands of bottom feeders.
MCgunner
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The pix look like a guy I witnessed who blew up his 1911. Wasn't the guns fault, he fired, it went "pop", he racked the slide, I shouted "NOOOOOOOOO>>>>" KABOOM! It damaged his shooting hand and he had to go to the emergency room. He'd fired a round, reload, what apparently didn't have a charge of powder in it, then jacked in a new round in a rush and capped it with a bullet stuck in the barrel. He paid for the mistake. There was one other guy on the line with him, a two shooter shoot off on pepper poppers. He, fortunately, wasn't hurt.
Stuff happens and Glocks and 1911s are about the most populous firearms on the shooting line, very popular. Stands to reason stuff is going to happen to them more often. But, hey, everyone's entitled to their opinion, pal. Like I say, I don't own any Glocks. I don't like "safe action". I've seen a lot of problem free shots fired down range with 'em, though. They're very popular in the IDPA service pistol class. I'm just leary of the safety of "safe action". I can see ADs there if used for CCW. I prefer a longer travel true DA trigger.
Now, this cop's duty weapon definitely had a problem. I will add this to my personal log of Glock information. Perhaps there's a design flaw with that striker and disconnecter???? I don't know. I'll have to ask around about that one. I'd like to know exactly why that gun fired out of battery. I will say, a gun with a hammer has an extra bit of safety to rely on in this regard. A hammer, even if the disconnecter allows the hammer to fall out of battery, will run afoul of the slide before it contacts the firing pin. one strike against striker fired guns, eh? Hadn't really thought of this, before.
I used to have strong opinions on guns, I used to believe that this was better than that and mine was the best. A firearm, especially a pistol, is a very personal choice. I have come to realize that there is no right on wrong, it's what you feel most comfortable with. When I started shooting pistols my first was a Walther P99. I put 3,000 rounds through it and sold it. Today I carry a 1911. Why? Because it works the best for me. I have had great success with the design but I don't buy cheap 1911's. For me it's the best but I know the limitations of the design. I hate the low capacity but I have never felt a trigger as nice.
I have friends that shoot Sig's, HK's, and Glock's. I can't stand the feel of Sig's or HK's. Does that make them bad, definitely not, just not right for me. With all that in mind, is there really such thing as an over hyped gun? I don't think so. I think there are some guns that work well for a lot of people. Unfortunately, many of those people want to impress their joy of the "right" gun on others. In the end I'm going to trust my life to something that works the best for me. If others feel the same way great. If not, I hope they feel equally secure in their own choice.
I have friends that shoot Sig's, HK's, and Glock's. I can't stand the feel of Sig's or HK's. Does that make them bad, definitely not, just not right for me. With all that in mind, is there really such thing as an over hyped gun? I don't think so. I think there are some guns that work well for a lot of people. Unfortunately, many of those people want to impress their joy of the "right" gun on others. In the end I'm going to trust my life to something that works the best for me. If others feel the same way great. If not, I hope they feel equally secure in their own choice.
The Grand Inquisitor
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I'm not big on Glocks, but I couldn't fathom paying the kind of prices that Colt or S&W ask for their revolvers. My Taurus in .357/.38spc does everything at 1/3rd the price.
I'll also second Kimber - I really like their new Desert Warrior 1911, but the MSRP is $1899 - which is the exact same price as a new PS90, or TWO M1A's, or just about any other rifle. Hell, you can almost get an AUG for that much.
Also, I've wanted a FiveSeveN since they came out, but the prices are just way too much for a tiny little round that only does slightly better than 9mm.
I'll also through Para Ord's name out there as well, not because they are low quality, but because they charge so damned much. I really like their 14 45, but at well over 1K, it's just too much for that firearm.
Lastly, while Ruger makes very good revolver, I'd don't care much for any of their auto-loaders. While they've changed the design of the various models from gangly and ugly to not as ugly, nothing about any Ruger autoloader interestd me in the slightest (also, I wouldn't buy from an anti-shooter scumbag like Bill Ruger who is always willing to throw his customers under the wheel in order to gain some political favor).
I'll also second Kimber - I really like their new Desert Warrior 1911, but the MSRP is $1899 - which is the exact same price as a new PS90, or TWO M1A's, or just about any other rifle. Hell, you can almost get an AUG for that much.
Also, I've wanted a FiveSeveN since they came out, but the prices are just way too much for a tiny little round that only does slightly better than 9mm.
I'll also through Para Ord's name out there as well, not because they are low quality, but because they charge so damned much. I really like their 14 45, but at well over 1K, it's just too much for that firearm.
Lastly, while Ruger makes very good revolver, I'd don't care much for any of their auto-loaders. While they've changed the design of the various models from gangly and ugly to not as ugly, nothing about any Ruger autoloader interestd me in the slightest (also, I wouldn't buy from an anti-shooter scumbag like Bill Ruger who is always willing to throw his customers under the wheel in order to gain some political favor).
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Starter52
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I have to agree that the PPK is a much-overrated gun. The PP is a better choice.
And pistol gripped shotguns. Hate 'em. Worthless except as bling.
And the Python. Love the looks, but no matter which grips I put on it I can't love the gun.
And pistol gripped shotguns. Hate 'em. Worthless except as bling.
And the Python. Love the looks, but no matter which grips I put on it I can't love the gun.
Davo
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Walther PPK
Expensive, and of indifferent reliability.
Expensive, and of indifferent reliability.
Plainmark
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I feel like....
a lion in a den of Daniels!
I have owned CZ and Springfield and PAra Ordnance and cannot say enough good things about them. CZ40B was a 1911 style .40 S&W, Springfield was a compact SA and my Para is an 14-45 LDA. All of the above had some issues, but the FUN is to LEARN how to attend to the problems myself.. and then go outshoot somebody who has a "normally functioning" weapon.
My only experience with an overrated piece was a Desert Eagle.. just because I hated the recoil.. but then, who in their right mind one-hands a .50 AE! ?
Plain
a lion in a den of Daniels!
I have owned CZ and Springfield and PAra Ordnance and cannot say enough good things about them. CZ40B was a 1911 style .40 S&W, Springfield was a compact SA and my Para is an 14-45 LDA. All of the above had some issues, but the FUN is to LEARN how to attend to the problems myself.. and then go outshoot somebody who has a "normally functioning" weapon.
My only experience with an overrated piece was a Desert Eagle.. just because I hated the recoil.. but then, who in their right mind one-hands a .50 AE! ?
Plain
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I have Colts and I have Ubertis. There's a world of difference in the quality between the two.
Admittedly the Colts are overpriced... but they sure are not the same guns that Uberti is selling for $400.
Rob Rocket
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1911's, Sig, HK all due to high pricing...
Interesting a guy at the range sold his expensive kimber 1911 because he had bought a Rock Island $300.00 1911 that shot better and was more reliable that his high dollar one...
Why should a Sig or HK cost so much more than a Glock, XD or CZ??
Interesting a guy at the range sold his expensive kimber 1911 because he had bought a Rock Island $300.00 1911 that shot better and was more reliable that his high dollar one...
Why should a Sig or HK cost so much more than a Glock, XD or CZ??
Jkwas
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Kahr, Good gun I guess, but I just don't see where they are worth that kind of money for what they are.
Clipper
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Without a doubt...
...Glock.
...Glock.
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